Recruiting Forum: Football Talk III

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WR position next year is worrisome.

 

[DD4ME]

WR position next year is worrisome.

Under a new scheme honestly I'm worried about all of it. We've not been the quickest team at picking up new schemes. That's one reason why I'm ok with the possibility of Butch having his staff. Some of them have made 2 jumps with him already.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I'm excited for the defensive upgrades for sure. Just don't like bringing in so many big east coaches as a whole when he's been given a huge pot for assistants and had a proven elite assistant in Pittman. Might still work out, but makes me skeptical.

His staff won 4 championships in 6 years in the MAC and Big East. Coaching is coaching. Moving to the Sec just means better competition but with better players on his roster.

 

[yoyoyoyo]

Below are the resumes of coaches that have won the SEC title game when they were hired. Most were not very impressive as you can see. What does this mean for CBJ? I don't know but his resume doesn't look bad compared to some of these. Some off our fans need to calm down and let things playout before they write CBJ off as a bad coach.

Gene Stallings -- 27-45-1 at Texas A&M. 23-34-1 NFL's Cardinals.

Steve Spurrier -- Won ACC title at Duke.

Phil Fulmer-- OC at UT

Mike DuBose -- Defensive Line Coach at Alabama.

Nick Saban at LSU -- 43-26-1 at Toledo and Michigan State.

Mark Richt -- OC at Florida State.

Les Miles -- Miles was 28-21 at Oklahoma State, 16-16 in the Big 12.

Tommy Tuberville -- He was 25-20 at Ole Miss and 12-20 in conference.

Urban Meyer -- He was 39-8 and coming off a 12-0 season at Utah.

Nick Saban at Alabama-- National Championship at LSU

Gene Chizik -- Chizik was 5-19 at Iowa State.

 

[Vol4Life1991]

Sent to you and DD as well. It forces me to clip it a little to email from my iphone. If you want it texted in entirety reply to email with #.

dayates@yahoo.com if you don't mind.

 

[DD4ME]

Anyone think we'll have the same attitude problems we had under Dooley?

I for one do not.

 

[Orange Studs]

Just want to be clear not freaking out nor B!tchin. Just discussing and asking questions that I may better understand whats going on and just passing on MO. I am excited to see who he brings in. Wondering if ya'll ave heard anything on coaches that he may be bring in besides his own. I expected him to bring some of his staff.

 

[UTCVol]

Just want to be clear not freaking out nor B!tchin. Just discussing and asking questions that I may better understand whats going on and just passing on MO. I am excited to see who he brings in. Wondering if ya'll ave heard anything on coaches that he may be bring in besides his own. I expected him to bring some of his staff.

Seems like he's going to get his core in place and then go after outside guys to round out the staff.

 

[jave36]

His staff won 4 championships in 6 years in the MAC and Big East. Coaching is coaching. Moving to the Sec just means better competition but with better players on his roster.

Recruiting is not recruiting though. Relationships and connections are crucial.

 

[DD4ME]

Just want to be clear not freaking out nor B!tchin. Just discussing and asking questions that I may better understand whats going on and just passing on MO. I am excited to see who he brings in. Wondering if ya'll ave heard anything on coaches that he may be bring in besides his own. I expected him to bring some of his staff.

I've not heard anyone mention what outside staff might look like. Tee was hinted at maybe being in play, maybe not now with new developments. I'd say the D is the most likely spots.

 

[UTCVol]

Most successful coaches regardless of where they are coming from or where they are going bring 4-5 of their own men. First, comfort level and understanding the system is key. Secondly, if you've been successful with these coaches why clean house? Darin Hinshaw's exist at a lot of schools. He was a good recruiter mixed in with average and bad recruiters that made him look like Kevin Steele. Even Brent said that Dooley's staff did not work as hard as Fulmers. Think about that... We all thought many on Fulmers staff were lazy recruiters.

Now back to my initial comments... Ill give you 2 examples of coaches that came from small schools that had success and then to the SEC.

First Urban Meyer from Utah. He fired everyone but Charlie Strong. A staff that couldn't really coach but very very good recruiters. He brought with him 4 coaches from Utah and it would have been 5 but his OC got promoted to head coach. So what did Urban Meyer do? Go find the best OC in the country like the GQ would recommend? No. He promoted his running backs coach to OC a guy named Dan Mullen. Again understanding the system is key. This staff many with NO Southern ties went on to put together maybe the greatest recruiting class in history one year later.

Next hugh Freeze. We can all agree that his staff has done a tremendous job this year and on the recruiting trail. He I believe also retained one coach from the previous staff. As NYC posted earlier, if the former staff has been losing best you rid yourself of those coaches because that's what the players will associate with them. He brought 4 guys with him from Arkansas State including his DC and recruiting coordinator. As OC he brought in Dan Werner who I believe he had worked with under Ed Orgeron. Got Matt Luke from Duke because he is an Ole Miss guy and even made him co-OC. Then he brought in a former Rebel in Grant Heard who has hardly any expirience in coaching... or atleast I've never heard of him.

Trying to put together a superstar staff like a lane kiffin may excite the fans but the whole thing breaks down internally eventually. Look at Kiffins staffs or even Chizik's at Auburn.

Remember this isn't about pleasing the fans the fans don't have to work side by side with Trooper Taylor, Ed Orgeron or Van Gorder. They may be great recruiters or even coaches but if they as individuals don't fit your way of thinking (system) they will be counter productive to your success I promise.

I thought this was a good post from VQ. Let it play out.

 

[SigNu_VolFan]

247 just mentioned Willie Martinez as a possibility for the secondary. Also, Brian Van Gorder was mentioned.

 

[NMVol]

Dave Clawson: another cereberal OC who went to Williams College and attempted to introduce a zone blocking scheme at UT. Not sure it means anything, just think its interesting.

 

[amazingGRACE]

It depends on which position T.J. Weist coaches. If he is the receivers coach then he is looking for a tight ends coach. I'm not sure who he would hire there. But I would think it would have to be a guy with SEC ties to recruit.

His DC in my opinion is going to be his DC at Cincy John Jancek. And I think Stribling is coming with him to be his DL coach.

So I think it could look like this:

HC - Butch Jones
OC/QB - Mike Bajakian
OL - Don Mahony
RB - Jay Graham
WR - T.J. Weist (not as sure here)
TE - ?????

DC/LB - John Jancek
DL - Steve Stripling
DB - ???

Last position - ???? I don't know if he's going to have a separate linebackers coach, two DB coaches, or a qb's coach. I'm not sure how the staff arrangement is going to be. He had two defensive backs coaches at Cincy.

Please note that I'm not saying this is done, but based on what we are hearing today and trying to put the puzzle together this is what it feels like it might look like.

Hubbs

 

[The Breakerboy]

I'm excited for the defensive upgrades for sure. Just don't like bringing in so many big east coaches as a whole when he's been given a huge pot for assistants and had a proven elite assistant in Pittman. Might still work out, but makes me skeptical.

Urban Meyer was from the Mountain West Conference. With a spread offense. Wonder how that turned out.

Les Miles was from Okie State with a spread option style of offense.

Nick Saban was from Mich.State. Conservative boring pro style offense.

Kevin Sumlin is from Houston and Conference USA. With a spread offense.

Good coaches win games wherever they go with their systems.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Recruiting is not recruiting though. Relationships and connections are crucial.

That's why keeping Graham was crucial and adding a stud SEC recruiter or two on D would be ideal. But those relationships with Butch and the new guys will come over time, nothing can speed that up.

 

[UTCVol]

247 just mentioned Willie Martinez as a possibility for the secondary. Also, Brian Van Gorder was mentioned.

Eek.

 

[Neyland2nd2none]

If James Franklin can bring in a staff of relative unknowns that aren't very familiar with sec recruiting to vandy & have success I see no reason why it can't be done at UT.

 

[OCIVol]

Jones has at least a $3M budget for assistants, so he's going to have to pay somebody. I think the staff will look something like this:

OC/QB - Bajakian
RB - Graham
WR/RC - Weist
TE -
OL - Mahoney
DC/LB - Jancek
DL - Stripling
CB -
S/ST - Elder

I think this is what we're heading for unless we get another DC.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Dave Clawson: another cereberal OC who went to Williams College and attempted to introduce a zone blocking scheme at UT. Not sure it means anything, just think its interesting.

You bringing up the idiot that coached Weak and Strong Tackles on the O-line. Little league offense. Fulmer should've shut that down in the interviewing process.

 

[NMVol]

Anyone think we'll have the same attitude problems we had under Dooley?

I for one do not.

Dooley could scream too. Might be more to coaching?

 

[The Orange Pants]

Urban Meyer was from the Mountain West Conference. With a spread offense. Wonder how that turned out.

Les Miles was from Okie State with a spread option style of offense.

Nick Saban was from Mich.State. Conservative boring pro style offense.

Kevin Sumlin is from Houston and Conference USA. With a spread offense.

Good coaches win games wherever they go with their systems.

You cut that out! There will be no facts and logic up in here, sir!

 

[DD4ME]

dayates@yahoo.com if you don't mind.

He posted it in this thread.

 

[Orange Studs]

I've not heard anyone mention what outside staff might look like. Tee was hinted at maybe being in play, maybe not now with new developments. I'd say the D is the most likely spots.

Tell me if I'm right on this, so far CBJ's OC is coming and may be coaching WR"S. His DL coach is coming and I take it coaching the DL? Who have I missed? So do you guys think he brings in an OC and a DC?

 

[ionaVOL]

I thought this was a good post from VQ. Let it play out.

Thanks for posting good read. To me, its not only bringing guys that know the scheme and are comfortable with it, but he is also confident that they can transfer that knowledge to the players. He can go out and get the brightest mind in the business, but I'll take his guy, that has a good working relationship with him and that he knows can teach his system to players. I think he's going about this the right way.