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#4,931
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great, a new screenname just posting randumb stuff to get his post count up so he can create a thread
 
#4,936
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Glad to see a few spots open up on the roster so Butch can get a few more of his guys in this year. I think we have a great shot at North since CP is leaving along with Hunter. As much as I would like a few more offensive weapons, I'm more concerned about building a stellar D. Obviously Dooley didn't know how to develop talent. The morale was suffocated. CBJ is Reviving Big Orange Nation, and it's going to taste sweet when we rise back up!
 
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Tennbigcountry said:
Glad to see a few spots open up on the roster so Butch can get a few more of his guys in this year. I think we have a great shot at North since CP is leaving along with Hunter. As much as I would like a few more offensive weapons, I'm more concerned about building a stellar D. Obviously Dooley didn't know how to develop talent. The morale was suffocated. CBJ is Reviving Big Orange Nation, and it's going to taste sweet when we rise back up!
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Dang man keep it to one thread ha
 
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I’ll never understand the mentality of being happy you just got rid of somebody talented looking forward to bringing in somebody younger and less experienced. Losing those guys hurts the team.

And the thought that a single running back is going to completely change the fortunes of the team? Makes no sense to me. Good grief, the best player to come out of high school in years, Jadaveon Clowney, didn’t even start last year. That’s what happens when you have good players on your team.

How it works is you get good players, you coach them up, then they grow and develop, and hopefully you win some games along the way. Insta-starters are very rare ON GOOD TEAMS. Starting a true freshman at safety for every year since 2009 is indicative of a very, very bad thing.

The 2008 and 2009 classes provided very little in the way of anything other than headaches. It’s taken three years just to get to the point where you don’t have to go find a bunch of high school kids to come in and start all over the place. Or that you don’t have to fill a bunch of positions with JUCOs you hope will qualify. The roster’s now in a state where incoming prospects aren’t worried you’ll never win a game.

Am I saying we’re gonna crush Alabama next year? Probably not. But you can’t really compare the roster was in January of 2010 to what it is in January of 2013 without thinking that somebody got something right.
 
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Hey Punk, those 3 were talented headcases. Distractions hurt the team, we dont need that. A thief, an alleged "class skipper", and mommas boy does absolutely nothing for us.
 
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Tennessee is going to pull a few surprises down the stretch. Butch Jones is a good coach, Tommy Thigpen is a great recruiter and the support staff just put in place is impressive. Look for at least a couple of four-star prospects committed elsewhere or uncommitted to sign with the Vols come Feb. 6. Wide receiver Ryan Jenkins is a three-star, but he's a good example of what the staff could do down the stretch.
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-Mike Farrell

Rivals.com Football Recruiting - Mind of Mike: No predicting the unpredictable
 
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tim said:
Hey Punk, those 3 were talented headcases. Distractions hurt the team, we dont need that. A thief, an alleged "class skipper", and mommas boy does absolutely nothing for us.
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Yeah, you can have all the talent in the world (Da'Rick, Bray), but if you don't have good team chemistry, you will lose a lot of games. Now, I hope Coach Jones has a good clean slate to build on. Sure, the loss of talent and experience hurts, but it was probably necessary.

We do need a few difference-makers, but we need a whole team ready to go to war, too. I think we can have that now.
 
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d3ft punk said:
I’ll never understand the mentality of being happy you just got rid of somebody talented looking forward to bringing in somebody younger and less experienced. Losing those guys hurts the team.

And the thought that a single running back is going to completely change the fortunes of the team? Makes no sense to me. Good grief, the best player to come out of high school in years, Jadaveon Clowney, didn’t even start last year. That’s what happens when you have good players on your team.

How it works is you get good players, you coach them up, then they grow and develop, and hopefully you win some games along the way. Insta-starters are very rare ON GOOD TEAMS. Starting a true freshman at safety for every year since 2009 is indicative of a very, very bad thing.

The 2008 and 2009 classes provided very little in the way of anything other than headaches. It’s taken three years just to get to the point where you don’t have to go find a bunch of high school kids to come in and start all over the place. Or that you don’t have to fill a bunch of positions with JUCOs you hope will qualify. The roster’s now in a state where incoming prospects aren’t worried you’ll never win a game.

Am I saying we’re gonna crush Alabama next year? Probably not. But you can’t really compare the roster was in January of 2010 to what it is in January of 2013 without thinking that somebody got something right.
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i agree with your overall point definitely - we didnt get better with those 3 off the team

that being said DD never really recruited 2 of the 3 - they were high talent suspect character guys committed elsewhere that fell in our lap due to issues at their committed school - we had spots open, didnt have to boot anyone from the team, so why not take them and see if by some miracle it panned out

when they then prove to not have the character/willingness to stay on board should be no surprise that they move on

so am i happy, no

am i surprised, not in the least
 
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Bubba Miller paused, tried to remember when so many former Tennessee Volunteers living in the greater Nashville area had convened.


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Bubba Miller was impressed with the visit from Jones and his staff.
He couldn't. And certainly not because a Tennessee football coach had made the requisite effort to spearhead an event for Vols to meet and watch a game. Until new Tennessee coach Butch Jones did exactly that Monday night in downtown Nashville, reaching out and getting help from many to organize a viewing party of the BCS Championship.

"I was very impressed with him and his staff. And also I was just very touched by the fact that they reached out to so many guys in this area," said Miller, a former All-SEC offensive lineman and NFL veteran. "Seems like it's been a long time since anybody had done that. Honestly, I don't ever really remember anybody putting together an event like that to watch game."

That's what Jones and his staff, in Nashville anyway for the AFCA coaches' convention, did. It wasn't merely the Vols' new leader, hired Dec. 7, 2012, and a couple others who attended, either; UT's entire coaching staff, except for one assistant coach whose wife was ill, and several additional members of the Vols' weight room staff, support staff and more were on hand with approximately 50 former players to watch Alabama dismantle Notre Dame for the SEC's seventh-straight national crown. Numerous former players, from Mose Phillips to Eric Westmoreland to Chad Clifton to Tracy Haworth and many others, were in attendance. Brad Lampley and Carl Johnson also were key former Vols instrumental in the event.

"I think it meant a lot. It also meant a lot that he thought enough to bring his entire staff as well. He didn't bring his offensive coordinator and maybe his secondary coach. The entire staff was there," said former All-SEC wideout Joey Kent. "They were so welcoming to us as well. All of the coaches were walking up, introducing themselves and asking what years did you play. A lot of coaches knew our story. They new the years we played in and knew some of the games. It was great. We were telling them our stories and it helps them learn the tradition of Tennessee as well.

"I was talking to the offensive coordinator (Mike Bajakian) and he said he was on one of his recruiting trips and he just took a media guide with him and thumbed through all the records just to get himself familiar with the traditions of Tennessee. He said he was so impressed with all the records that have been achieved and to just put a face with a name and meet some of the guys who are in the book and have the records was great."

No area in Tennessee has surged in population comparable to the growth in the Midstate area, and the former Vols talked candidly about the need to reestablish Tennessee's presence in and around the Music City.

"It was very much needed. You have other SEC schools that have had as much or more influence on local prospects as Tennessee. That's a dangerous combination. Not only are you not getting some of those guys, but they're playing for your competition," said former Vols defensive back Buck Fitzgerald, a key role model for Nashville youth through his work with the In Full Motion program his family anchors. "Nashville, for me, is the most important area in the state. It's growing like crazy. And prospects are getting better and better. We've had national prospects the last four or five years, at least one, and next year there will be multiple big-time prospects. It's an area that's producing high-star talent."

Added Miller, "Desperately [needed this kind of event]. We've lost a lot of footing here with recruiting. We've lost a lot of the cohesiveness here amongst guys who do live in this area and this is a very integral part of the program, the Midstate is. The thing that most impressed me was the turnout. From my era on and guys who played in the '60s and '70s. A lot of guys I haven't seen in a long time who I know have not been real plugged in to Tennessee football."

Kent praised the event as opportunity to share stories with his "brothers" of Tennessee football through the decades.


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Joey Kent feels Monday night's relaxed gathering was much needed.
"It was awesome because it was a relaxed event. The national championship game was on and to have a chance to sit down and I talked to some players who played in the '60s and '70s, to get to hear their stories and to share your stories. The coaches were very relaxed. They were coming up to players listening and introducing themselves," Kent said. "It was a good event for the coaches to reach out to us, the letterman to let us know we are a part of the program. That's one of the good things coach Jones said. He said that we are a part of the program. We built it and that he welcomes us all whether you played all four years. You played two years. It doesn't matter if you were a walk-on or you played 10 years in the NFL, you are all a part of the family. And he said he wanted us back any time we wanted to come back. He said just come. He wants that family atmosphere again at Tennessee.

"I talked to several guys (Tuesday) and they loved it. I didn't know that many guys were in and around Nashville. I know my guys who I keep in regular contact with, but to have that many people to show up and to rub elbows with guys who played 10 to 20 years before you, it was just awesome to have that camaraderie with our UT brothers."

Fitzgerald, like Miller, noted how Jones' entire staff was present and also praised the Vols' new skipper for his earnest approach.

'The get-together was really good. Coach Jones is just really down to earth and so I think that he's going to understand what needs be done and the most important thing is he's trying to gather info and ask the right questions to get things done," said the Nashville native Fitzgerald. "Especially with the assistant coaches, it's really important getting to know those guys and getting a chance to know those guys.

"Coach Jones is as genuine as any head coach I've been around."

Miller, a long-time mentor for current Vols offensive linemen Antonio 'Tiny' Richardson and James Stone, said those attributes didn't stop with the head coach after visiting with new line coach Don Mahoney.

"Coach Mahoney and I had a very nice talk," Miller said. "It appears he's going to coach the offensive line the way we're used to seeing Tennessee lines play. It's thrilling to see."
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I have heard a lot of people wondering what we are going to do about the LB position and maybe some more WR depth. I personally think CBJ is finding as many fast athletes as possible that can fill multiple roles. He will evaluate them in camp then he wil determine where they will play. I think our depth will be fine, but would still like to land North and Grace...to help things out...Do you all agree?
 
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