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I'm tired of rebuilds, if CJP is gone then no more projects or up and comers...

-Herman, Malzahn, Campbell, 12million Urban (no order) or Peterson, save recruiting and continue to build depth off the current roster
-IMO, Freeze is forever banned from the SEC
-if we have to go the project route then its Fickell or Napier, not sure they will be able to recruit a Top 10 2022 class

Marrone for HC, no way, OL yes
 
Someone give me the rundown on Marrone. That seems where this is heading. Pros? Cons? What's up there? I know he had a good year in the NFL.
Marrone would be like us hiring Sam Pittman with much more head coaching experience. Idk if we would make a playoff with him but We definitely wouldn’t be 3-7 with some of the losses we’ve had. I can promise you that. Players love him and run through a wall for him.
 
I was being sarcastic about Pruitt but cry me a d$mn river..... other programs are more worried about winning instead of their feelings.
Agreed. But Pruitt isn’t winning either. Saban can get by treating people like crap. Pruitt isn’t Saban.
 
Pulled this from VQ from a guy who is quoting the athletic. We have everything that we need to be successful except a good HC. There is nothing holding us back except that. We have everything at TN that every other top team has.

Much of this pulled from the outstanding article in The Athletic by David Ubben found here: https://theathletic.com/2303984/202...y-pruitt-football/?source=user_shared_article
Bottom line: Tennessee is in the top 5 in the nation for commitment level but nowhere near there in terms of results and return on the investment.
  • Pruitt requested and received a third full-length practice field for the complex ~$667,000
  • Pruitt/Fitzgerald received ~$660,000 to renovate the weight room
  • Tennessee has been 1 of only 5 schools in the country with two $1 million coordinators
  • In 2020, Tennessee's assistant coaching pool ranked 8th in country in total $ spent
  • Tennessee's total football staff has increased from 48 to 71 people since Pruitt got here
  • Tennessee had more than $58 million in football expenses in 2018 and more than $51 million in 2017, according to the most recent data from the Knight Commission. In both years, Alabama was the only FBS program with higher expenses.
Putting aside 45-5 in the 90s, putting aside 102,455 showing up every Saturday, putting aside General Neyland, Johnny Majors and the rich history of football success on the Hill ....
These commitment figures are why Taxslayer Bowl wins are not enough.
These commitment figures are why losses to Georgia State, BYU, Kentucky, Arkansas are unacceptable.
These commitment figures are why 3-7 in year 3 should cost you your job.

No one should say that our administration doesn't care or isn't bought in. We are. They are giving the money. They just need to make a good hire. Billy Napier wants exactly what is written above. He wants to be able to have the resources he needs to win. We'll give him that and he will win. Or someone like that. We should be able to hire whoever we want.
 
Pulled this from VQ from a guy who is quoting the athletic. We have everything that we need to be successful except a good HC. There is nothing holding us back except that. We have everything at TN that every other top team has.

Much of this pulled from the outstanding article in The Athletic by David Ubben found here: https://theathletic.com/2303984/202...y-pruitt-football/?source=user_shared_article
Bottom line: Tennessee is in the top 5 in the nation for commitment level but nowhere near there in terms of results and return on the investment.
  • Pruitt requested and received a third full-length practice field for the complex ~$667,000
  • Pruitt/Fitzgerald received ~$660,000 to renovate the weight room
  • Tennessee has been 1 of only 5 schools in the country with two $1 million coordinators
  • In 2020, Tennessee's assistant coaching pool ranked 8th in country in total $ spent
  • Tennessee's total football staff has increased from 48 to 71 people since Pruitt got here
  • Tennessee had more than $58 million in football expenses in 2018 and more than $51 million in 2017, according to the most recent data from the Knight Commission. In both years, Alabama was the only FBS program with higher expenses.
Putting aside 45-5 in the 90s, putting aside 102,455 showing up every Saturday, putting aside General Neyland, Johnny Majors and the rich history of football success on the Hill ....
These commitment figures are why Taxslayer Bowl wins are not enough.
These commitment figures are why losses to Georgia State, BYU, Kentucky, Arkansas are unacceptable.
These commitment figures are why 3-7 in year 3 should cost you your job.

No one should say that our administration doesn't care or isn't bought in. We are. They are giving the money. They just need to make a good hire. Billy Napier wants exactly what is written above. He wants to be able to have the resources he needs to win. We'll give him that and he will win. Or someone like that. We should be able to hire whoever we want.
Feel like I’ve heard someone on here explain this a time or two 🤔🤔🤔

Ubben reads VN.
 
Marrone would be like us hiring Sam Pittman with much more head coaching experience. Idk if we would make a playoff with him but We definitely wouldn’t be 3-7 with some of the losses we’ve had. I can promise you that. Players love him and run through a wall for him.
Marrone is a Herm Edwards hire.

It's not sexy, but if you can get a legitimate NFL head coach to coach your college program, it usually helps you recruit because players know the guys he has coached. It will also help build a staff full of legitimately good football coaches instead of Shelton Felton and Brian Neidermeyer who are nothing more than glorified bag men.
 
Marrone would be like us hiring Sam Pittman with much more head coaching experience. Idk if we would make a playoff with him but We definitely wouldn’t be 3-7 with some of the losses we’ve had. I can promise you that. Players love him and run through a wall for him.
Napier >
 
For those of you that think all of this will be better for us in the long run as long as Pruitt is let go, have very short memories. This is Tennessee. We are not going to get a slap on the wrist. The NCAA will bring their big hammers against us to show Alabama, Georgia and Florida just how serious they are about compliance.
Tennessee knows where the bodies are buried, not saying UT is untouchable but the NCAA/ SEC doesn't want to go down that rabbit hole.
 
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For those of you that think all of this will be better for us in the long run as long as Pruitt is let go, have very short memories. This is Tennessee. We are not going to get a slap on the wrist. The NCAA will bring their big hammers against us to show Alabama, Georgia and Florida just how serious they are about compliance.
We generate too much revenue for the NCAA to nuke our program. That would never happen.
 
Name an example we didn’t protect a player where we should have. And don’t say Jeremy Banks or Kivon Bennet.
I was being sarcastic about Pruitt but it has been an issue since dickey..... things are handled differently by other programs..... this investigation is a prime example..... we lose Bruce pearl over a barbacue..... auburn pays cam newton 250,000 and get a national championship....!we have guys being held out to concentrate on academics..... George Pickens dominates his bowl game.
 
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I will say that Jacksonville played hard with limited talent this year. As a sports bettor, I noticed how they almost always outplayed the spread. Had very close losses against the Packers and against the Colts fighting for a playoff spot last weekend. Marrone is not my favorite candidate, but I'd be interested to see what he can do.

My biggest concern with him is recruiting ability. I don't believe that Tennessee recruits itself. Yes, we'll likely never be outside the top 40 by default, but in order for us to reach our past heights, we need top 10 classes every year and top 5 classes every now and then. Look at Georgia. It's about the Jimmys and Joes not the Xs and Os.
 
I like him. Theres literally 10 candidates that i would take today and drive the bus for.
I mean I would be fine with any on the list. I'd be more excited for others, but I'd be behind these hires because they feel like an obvious upgrade:

Freeze
Napier
Fickell
Herman
Gus
O'Brien
Marrone
 
Marrone is a Herm Edwards hire.

It's not sexy, but if you can get a legitimate NFL head coach to coach your college program, it usually helps you recruit because players know the guys he has coached. It will also help build a staff full of legitimately good football coaches instead of Shelton Felton and Brian Neidermeyer who are nothing more than glorified bag men.

I personally thought Herm was a good hire for AZ St. his personality fits well in college game and people love to play for and work with Herm. I didn’t understand when people laughed at that hire.
 
I'm tired of rebuilds, if CJP is gone then no more projects or up and comers...

-Herman, Malzahn, Campbell, 12million Urban (no order) or Peterson, save recruiting and continue to build depth off the current roster
-IMO, Freeze is forever banned from the SEC
-if we have to go the project route then its Fickell or Napier, not sure they will be able to recruit a Top 10 2022 class

Marrone for HC, no way, OL yes
Peterson would #1
 
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