Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

[Adam Sandler]

That's identity theft, sir.

Pipe down Lloyd.

 

[VolMike16]

If their current head coach is out for two years, that’s much more significant.

Which he's not. Nothing about this is damaging without vacated wins/scholarship reductions. Show causes mean nothing for a guy that had the NFL to fall back on who left his Alma mater in the process. What a joke

 

[Adam2014]

 

[tnhunter 10]

show-cause has no real effect on Harbaugh....how about a few million dollar fine out of his pocket and permanent ban from NCAA

GROK: Since Harbaugh is established in the NFL with a lucrative contract and no indication of returning to college football, the show-cause penalty is largely symbolic in his case.

lol how does one get suspended for games 3 and 4? Should it not be games 1 and 2. If you're picking and choosing, is it really a punishment

 

[Hardy]

lol how does one get suspended for games 3 and 4? Should it not be games 1 and 2. If you're picking and choosing, is it really a punishment

And the third suspension is in 2026.

 

[Adam2014]

 

[rltw1974]

The disconnect between the summary of infractions and the punishment is so comically not even close that yes it's more than likely other things and Influences were at play here......good chance some pockets got filled or other high influence stepped in to sway COI members on the punishment aspect. IMO the NCAA was harsher on us and we cooperated.

Off-campus, in-person scouting scheme​

The majority of the violations in this case relate to Stalions' orchestration of an impermissible scouting scheme. During the 2021, 2022 and 2023 football seasons, Stalions directed and arranged for individuals to conduct off-campus, in-person scouting of Michigan's future regular-season opponents. In doing so, Stalions purchased game tickets and transferred them to those individuals, who included another staff member, interns and acquaintances of Stalions. The network of individuals was referred to as the "KGB." While in attendance, they filmed the signal callers on the future opponents' sidelines and then provided that film to Stalions. Using the footage they collected — which Stalions referred to as "dirty film" — Stalions then deciphered opponents' signals. Stalions and other individuals involved in the scheme acknowledged or corroborated this process. Additionally, on one occasion, Stalions personally attended a future opponent's contest. In total, 56 instances of off-campus, in-person scouting of 13 future regular- season opponents occurred across 52 contests. Stalions' conduct resulted in a collective Level I violation of the impermissible scouting rule that expressly prohibits off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents.

By his own admission, Stalions expended significant resources and effort to plan the scheme, spending nearly $35,000 on tickets in 2022 alone. Through the scheme, Stalions collected, deciphered and documented thousands of signals for use by other staff members. Record materials demonstrated that Stalions had access to prominent coaching staff members, who he stood next to during football games. Once information became public, Stalions also went to significant lengths to attempt to conceal his efforts. Those actions are accounted for by his failure to cooperate violations. The panel noted that "the true scope and scale of the scheme — including the competitive advantage it conferred—will never be known due to individuals' intentional destruction and withholding of materials and information." The panel went on to note that while the scope may never be known, the intent of the scheme was to gain a competitive advantage over competitors, stating, "Regardless of whether it was Stalions or someone acting on his behalf, their physical presence at the game essentially gave them front-row seats to a key element of opponents' offensive and defensive strategies."

Failure to cooperate​

Throughout the investigation, Stalions, Harbaugh, Moore and former director of player personnel Denard Robinson each failed to meet the membership's expectations of cooperation. Their conduct ranged from destroying relevant materials to providing false and misleading information during interviews — including Stalions instructing an intern to "clear out" emails, photos, texts and videos related to the scouting scheme. The intern complied and then instructed a friend, who attended and recorded three games as part of the scheme, to do the same. During the hearing, Stalions stated that he did not recall telling them to delete any information.

Stalions also admitted during the hearing that he disposed of his phone in a pond. In a recorded phone call, Stalions said his film was also at the bottom of a pond. Additionally, throughout the investigation, Stalions violated confidentiality requirements, disclosing information related to the investigation to the public. The panel stated, "In short, Stalions' multiple and repeated failures to cooperate are some of the worst the COI has ever seen."

Additionally, following Oct. 19, 2023, media reports of Stalions' scheme, Moore deleted his entire 52-message text thread with Stalions off his personal phone. The following day, Moore deleted from his school-issued phone a single text that was part of a broader thread that referenced Stalions standing by Moore during a game. When questioned by the enforcement staff, Moore initially blamed the deleted messages on storage space, although he eventually admitted to deleting them as a reaction to the news.

Harbaugh failed to cooperate by refusing to provide necessary records or participating in an interview with the enforcement staff."

Overwhelming evidence shows impermissible scouting scheme in Michigan football program - NCAA.org

 

[tnhunter 10]

So, Michigan basically gets off with a slap on the wrist,, to no one’s surprise. $20 million fine for a program that can find that in their couch cushions? And in exchange they won a natty and didn’t have a single game vacated?

Agreed with a poster earlier who said with this type of punishment, every single team should be cheating to win. So dumb but totally expected.

Western Michigan will get the punishment.

 

[knoxvol52]

If their current head coach is out for two years, that’s much more significant.

Edit: He’s not prohibited from coaching during the show-cause? Then why did they even issue it?

Sherione can coach but will be under the microscope from NCAA. Usually when the HC gets a show cause the University fires that individual, we will see.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Just a tough reminder that you can't believe everything that you see on the internet

 

[CAVPUT]

Lol TN fans

Well, to be fair, none of the current WRs have done much of anything plus they've been on the shelf for most of the fall...and some spring work as well? Right now they've proven and accomplished very little....social media posts not withstanding.

 

[Jimmy Football]

You can’t hate the NCAA enough.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Brame gonna be special

they dont ever talk ab freshman TEs and WRs like this. “Hes gonna be part of our plan this fall”

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Well, to be fair, none of the current WRs have done much of anything plus they've been on the shelf for most of the fall...and some spring work as well? Right now they've proven and accomplished very little....social media posts not withstanding.

Kids are allowed to get better

Esp when they are just starting their sophomore yr fall camp

 

[franklinpence]

Lally came in 2023 and Hadden was Heupel. Came in 2021.

And thought Ricky was trans? c'mon Mayne.

Wait, what??

 

[Dooby15]

Ainge talkin a boot the scrimmage right now.

Brame he says will be a household name.

Said Aguilar looked good. Calm, poised, didn't miss any wide open ones. Missed a couple passes that were incomplete, but not terrible misses. He didn't do anything that was terrible and didn't do anything that made him go "omg amazing"

Very physical and big at the LOS.

They were doing season predictions and said they looked like a 9-3 10-2 football team.

Aguilar comments sound like Nico analysis from last year. I still can’t help but think he can at least repeat Nico’s production from last year.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

 

[Adam Sandler]

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I think we are the home team vs Cuse? If so, with MSU announcing their whiteout, we could be in home orange until Bama. I wish we'd come out with home orange on in Tuscaloosa too

Would be awesome. 15 yard penalty to start each half is rough, at your biggest rival is a tough pill just to wear orange.

 

[UTvol1fn]

Question: considering the new NCAA precedent set for opponent espionage, aside from honor, is there any reason not to be doing this?

Depends how much you want to pay in fines. This is precedent for any team to do whatever it takes to win.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Brooks is fired up.

Brooks making too much sense.

 

[Brillovol]

Big if true

Classic.

 

[Brillovol]

Lions are in my sh*t list right now.

I’m a Packers fan. They’re always on mine.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Aguilar comments sound like Nico analysis from last year. I still can’t help but think he can at least repeat Nico’s production from last year.

I think that's the floor. Hit the deep ones!

 

[DD4ME]

OK I want all the second scrimmage rumors and notes.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Aguilar comments sound like Nico analysis from last year. I still can’t help but think he can at least repeat Nico’s production from last year.

Heupel trying to keep the genie in a bottle on how good Aguilar actually looks.