Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[BucVol98]

Alcoa

Thanks any idea if it'll be on local TV, the Greeneville-Powell Game was on a couple weeks back

 

[Dooby15]

It doesn’t work that way.

What doesn’t work that way?

 

[jakez4ut]

You're welcome to whatever personal opinion or perception you want. I've also, still not used the word "employee" the term workforce is an umbrella term and vague, that's all I'm pointing out.

lol.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I think a tier system based on your rating would be pretty appropriate but the thing is there are so many players and teams on the games the players would make practically nothing so what's the point in the first place, obviously other than getting the game back

It's possible, there's a franchise for a soccer game PES (Pro Evolution Soccer) that doesn't own hardly any license agreements with franchises. They make everything easy to customize though, so naturally fans take over. You can rename leagues, changes graphics, upload kits, rename/alter player appearance etc.

So legally a college football game could exist, as long as it's not clearly branded as NCAA or college football.

 

[VolGee4]

Informal Labor or Unpaid Labor would be more accurate terms, since workforce is also inclusive of the unemployed when used to describe a countries workforce. Congratulations on being an attorney, what relevance is that to our linguistics discussion?

You asked questions using the phrases "you do realize" and "in your mind." While it's not my expertise, I think I have some grasp of what we are discussing and didn't care for such insinuations.

But, you can call it whatever you want. I don't consider kids enrolled in college "the workforce." If they want to start a labor union and pay taxes (like NW tried), then go right ahead. There are various definitions, but one that I found was "the total number of a country's population employed in the armed forces and civilian jobs, plus those unemployed people who are actually seeking paying work."

Generally, it is referred to people who are paid to do a job or who are looking to be paid to do a job. Thus, income is received and taxes are paid.

Enjoy your day because it's beaten into the ground.

 

[butchna]

I think a tier system based on your rating would be pretty appropriate but the thing is there are so many players and teams on the games the players would make practically nothing so what's the point in the first place, obviously other than getting the game back

Good enough reason by itself.

 

[BucVol98]

It's possible, there's a franchise for a soccer game PES (Pro Evolution Soccer) that doesn't own hardly any license agreements with franchises. They make everything easy to customize though, so naturally fans take over. You can rename leagues, changes graphics, upload kits, rename/alter player appearance etc.

So legally a college football game could exist, as long as it's not clearly branded as NCAA or college football.

Interesting thought there, maybe we should start development on that

 

[hotcypress]

I think the compromise here that the NCAA needs to entertain is that players should have the ability to make money off the use of their likeness and image. It won't lead to a system of colleges paying players that could disrupt college football as we know it, while still allowing players to make money selling autographs, getting shoe deals, appearing in commercials, or appearing in NCAA branded video games. There are so many complex issues if we move to colleges treating these athletes as employees, including navigating Title IX, potential collective bargaining activity, and the collapse of any "minor" college football programs who could not compete. It's the easiest way to allow players to make money off their labor and effort while still keeping college football alive.

 

[hotcypress]

It's possible, there's a franchise for a soccer game PES (Pro Evolution Soccer) that doesn't own hardly any license agreements with franchises. They make everything easy to customize though, so naturally fans take over. You can rename leagues, changes graphics, upload kits, rename/alter player appearance etc.

So legally a college football game could exist, as long as it's not clearly branded as NCAA or college football.

MoCo,

This already exists to some extent. Check on Doug Flutie's Maximum Football.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

Guys it’s Chattanooga week and we talking NCAA rules in here.....This could be our big win of the season!

 

[Kingston Vol]

What doesn’t work that way?

There will be no determination by the school of how much a player gets paid and whether a softball player should make as much as a football player.

If any student athlete can sign a marketing contract or get paid to go sign autographs at a restaurant, they should be allowed to do so.

 

[jakez4ut]

It's possible, there's a franchise for a soccer game PES (Pro Evolution Soccer) that doesn't own hardly any license agreements with franchises. They make everything easy to customize though, so naturally fans take over. You can rename leagues, changes graphics, upload kits, rename/alter player appearance etc.

So legally a college football game could exist, as long as it's not clearly branded as NCAA or college football.

how long did the AFL last again?

 

[Dooby15]

There will be no determination by the school of how much a player gets paid and whether a softball player should make as much as a football player.

If any student athlete can sign a marketing contract or get paid to go sign autographs at a restaurant, they should be allowed to do so.

Oh okay I gotcha. Agreed
I thought we were talking about putting student athletes on the payroll. The restrictions are kind of silly. I played baseball in college and my summer work hours were limited at the book store which I thought was stupid.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

as much relevance as saying a college football team is unpaid labor?

Inserting one's profession into a discussion, on an anonymous forum serves what purpose?

 

[Rishvol]

I take it Kingston didnt letter in s**t

I played a sport for both high school and as a walk on for a D1 school. never felt I deserved anything. It was my choice because I enjoyed competing in the sport.

Congrats for walking on for tiddlywinks. Didn't think you had it in you

 

[jakez4ut]

Inserting one's profession into a discussion, on an anonymous forum serves what purpose?

dunno, but if someone starts talkin ish about trucking, i'm probably going to insert myself in that discussion too.........

 

[MoCo_Vol]

You asked questions using the phrases "you do realize" and "in your mind." While it's not my expertise, I think I have some grasp of what we are discussing and didn't care for such insinuations.

But, you can call it whatever you want. I don't consider kids enrolled in college "the workforce." If they want to start a labor union and pay taxes (like NW tried), then go right ahead. There are various definitions, but one that I found was "the total number of a country's population employed in the armed forces and civilian jobs, plus those unemployed people who are actually seeking paying work."

Generally, it is referred to people who are paid to do a job or who are looking to be paid to do a job. Thus, income is received and taxes are paid.

Enjoy your day because it's beaten into the ground.

I guess since you're an attorney it means more when you say it...?

Thanks, enjoy your day as well.

 

[UTSuave’]

Thanks any idea if it'll be on local TV, the Greeneville-Powell Game was on a couple weeks back

Usually Maryville and Alcoa is prime time football it definitely should be on the local channels..we just have some “over sea” guys on here I try to post a link for to keep them in touch with the states.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

how long did the AFL last again?

Talking about vidja games Jake

 

[chargervol]

I used to be for athletes selling their image for all schools but the more I thought about it, the worse it got.

There really is just select areas with way more money or alumni.
Wts, they ever find an equal way, go for it.

 

[Chuckie]

All I know is that the NCAA is probably pretty preoccupied with all this crap. Seems like a great time for some recruiting tomfoolery to be perpetrated by our coaches and boosters!

 

[jakez4ut]

Talking about vidja games Jake

lol. well i just keep finding ways to prove how old i am don't i?

carry on......i'm gonna stumble outta here now.

 

[ndubvols]

I think the compromise here that the NCAA needs to entertain is that players should have the ability to make money off the use of their likeness and image. It won't lead to a system of colleges paying players that could disrupt college football as we know it, while still allowing players to make money selling autographs, getting shoe deals, appearing in commercials, or appearing in NCAA branded video games. There are so many complex issues if we move to colleges treating these athletes as employees, including navigating Title IX, potential collective bargaining activity, and the collapse of any "minor" college football programs who could not compete. It's the easiest way to allow players to make money off their labor and effort while still keeping college football alive.

I agree with this completely, and think this is the best solution going forward. There are very few, if any, circumstances where an individual is not allowed to profit of their own name/image/likeness. I don’t see why college athletes should be subject to a different standards.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

dunno, but if someone starts talkin ish about trucking, i'm probably going to insert myself in that discussion too.........

And non truckers will as well, it's what forums are for...discussion.

There's just a difference in saying " I define a workforce as..." versus saying "a workforce is..." it's a big vague term, not easily defined. I've gathered from the back/forth that VolGee4 has personally defined workforce to mean someone making taxable income, that's fine he's welcome to do so.

I'm welcome to disagree and supply my reasoning, which is all I did/was doing.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I used to be for athletes selling their image for all schools but the more I thought about it, the worse it got.

There really is just select areas with way more money or alumni.
Wts, they ever find an equal way, go for it.

Honestly, and last I'll say on it. I don't know how you can truly "equalize" it. The top money making sports within universities are already getting far more than the other sports, and a truly "capitalist" approach would all but eliminate women's college sports except for a select few areas. I really dislike the idea of girls not growing up with sports and the ability to get an education from playing them at an exceptional level.