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KB5252 said:
The offense is very QB friendly, it can also be quickly dissected/diagnosed by defenses if they are taught it effectively. I think that's what you've seen happen the past teo seasons, that and some QB and other personnel limitations.

There are things you can do to hybridize it and add more wrinkles. The biggest advantage it gives you is at the line of scrimmage, pre snap, to adjust to what the defense is showing. If your QB can make the call quickly at the LOS and effectively communicate it to the receivers you can keep defenders in conflict. We've lacked that detail in the offense the last two seasons.

There are elements of the offense that are making their way to the league but the simplicity to diagnose seems to be a driver of it not being used at the next level.
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the other limiting factor in the NFL is the hash marks not being as wide, so the splits are not as wide

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The only time our scheme can jack up draft stock is maybe on a few spots where production makes a difference, and the scouts trust the other guys numbers. People will still draft Joe or Hyatt on measurables alone. Our reciever stats last year proved Hyatt was unique and not just a product of scheme. He has been screwed with giants. Milton conversely had a chance to shine. Hendon needs that chance.
 
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When I saw the news of Madden transferring last night it hit me. Most parents save for 18 years to pay for a child's college, Big Nic has been licking his chops for 18 years waiting to cash out. I would be willing to bet in 5-6 years we will see some lawsuits filed when Nico and Madden grow up and realize dad ruined their careers and took advantage of them. Its crazy to me to see a parent who uses his kids as bargaining chips for a larger payday.
 
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KB5252 said:
The offense is very QB friendly, it can also be quickly dissected/diagnosed by defenses if they are taught it effectively. I think that's what you've seen happen the past teo seasons, that and some QB and other personnel limitations.

There are things you can do to hybridize it and add more wrinkles. The biggest advantage it gives you is at the line of scrimmage, pre snap, to adjust to what the defense is showing. If your QB can make the call quickly at the LOS and effectively communicate it to the receivers you can keep defenders in conflict. We've lacked that detail in the offense the last two seasons.

There are elements of the offense that are making their way to the league but the simplicity to diagnose seems to be a driver of it not being used at the next level.
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The real difference between 2022 and 2023-24 is that open receivers were not being hit. I saw the same quantity of open receivers in 2023 and 2024 but they were not seen or missed.
Tennessee's offense is simple in design but impossible to counter if the offense executes. Ultra wide splits force the defense to cover the whole field and makes it more difficult to hide blitzes, most of the reads are pre-snap. I think the narrative that teams have figured out Tennessee's offense is untrue. The plays are there, and would be effective if executed.
A farmer could raise a bumper crop, and have no one to harvest it and have a bad year. Find somebody to pick the crops and he's rolling in money. The field is white with grain.
 
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Weezer said:
I wish I could find the positivity some of you seem to have. I just don't have it. I see a trainwreck, and I'm praying for survivors. I hope this new QB works out, but I have major doubts.
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Figures. Why can’t you have some hope? And who’s to say this new QB beats out Merk or GMac? And why are some of our fans so set on either one of those guys are ready? Because of some practice reports???

I am excited about this QB battle. I am hoping that the new QB pushes Merk and GMac to work that much harder. Now I will say this. The WRs?? Now that’s a huge concern for me. They have gotten worse since Burns left. And it doesn’t seem like we will get a good playmaker in the portal unless something changes.
 
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volbeast33 said:
The scheme which spreads everyone out is responsible for the majority of our rushing yards. We will always have a strong running game bc of this reason. Some of our rbs will be better than others but they are not running against similar fronts.
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The plain fact of the matter is that Tennessee's offense run correctly is going to face light boxes. Only when we are not executing can the defense play more in the box. If our threats are threatening then we will run against light boxes all day.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
I am not an NFL Scout, nor am I one of the talking heads.

Their knock was: "The RBs in that system do not face normal defensive boxes"
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The NFL doesn't really care about the system a player ran in college. Just like a college coach is not concerned by the system a player played in middle school. Look how much time is spent on combines and prodays. That is the business NFL scouts are interested in.
 
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rikberry31 said:
The real difference between 2022 and 2023-24 is that open receivers were not being hit. I saw the same quantity of open receivers in 2023 and 2024 but they were not seen or missed.
Tennessee's offense is simple in design but impossible to counter if the offense executes. Ultra wide splits force the defense to cover the whole field and makes it more difficult to hide blitzes, most of the reads are pre-snap. I think the narrative that teams have figured out Tennessee's offense is untrue. The plays are there, and would be effective if executed.
A farmer could raise a bumper crop, and have no one to harvest it and have a bad year. Find somebody to pick the crops and he's rolling in money. The field is white with grain.
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Defenses have adjusted, I agree there were issues with lack of execution, at both WR and QB that limited our effectiveness. But every team we faced n conference adjusted their defensive alignments after Heupels first year, to varying degrees of success.

No offense is impossible to counter, I haven't said teams figured out the offense. Only that they have adjusted to limit splash plays, forcing qb's to make tougher decisions and better throws. And the last two years I agree, our QB's left way too much on the table.
 
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rikberry31 said:
The plain fact of the matter is that Tennessee's offense run correctly is going to face light boxes. Only when we are not executing can the defense play more in the box. If our threats are threatening then we will run against light boxes all day.
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I agree
 
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VolGee4 said:
That's why scouts have jobs. They don't just look at stats. They look at film. Dylan Sampson is good in any scheme. Maybe not 22 TD's, but he's good. His running around a player in the open field has nothing to do with scheme.
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It would be a hard scout, imo. Every year since Heup has been here we have avg 200-225 ypg and around 5 ypc.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
It seems that the prevailing opinion among CFB media personalities and now NFL Draft media personalities (and scouts) is that the Briles' Baylor Veer N Shoot, and now the Heupel/Tennessee variant, do not prepare players on offense for the NFL.

This was said last year when NFL people were evaluating Wright. It's being said this year about Sampson. It had been said about our WRs and QBs in the Draft. The Nico saga for the past two weeks has brought this back out.

This isn't just a few people talking about it. This is being stated so matter-of-factly that it is a foregone conclusion. It even made it to Pardon My Take, which is the most listened to sports podcast. You can't get any more mainstream.

We (UT fans, maybe staff) can dismiss it all we want, but it's out there in a major way. Not just among our conference rivals and opponents on the recruiting trail/portal, NFL scouts are just walking around saying this to anyone that will listen.
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You can tell Huep gets pissy about it when reporters ask him about it. Think someone asked about Donte Thorton this spring and if he’d be able to translate to a pro offense. Think I saw a Kim Caldwell type eye roll
 
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BigSteve09 said:
It seems that the prevailing opinion among CFB media personalities and now NFL Draft media personalities (and scouts) is that the Briles' Baylor Veer N Shoot, and now the Heupel/Tennessee variant, do not prepare players on offense for the NFL.

This was said last year when NFL people were evaluating Wright. It's being said this year about Sampson. It had been said about our WRs and QBs in the Draft. The Nico saga for the past two weeks has brought this back out.

This isn't just a few people talking about it. This is being stated so matter-of-factly that it is a foregone conclusion. It even made it to Pardon My Take, which is the most listened to sports podcast. You can't get any more mainstream.

We (UT fans, maybe staff) can dismiss it all we want, but it's out there in a major way. Not just among our conference rivals and opponents on the recruiting trail/portal, NFL scouts are just walking around saying this to anyone that will listen.
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And there wasn't a good air raid quarterback until Patrick mahomes. All it takes is one guy
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Sally has some lawnmowers now, like roombas for your yard. . . insane how much they want for them. I'd rather have the RC mower from "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids". . .
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I got a 'factory reconditioned' robot mower off ebay for less than $1000 bucks. Absolute best money I ever spent. Now I cut grass with a cigar in one hand and a refreshing beverage in the other.
 
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