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I still believe he's gone at 3-7 with blow out losses to Florida and A&M. I respect what the insiders are saying, but it's easier to say that now before those beat downs take place. This is going to continue to get worse through fan apathy, decommitments, and tension between the staff. And I expect more Power 5 jobs to open up which will just apply more pressure on the admin to make a change.
 
I’m not praising him. I’m very disappointed in his coaching the last 4.5 games. But I am a realist. I know how things work. I know he will be our coach next year. Therefore I choose to support those men who are giving their all for Tennessee this year and next. Because to me that is the Volunteer way.
You don’t cut and run.
Cut and run, eh? We obviously don’t do that either. We have followed and supported this chicken crap that has been served to us for the past decade plus!! We still have the best fanbase in the world coming off of the worst decade anyone can remember for our program. And you think we cut and run? Come on, man! Take a lap.
 
Not meant as one of those “notice me on my way out” posts. But I really think we’re on the precipice of losing the only constant we’ve ever had - the fanbase.

Letting Pruitt flame out is such a stupid move.
This! I think our beloved program is on the brink of the fanbase finally saying “we have had enough”! We will only accept a filet mignon hire. Don’t hire another Chuck roast and tell us it’s a filet.
 
Okay okay okay....

Bear with me and let’s assume Pruitt isn’t replaced.

What would your priorities to fix this team? What assistants would you move around? What seniors would you try and talk into staying? Etc...


For me, in no particular order:

  • I’d look to move on from Weinke. Ty Simpson recruitment be damned. I mean, it’s hard for me to be too critical of him because JG is a bag of ****, Bailey missed the entire offseason, and Mauer was suicidal so doubt he was focusing on his craft. But as bag a ****** as JG is, he’s regressed. Shrout never has improved, etc. I’d look at Tee Martin as the natural replacement. Him or Long.
  • Id move Osovet to something other than TE coach. We’ve gotten nothing from the position all year, and it was fairly damning when Jacob Warren, during his media availability, pointed out how the tight ends had to teach Joe about the position. That ain’t good. Joe is a creative offensive mind and seems like a talented recruiter. He has a position on the staff - but Im not 100% sure what it is yet.
  • Niedermeyer has a background in defense, and I hate to judge him too harshly, but I’m not sure he needs to be coaching ILB’s. HT has regressed this year and neither Banks nor Crouch have improved.
  • I’d tell Len’Neth Whitehead that yeah, I know you want to play RB, but his path to the field is at LB. There was a lot of talk during his recruitment that his best position was LB. With Gray, Dee, Smalls, Hodge, and the incoming freshman - we have a log jam at running back. Meanwhile, outside of HT- we have nothing proven at LB. Some players have flashed, like Joseph, but for my money, LB is our biggest question mark going forward.
  • I’d thank Brandon Kennedy and most of the seniors for their service. Maybe ask Fant, Solomon, and Palmer to come back.
  • I’d tell Cooper Mays to spend the entire offseason working at center. And I’d sell Cade on the idea of playing side by side with his brother if he’s willing to return.
  • Id do my best to bring Tosh or Bo Davis in as DL coach.
  • Id scour the earth for a transfer quarterback. Darriel Mack, formerly of UCF, would be someone I would look closely at. Dual threat QB with a few years eligibility left. Played well against LSU a few years back. I’d encourage every QB not named Harrison Bailey or Kaiden Salter to “look around” this offseason.
  • Previously expressed my concern about linebackers so like above, I’d make finding a transfer linebacker or two a priority. Especially if someone has an ounce of pass rushing ability.

That’s all I have off the top of my head.
 
Okay okay okay....

Bear with me and let’s assume Pruitt isn’t replaced.

What would your priorities to fix this team? What assistants would you move around? What seniors would you try and talk into staying? Etc...


For me, in no particular order:

  • I’d look to move on from Weinke. Ty Simpson recruitment be damned. I mean, it’s hard for me to be too critical of him because JG is a bag of ****, Bailey missed the entire offseason, and Mauer was suicidal so doubt he was focusing on his craft. But as bag a ****** as JG is, he’s regressed. Shrout never has improved, etc. I’d look at Tee Martin as the natural replacement. Him or Long.
  • Id move Osovet to something other than TE coach. We’ve gotten nothing from the position all year, and it was fairly damning when Jacob Warren, during his media availability, pointed out how the tight ends had to teach Joe about the position. That ain’t good. Joe is a creative offensive mind and seems like a talented recruiter. He has a position on the staff - but Im not 100% sure what it is yet.
  • Niedermeyer has a background in defense, and I hate to judge him too harshly, but I’m not sure he needs to be coaching ILB’s. HT has regressed this year and neither Banks nor Crouch have improved.
  • I’d tell Len’Neth Whitehead that yeah, I know you want to play RB, but his path to the field is at LB. There was a lot of talk during his recruitment that his best position was LB. With Gray, Dee, Smalls, Hodge, and the incoming freshman - we have a log jam at running back. Meanwhile, outside of HT- we have nothing proven at LB. Some players have flashed, like Joseph, but for my money, LB is our biggest question mark going forward.
  • I’d thank Brandon Kennedy and most of the seniors for their service. Maybe ask Fant, Solomon, and Palmer to come back.
  • I’d tell Cooper Mays to spend the entire offseason working at center. And I’d sell Cade on the idea of playing side by side with his brother if he’s willing to return.
  • Id do my best to bring Tosh or Bo Davis in as DL coach.
  • Id scour the earth for a transfer quarterback. Darriel Mack, formerly of UCF, would be someone I would look closely at. Dual threat QB with a few years eligibility left. Played well against LSU a few years back. I’d encourage every QB not named Harrison Bailey or Kaiden Salter to “look around” this offseason.
  • Previously expressed my concern about linebackers so like above, I’d make finding a transfer linebacker or two a priority. Especially if someone has an ounce of pass rushing ability.

That’s all I have off the top of my head.
Agreed on keeping Weinke for Simpson. Imo Horn has plenty of potential as well and if that is where we have to go for QB next class, I wouldn't be too upset.
 
I found this really interesting, how the programs were in similar spots and what actually happens when you make the right hire

In the three years before a coaching change (2015-17), Florida was 23-15, Texas A&M was 23-16 and Tennessee was 22-16.

Going by 247Sports’s Team Talent rankings, Tennessee’s roster (12th-best) was more talented in 2017 than either Florida (17th) or Texas A&M’s (15th)

The Vols slipped to 15th in 2018, 16th in 2019 and were ranked 15th again this season.

Florida’s has jumped from 12th in 2018 to 7th this year, thanks in large part to a number of 5-star transfers Mullen has brought in with back-to-back top 10 signing classes.

Texas A&M was 16th in Fisher’s first season and are up to 11th this year. He’s signed the No. 4 and No. 6 recruiting classes the past two seasons.

So how do these three coaches compare as their Year Threes wind down?

Mullen is 27-6 at Florida. Fisher is 22-10 with the Aggies. Pruitt is just 15-17 in Knoxville.


The reality is Tennessee has the opportunity to make a special move that would yield these results and the guy is begging for the job but we have a bunch of boobs who want to crawl on their moral high horse and either keep Pruitt for 5 more years or give Tee freaking Martin the job, that line of thinking is why Tennessee is where it is. Always trying to reinvent the wheel or appease people who don't matter anymore
 
Money is the killer right now. Gun to my head I think he returns barring a Vandy loss. Then get ducks set in a row for next year. No assistant gets extension and anyone you bring in can’t get a 2 year deal.

Issue is fan apathy. That speaks louder than boosters. I be we won’t have 10K at games remaining. How do season ticket holders come next year? Fans are out on him. That’s the final nail in the coffin. It’s just how quick does this ship sink. Vandy being delayed is bad for Pruitt.
This is why I think Florida is a must win for him.
 
Money is the killer right now. Gun to my head I think he returns barring a Vandy loss. Then get ducks set in a row for next year. No assistant gets extension and anyone you bring in can’t get a 2 year deal.

Issue is fan apathy. That speaks louder than boosters. I be we won’t have 10K at games remaining. How do season ticket holders come next year? Fans are out on him. That’s the final nail in the coffin. It’s just how quick does this ship sink. Vandy being delayed is bad for Pruitt.
I can’t believe we are at this same crossroads we have been at 2 other times in the past decade, and we still are not going to get it right!!! This is amateur decisions!! It doesn’t take a rocket scientist and billionaire to see that not making this decision this year ends in us making it next year, but sets the program back 5 more years instead of 1!!! Come on, administration, boosters, Fulmer, @Atlanta VOL @BaldBiker @matts42012 @JacketVol @anyonewhohasaconnection!!! This is ludicrous! Learn from our past mistakes, spend the money now, and save the program another major major rebuild with Coach McGoogle that probably won’t work out!! Do you need a go fund me from Volnation to help with the expenses?? As I said, I’m in for a $1k if that’s what it takes to make us great again and soon!! Make it happen, and let’s move on and get it right finally!
 
Okay okay okay....

Bear with me and let’s assume Pruitt isn’t replaced.

What would your priorities to fix this team? What assistants would you move around? What seniors would you try and talk into staying? Etc...


For me, in no particular order:

  • I’d look to move on from Weinke. Ty Simpson recruitment be damned. I mean, it’s hard for me to be too critical of him because JG is a bag of ****, Bailey missed the entire offseason, and Mauer was suicidal so doubt he was focusing on his craft. But as bag a ****** as JG is, he’s regressed. Shrout never has improved, etc. I’d look at Tee Martin as the natural replacement. Him or Long.
  • Id move Osovet to something other than TE coach. We’ve gotten nothing from the position all year, and it was fairly damning when Jacob Warren, during his media availability, pointed out how the tight ends had to teach Joe about the position. That ain’t good. Joe is a creative offensive mind and seems like a talented recruiter. He has a position on the staff - but Im not 100% sure what it is yet.
  • Niedermeyer has a background in defense, and I hate to judge him too harshly, but I’m not sure he needs to be coaching ILB’s. HT has regressed this year and neither Banks nor Crouch have improved.
  • I’d tell Len’Neth Whitehead that yeah, I know you want to play RB, but his path to the field is at LB. There was a lot of talk during his recruitment that his best position was LB. With Gray, Dee, Smalls, Hodge, and the incoming freshman - we have a log jam at running back. Meanwhile, outside of HT- we have nothing proven at LB. Some players have flashed, like Joseph, but for my money, LB is our biggest question mark going forward.
  • I’d thank Brandon Kennedy and most of the seniors for their service. Maybe ask Fant, Solomon, and Palmer to come back.
  • I’d tell Cooper Mays to spend the entire offseason working at center. And I’d sell Cade on the idea of playing side by side with his brother if he’s willing to return.
  • Id do my best to bring Tosh or Bo Davis in as DL coach.
  • Id scour the earth for a transfer quarterback. Darriel Mack, formerly of UCF, would be someone I would look closely at. Dual threat QB with a few years eligibility left. Played well against LSU a few years back. I’d encourage every QB not named Harrison Bailey or Kaiden Salter to “look around” this offseason.
  • Previously expressed my concern about linebackers so like above, I’d make finding a transfer linebacker or two a priority. Especially if someone has an ounce of pass rushing ability.

That’s all I have off the top of my head.
The only priority to fix things:

GET RID OF PRUITT NOW, MAKE A HOMERUN PROVEN HC HIRE, SAVE THE ELITE 22 INSTATE CLASS!
 
We won't keep the margin below 20. We can't cover the middle and Pitts is going to eat us alive
I don't disagree that is the likely case but we've seen bigger upsets. Cfb can be like that. Florida isn't very motivated, judging by their comments this week.
 
Guys Pruitt is in a bit of trouble right now but he will right the ship!

All he has to do is pull is an elite recruiting class next year and win a bunch of games. It’s pretty simple actually. We are gonna be okay, now everyone run along, there’s nothing to see here, heh.
 
Our oline was massively overrated by both media and fans because it had young talent on it. Thing is it's oline and young talent is not as good as seasoned talent. If you took Trey's stats out of the picture we had an extremely mediocre OL last season. PFF was the only place that mentioned this and to their credit they sounded the alarm about our OL before the season began but people saw 5*s and forgot that there's an enormous difference between OL and skills players.

It’s not that young; 2 sophomores and 3 seniors or 5th year seniors.
 
Money is the killer right now. Gun to my head I think he returns barring a Vandy loss. Then get ducks set in a row for next year. No assistant gets extension and anyone you bring in can’t get a 2 year deal.

Issue is fan apathy. That speaks louder than boosters. I be we won’t have 10K at games remaining. How do season ticket holders come next year? Fans are out on him. That’s the final nail in the coffin. It’s just how quick does this ship sink. Vandy being delayed is bad for Pruitt.

At some point, you would think they can’t afford NOT to make the move.
 
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Okay okay okay....

Bear with me and let’s assume Pruitt isn’t replaced.

What would your priorities to fix this team? What assistants would you move around? What seniors would you try and talk into staying? Etc...


For me, in no particular order:

  • I’d look to move on from Weinke. Ty Simpson recruitment be damned. I mean, it’s hard for me to be too critical of him because JG is a bag of ****, Bailey missed the entire offseason, and Mauer was suicidal so doubt he was focusing on his craft. But as bag a ****** as JG is, he’s regressed. Shrout never has improved, etc. I’d look at Tee Martin as the natural replacement. Him or Long.
  • Id move Osovet to something other than TE coach. We’ve gotten nothing from the position all year, and it was fairly damning when Jacob Warren, during his media availability, pointed out how the tight ends had to teach Joe about the position. That ain’t good. Joe is a creative offensive mind and seems like a talented recruiter. He has a position on the staff - but Im not 100% sure what it is yet.
  • Niedermeyer has a background in defense, and I hate to judge him too harshly, but I’m not sure he needs to be coaching ILB’s. HT has regressed this year and neither Banks nor Crouch have improved.
  • I’d tell Len’Neth Whitehead that yeah, I know you want to play RB, but his path to the field is at LB. There was a lot of talk during his recruitment that his best position was LB. With Gray, Dee, Smalls, Hodge, and the incoming freshman - we have a log jam at running back. Meanwhile, outside of HT- we have nothing proven at LB. Some players have flashed, like Joseph, but for my money, LB is our biggest question mark going forward.
  • I’d thank Brandon Kennedy and most of the seniors for their service. Maybe ask Fant, Solomon, and Palmer to come back.
  • I’d tell Cooper Mays to spend the entire offseason working at center. And I’d sell Cade on the idea of playing side by side with his brother if he’s willing to return.
  • Id do my best to bring Tosh or Bo Davis in as DL coach.
  • Id scour the earth for a transfer quarterback. Darriel Mack, formerly of UCF, would be someone I would look closely at. Dual threat QB with a few years eligibility left. Played well against LSU a few years back. I’d encourage every QB not named Harrison Bailey or Kaiden Salter to “look around” this offseason.
  • Previously expressed my concern about linebackers so like above, I’d make finding a transfer linebacker or two a priority. Especially if someone has an ounce of pass rushing ability.

That’s all I have off the top of my head.
There's so much dysfunction.

QB- You have to be able to recognize and play talent. There is zero excuse (even COVID) about the QB play. They should have been grooming Harrison from day 1 to be a starter. If he doesn't understand the entire playbook, that's fine, condense it for him and let him learn and grow rather than playing JG game after game and watching him literally throw games away with multiple pick 6s. Don't cower under some weak ass comment about freshman getting hurt or w/e that was. Play your best players. Not to mention the "best chance to win" comments during a year where we are winning 2-3 games. Obviously kick Weinke to the curb as he is terrible.

RB- A lone bright spot. They looked a little shaky at the beginning but Gray is really showing out. We had bigger hopes for Ty but he's just not that great of an SEC back. Small has looked decent in certain areas but I'd love to see a bigger back out there. Pass protection has been suboptimal.

OL- Lots of talent accumulated but average production. Friend needs to go in the worst way. There are so many 4-5 star talents on this line yet we are 88th in average rush yards per attempt. Fire Friend. IDGAF is he is your best friend. He's not getting the job done.

TE- There is no talent or coaching here. Osovet has credibility here for whatever reason but if the comments from Warren are true about them telling him about TEs, he needs to go.

WR- Hard to evaluate this position because how bad JG has been. We aren't getting separation consistently. Hyatt is a lone bright spot. It seems inexcusable that you can't get your WRs to learn the route trees and be able to contribute earlier. That's gotta be on Tee. Get more speed on the field and get the ball to your playmakers.

D-line- Just abysmal this year. No pass rush. DL coach gets fired mid season. Can't recruit well at the position. I'm not sure what the fix is other than bringing in an extremely reputable coach and being able to start recruiting at a lot higher level.

LB- Again, awful outside of HT who has regressed some this year. Nieds is a good recruiter but needs to be fired because he cannot coach. I'm not sure what Felton brings. There have been flashes of talent (e.g. MoJo) but he isn't playing a lot. We can't rush the passer. We can't defend the middle of the field. I'd say move Crouch to OLB and make him a pass rusher only. Losing Lewis here really hurts because he probably starts next year.

DB- The calling card for Pruitt but again, just has been bad. Bryce is talented, no doubt. But Alontae just doesn't have the fluidity for CB. He's more of a safety IMO. You just lost your best CB recruit in McGhee. I will say that the lack of a pass rush hurts here but you have to be better. We can't defend slants. WRs routinely run free and don't have defenders near them. Tank is a step too slow for the SEC (reminds me of TK Jr). Flowers is inconsistent. Ansley has been a bad hire and hopefully can move on to a different job.

Recruiting- One of the main reasons we hired JP. But he just isn't getting the job done at a level that we need for success. Recruits aren't dumb, they see the product on the field. Play for anemic offense that can barely score 20 ppg? Pass.

Defense? The "Xs and Os guru" is giving up 31 points per game and is routinely showing the inability to cover simple slant routes over and over.
 
I think we lose out, but even if we were to win some/all remaining games, it still doesn't change my mind about Pruitt.

He is not a good head coach right now. He may get it, but he doesn't right now. We are a big boy program, so cut bait and get a real coach.

This time around, there are real candidates who would take this job. Take your pick, but they are all better that Pruitt right now.
 
Guys Pruitt is in a bit of trouble right now but he will right the ship!

All he has to do is pull is an elite recruiting class next year and win a bunch of games. It’s pretty simple actually. We are gonna be okay, now everyone run along, there’s nothing to see here, heh.
Lol no it was said he needs to start working on the 2022 class and just write this one off
 
There are more coaches than Freeze out there. If Fulmer hates him as mentioned, not likely to be the guy. I want Texas to fire Herman. It would be interesting for sure. He will have a job in a few days after.

Hope it’s us
Even if unlikely, I think you call Campbell first and make an offer he can't refuse. Then Fickell. I like the idea of Herman if he gets fired. Then, I would probably debate Napier vs Freeze
 
I really think FL is last game played. Especially if Ohio St plays this weekend. OSU wins one more game, A&M is most likely out of playoff. No need to play TN. SEC doesn't want Vandy game played.
 
What’s all this stuff about wanting to win games? I would be happy with a basic offensive scheme, not throwing 100 yard pick sixes, a basic defense that can defend a slant, and a kicker that spends more time on the field than in the tattoo parlor. I could fix all those things in 1 day and i don’t know jack about coaching football. by the way, it is freezing this morning.
 
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