Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Jimmy Football]

No, there’s another difference…

 

[DD4ME]

No, there’s another difference…

 

[DD4ME]

With all due respect, this is one of the least accurate takes on our athletics. Our ticket prices are comparable, yet our results are superior.

Tell me, how good is Ohio State in baseball or basketball? They spend the most on football.

How successful is Duke in football?

How good was Auburn in football?

What kind of return is South Carolina getting in basketball this year after their coach won Coach of the Year?

How much less does Texas A&M spend? Or Texas, or any other top-tier program?

If you want to be frustrated over a loss or a failure to win a playoff game, that’s fair. But let’s not insult each other’s intelligence.

 

[VolGee4]

Kentucky Coach Mark Pope said he instructed his guys to “let Tennessee shoot” the result is like 20% from 3 including 3/18 last night.

He said this after our first game at home. There was a little different approach by both teams last night. He didn't want Chaz Lanier shooting, but Chaz went 0-7.

 

[screenthis]

I doubt he cares if it's true. It fits the narrative he chooses to believe.

This is something that makes me crazy. I was trained to think things through logically. I must check the facts behind statements. Others? They seem to readily accept information as true as long as it conforms to their 'preformed' beliefs.

 

[VolGee4]

Yeah, but how do you define average? Is that average of the face value? Average price paid by season ticket buyers? Average price through the gate? Does it include the infamous "talent fee"?

For many seats at Neyland, the face value is tiny compared to what was paid to UT. I'm sure that's true everywhere, but depending on how schools distribute the load, it may be hard to establish apples to apples.

https://www.tennesseefund.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/25-New-Ticket-Contribution-Cost.pdf

I understand, but at some point, you have to simplify it to attempt to provide comparisons. But the bottom line is that UT fans are not paying the highest ticket prices. There are quite a few other programs that charge just as much or more for their fans to attend games. People will say anything when they are emotionally upset at a loss.

 

[screenthis]

NIL is like a subscription. If you don't like it don't participate. If you don't participate please don't harp about the NIL aspects of the product. If you hate the NIL fine then hate capitalism.

If your lone complaint is about tickets be frustrated with inflation and the fact we are good not disingenuous that we aren't. Ticket prices are never high when we suck. No one ever complained about ticket prices in Dooley or Pruitt's last years except to say they should be paid to go. Oddly when they could not sell tickets there were literally threads about a preference to watch at home or not watch at all.

Lol you literally can't make these arguments up when tracked over time.

I got no beef with debate or disgust I do have a beef with knee jerk generalizations.

Is it ok that I'm not in love with pure capitalism? Yes, some of that distaste comes from 'crony capitalism'. Now, give me Capitalism where all boats rise (well, almost all) and sign me up.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Is this for football program or overall athletic programs?

 

[JCVol00]

With all due respect, this is one of the least accurate takes on our athletics. Our ticket prices are comparable, yet our results are superior.

Tell me, how good is Ohio State in baseball or basketball? They spend the most on football.

How successful is Duke in football?

How good was Auburn in football?

What kind of return is South Carolina getting in basketball this year after their coach won Coach of the Year?

How much less does Texas A&M spend? Or Texas, or any other top-tier program?

If you want to be frustrated over a loss or a failure to win a playoff game, that’s fair. But let’s not insult each other’s intelligence.

Thats pretty much what the tweet is saying. People complain that we are “too spoiled” when we complain about a loss, but we pay top dollar in season tickets, donations, 10% talent fee, we dont like seeing our teams the bed like they did last night or against uf, and the criticism against the teams is often valid

 

[screenthis]

Thats pretty much what the tweet is saying. People complain that we are “too spoiled” when we complain about a loss, but we pay top dollar in season tickets, donations, 10% talent fee, we dont like seeing our teams the bed like they did last night or against uf, and the criticism against the teams is often valid

'Most' SEC teams are, and will continue to crap the bed in this strong conference. It's kind of how basketball works. But, I will say that I'm seeing signs that we won't go very far in the NCAA tournament. Once again, that offense is going to have to be more consistent and productive.

 

[UTSuave’]

Losing to Oklahoma?!???

 

[rockytop25]

Thats pretty much what the tweet is saying. People complain that we are “too spoiled” when we complain about a loss, but we pay top dollar in season tickets, donations, 10% talent fee, we dont like seeing our teams the bed like they did last night or against uf, and the criticism against the teams is often valid

In the last calendar year ('24 Baseball, '24 Football & "24-25 Basketball) we have played 111 games total in what I consider the "big 3" for our men's athletics.

We have won 90 of those games. As a university athletic department, we have won 81% of our games in the last calendar year.

We are incredibly spoiled as a fanbase

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Assuming this is based on Baseball, Basketball and Football....not sure I agree.

Vols Football = 9th
Vols Baseball = 1st
Vols Basketball = 5th

No other SEC school finished top 10 in all 3 sports.

Bama = down football year and bad in baseball
Georgia = bad in basketball
Texas = average in baseball in Big 12 (SEC gonna be harder) bad in basketball

 

[UTProf]

Hmmm I went back downstairs to check the surgery status and he was sill “in holding” so maybe they were right about the 3pm surgery start time. It’s just that I needed to know =when are you taking him behind closed doors?”

 

[MoCo_Vol]

He said this after our first game at home. There was a little different approach by both teams last night. He didn't want Chaz Lanier shooting, but Chaz went 0-7.

Yeah and honestly Chaz just chucked up 4 or 5 at the end without really getting a clean look.

The first game we took 'em and took good looks. For whatever reason they didn't fall and we lost. Second game we almost over corrected, guys would pass up good looks from deep and drive or pass into a more difficult shot.

 

[UTSuave’]

 

[screenthis]

Looks for UT on this list...and keeps scrolling...and scrolling. I was trying to find where we rank in wins across all sports.

Best College Athletic Programs | NCSA Power Rankings

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www.ncsasports.org

 

[JohnnyD1024]

 

[UTSuave’]

Did you hear about the man who fell into an upholstery machine?

Apparently, he was hurt pretty badly, but now
he's fully recovered.

 

[SSVol]

I understand, but at some point, you have to simplify it to attempt to provide comparisons. But the bottom line is that UT fans are not paying the highest ticket prices. There are quite a few other programs that charge just as much or more for their fans to attend games. People will say anything when they are emotionally upset at a loss.

I agree that it's unlikely that we pay the highest. It is also unlikely that it's outside the top 10 and certainly won't stay there with sustained success.

People do tend to come unglued when their idols fail them. A constant reminder to myself to reevaluate my priorities. Sports is entertainment. Best not make it a god.

 

[VolGee4]

Thats pretty much what the tweet is saying. People complain that we are “too spoiled” when we complain about a loss, but we pay top dollar in season tickets, donations, 10% talent fee, we dont like seeing our teams the bed like they did last night or against uf, and the criticism against the teams is often valid

Newsflash: Our sports teams will continue to lose games. If you can't see the big picture, then go find another form of entertainment. But we aren't going undefeated in many sports in this conference.

 

[peaygolf]

1872 photo of Knoxville

 

[UTProf]

Looks for UT on this list...and keeps scrolling...and scrolling. I was trying to find where we rank in wins across all sports.

Best College Athletic Programs | NCSA Power Rankings

Explore the top college athletic programs across divisions. View the rankings now and make the right choice for your future!

www.ncsasports.org

Until recently the only thing we were good at was football and women’s basketball (and its success was due to Summitt and a separate AD). We had occasional periods where other sports would do well but a lot of that was despite the AD. No one would even bother looking for us on AD/Governor’s Cup type lists because we weren’t going to be on them.

That is finally changing as we have gotten our ish together but some of these lists are dominated by schools who earn points from sports we don’t field and we will never reach the top of them because of that. Others measure different things or compensate for schools fielding different teams.

 

[Orange.]

The guy is just an a-hole bishing. He would be bishing and ranting no matter the ticket price. The notion that whiners are going to start bishing and fahring now because of NIL or whatever other excuse is just stupid. The same people are going to go ballistic who have always gone ballistic. It has nothing to with tickets or NIL or the orbit of Saturn. We lost a basketball game.

 

[DD4ME]

Is it ok that I'm not in love with pure capitalism? Yes, some of that distaste comes from 'crony capitalism'. Now, give me Capitalism where all boats rise (well, almost all) and sign me up.

100. I don't like a ton of aspects. But the illusion that TN is not keeping up, is spending more than others, stealing money, hurting fans, etc is wild. We did not invent the situation we are just working to stay current.