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SoilVol said:
Me neither and that was my point. Those teams are ranked now.
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Generally agree with this, but I do think there is something to rankings when played. Some teams are monsters early in the season then tank later for whatever reason or injuries. And vice versa. What I normally try to fall back on is if it benefits us, use that metric. If it doesn’t, then it was just a poor metric that “analysts” fell in love with
 
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85SugarVol said:
His bat to ball skills were off the charts.

Unfortunately, the contact he made after putting the bat on the ball is tainted (during the time period you are referencing).

The greatest tragedy of the juiced era, imo, is that we’ll never know how great he would have ended up. And he is to blame.
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Not really cause the only fair way to judge players is against their peers not other eras. We have no idea how guys would perform across eras. What we do know is in the juiced ball era Barry Bonds was incomparable. That's why it doesn't matter to me that he used steroids. Everyone else was doing it too and he was way better than them.

Barry Bonds is the GOAT not because of his raw totals. He's the GOAT because of how dominant he was in comparison to his peers.
 
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85SugarVol said:
His bat to ball skills were off the charts.

Unfortunately, the contact he made after putting the bat on the ball is tainted (during the time period you are referencing).

The greatest tragedy of the juiced era, imo, is that we’ll never know how great he would have ended up. And he is to blame.
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Was a no-doubt first ballot HOF (maybe the first ever unanimous selection since without the juice, he would’ve been eligible way before Mariano Rivera), but traded it for storied MLB records that were watered down in celebration and appreciation. Maybe someday he can be honest concerning if the barter was worth it.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not really cause the only fair way to judge players is against their peers not other eras. We have no idea how guys would perform across eras. What we do know is in the juiced ball era Barry Bonds was incomparable. That's why it doesn't matter to me that he used steroids. Everyone else was doing it too and he was way better than them.

Barry Bonds is the GOAT not because of his raw totals. He's the GOAT because of how dominant he was in comparison to his peers.
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Prove every other hitter was using steroids just like Bonds. Also he wasn’t way better than all the other hitters.
 
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butchna said:
Was a no-doubt first ballot HOF (maybe the first ever unanimous selection since without the juice, he would’ve been eligible way before Mariano Rivera), but traded it for storied MLB records that were watered down in celebration and appreciation. Maybe someday he can be honest concerning if the barter was worth it.
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What's so bad about the situation was the 4 straight MVP seasons were steroid induced seasons. I give Bonds Credit for his first 3 MVP seasons in early 90's but the 4 straight should be taken out of the record books. As far as the poster saying everyone was on steroids that's funny. Chipper and Derek Jeter were jacked up on roids 😂😂😂 no way in hell....
 
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March 9, 1862
Battle of the Ironclads

The USS Monitor and CSS Virginia were not the world's first ironclad ships, but their epic clash at Hampton Roads on March 9, 1862, marked a major turning point in naval warfare. When they met near the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay, Union iron-plated gunboats had already been plying the waters of Western Theater rivers for some weeks. But no two such ships had ever faced each other in combat.

On March 8th, the CSS Virginia had crippled one US wooden ship, and set sights against the USS Minnesota the next morning. As the Virginia approached the Minnesota, it noticed a strange raft-like vessel defending its quarry and shifted fire to the newcomer, USS Monitor.

The two ironclads then settled down to a close range slug-fest, both landing hits that took little effect. After several hours of close combat, Monitor disengaged and headed for the safety of shallower waters, its commander temporarily blinded by a shell that exploded near the viewing slit of the pilothouse. Virginia, short on ammunition and conscious of the retreating tide, retired to Norfolk. The first battle between steam-powered, ironclad warships had ended in a draw.

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knoxvol52 said:
What's so bad about the situation was the 4 straight MVP seasons were steroid induced seasons. I give Bonds Credit for his first 3 MVP seasons in early 90's but the 4 straight should be taken out of the record books. As far as the poster saying everyone was on steroids that's funny. Chipper and Derek Jeter were jacked up on roids 😂😂😂 no way in hell....
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I don't want to get into a "steroid/HOF/who juiced/who didn't" debate.......

But there are lots of different "steroids" out there. Not all bulk you up and make you stronger. Some help you heal quicker. Other's mask pain. Some will help maintain muscle mass as you age.


I'd be willing to bet almost anything that the vast majority of ALL athletes......In every sport....... were "juicing" during this timeframe. I mean, my sons HS football team was taking Creatine.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not really cause the only fair way to judge players is against their peers not other eras. We have no idea how guys would perform across eras. What we do know is in the juiced ball era Barry Bonds was incomparable. That's why it doesn't matter to me that he used steroids. Everyone else was doing it too and he was way better than them.

Barry Bonds is the GOAT not because of his raw totals. He's the GOAT because of how dominant he was in comparison to his peers.
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I don't care that he juiced. Put him in the HOF where he belongs.
 
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peaygolf said:
I don't want to get into a "steroid/HOF/who juiced/who didn't" debate.......

But there are lots of different "steroids" out there. Not all bulk you up and make you stronger. Some help you heal quicker. Other's mask pain. Some will help maintain muscle mass as you age.


I'd be willing to bet almost anything that the vast majority of ALL athletes......In every sport....... were "juicing" during this timeframe.
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Mark and Jay Mcgwire just took the kind to help you sleep.


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Happy Sunday

March 9, 2025: You have been through a distressing time, but you must position yourself to move on. You cannot do anything about the past, but you can embrace God's will and purposes for your future. Go forth with open mind and heart. You have learned some valuable lessons that enhanced your wisdom with regard to your ability to handle challenges in the days ahead by trusting the Lord. Psalm 61:2 From the end of the earth I will cry to You, when my heart is overwhelmed; lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
 
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peaygolf said:
I don't want to get into a "steroid/HOF/who juiced/who didn't" debate.......

But there are lots of different "steroids" out there. Not all bulk you up and make you stronger. Some help you heal quicker. Other's mask pain. Some will help maintain muscle mass as you age.


I'd be willing to bet almost anything that the vast majority of ALL athletes......In every sport....... were "juicing" during this timeframe. I mean, my sons HS football team was taking Creatine.
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You could be correct but I would put money on it that Cal Ripken Jr. Never touched the stuff.. or Ken Griffey Jr.
 
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