Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Ten_Titans]

Dang, why could this not have been CB Bucknor or some other loser ump. This guy was probably top 3 behind the plate. Just stupid.

MLB fires ump Hoberg for shared betting account

MLB fired umpire Pat Hoberg for "sharing" legal gambling accounts with a poker player who bet on baseball. MLB said there was no evidence Hoberg bet on baseball himself.

www.espn.com

Union jobs: where there any number of ways to get fired but job performance is not one of them.

 

[Smokey123]

AD did a pretty good job carrying the Lakers in 2020 to a championship. In 2019 they were a lottery team without AD. Then in 2020 they win the championship after adding him. He also led the team in almost every stat outside of assists and was overwhelmingly the best player on the team according to the advanced stats.

LeBron only outplayed him in the Finals against an overmatched Heat team which allowed him to steal the Finals MVP. But for the totality of that season and playoff run AD was the clear cut best player on that Lakers team according to every metric.

Also that’s just completely and 100% wrong. Bron had a higher offrtg, lower defrtg, higher PIE. But congrats he averaged 1 more point per game, which earlier you said stats don’t matter to you

 

[Smokey123]

My man deserves some recognition

He’s always overlooked. Also helps with my parlays

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Pretty surprising, but I'll take it

Don’t know that I would put Houston over UF.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Good thing I have 16 chickens.

 

[TrippieRedd]

He’s always overlooked. Also helps with my parlays

Very few consistent money makers, he is definitely one of them.

 

[OrangeMoundTNVol]

I think this might be the one for real that hits the limits we tried to set for Nico.

Definitely, although I believe Nico hits his ceiling next season. But Nico was all camp and 7 on 7 hype, HS ball never really translated, was understood he needed development. This kid has breezed through HS ball and won at everything he’s competed in. Also has a bigger frame and more running ability, this kid is Cam Newton.

 

[OrangeMoundTNVol]

Aka Ryan Day back calling plays

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I will admit in their head to head playoff matchups recently Jokic has dominated AD. But in terms of overall impact I would still prefer having an elite two way big like AD on my team than the defensive liability that is Jokic.

I think it's easier to build a championship team around AD than Jokic. I also think you can add AD to more teams and they instantly get better versus Jokic whose lack of defense would be problematic.

There isn’t a single team in the NBA that would trade Jokic for AD. Not a single one. AD has zero MVPs. Joker has 3 out of the last 5. AD did absolutely nothing before he teamed with LeBron. Another one of your insane takes.

 

[TheRain]

They also made some stew out of it.

 

[TheRain]

 

[orangefloyd]

Wow. I didn’t think there were this many NBA fans left.

 

[GVol1966]

I’m with D4H on this one. Don’t see how Luka and LBJ coexist. There’s only one ball. On offense, they both want it. On defense, they both ignore it.

Makes no sense to me for the Lakers.

LeBron is eligible for social security and Luka’s 25.
They won’t be co existing for long.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Jokic is the best player in the NBA right now, I don't care what he does on defense.

If you don't care about defense then don't talk about NBA basketball. Instead focus on fantasy sports. Because in real basketball defense is 50% of the game. And you can't be the best in a sport when you're not great for 50% of it.

Jokic is the greatest compiler of stats in NBA history. That's what got yall fooled. You can't get over the box score numbers and actually just analyze the game using your eyes. Defense matters and the only way to evaluate defense is to watch the games. And I dare anyone to watch Jokic play pick n rolls defense or rim protect and tell me he isn't terrible. Jokic's poor defense is the main reason the Nuggets aren't the best team in the league.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

AD has 7 seasons without bron. 5 losing season, 1 sweep in the first round and 1 1-4 in round two. But congrats he wins game with bron. That’s really hard to do

Even LeBron never won anything without 2 other Hall of Famers on his team. Winning by yourself is hard in the NBA. Nobody has ever done it. Let's see what AD does with Kyrie now. This Mavericks team will be the best supporting cast he's ever had outside of the 2019-20 Lakers.

 

[Weezer]

If you don't care about defense then don't talk about NBA basketball. Instead focus on fantasy sports. Because in real basketball defense is 50% of the game. And you can't be the best in a sport when you're not great for 50% of it.

Jokic is the greatest compiler of stats in NBA history. That's what got yall fooled. You can't get over the box score numbers and actually just analyze the game using your eyes. Defense matters and the only way to evaluate defense is to watch the games. And I dare anyone to watch Jokic play pick n rolls defense or rim protect and tell me he isn't terrible. Jokic's poor defense is the main reason the Nuggets aren't the best team in the league.

Remind me again which teams you consult and scout for

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Jokic is 4th in the NBA in steals per game.

3rd in ppg.

2nd assists pg.

3rd rebounds pg.

Steals don't make you a good defender. If it did the Nuggets wouldn't be 25th in the league in scoring defense.

Jokic is the greatest stat padder in NBA history. I'll give him that. But I have had the fortune to actually watch him play. And his defense is so putrid it makes me lose appreciation for his offensive brilliance. If you could only play one side of the ball in basketball like you do in football I might consider Jokic the GOAT center. But unfortunately for him defense is 50% of the game. And I can't say with a good conscience that a guy as bad as him defensively is the best player in the league regardless of how good his stats are.

I beg you to just watch Jokic playing defense on pick n rolls and protecting the rim against players driving the basketball and then get back to me. You'll be so disgusted by his lack of defense you'll agree with me. It's honestly embarrassing watching him try to guard.

 

[Smokey123]

Even LeBron never won anything without 2 other Hall of Famers on his team. Winning by yourself is hard in the NBA. Nobody has ever done it. Let's see what AD does with Kyrie now. This Mavericks team will be the best supporting cast he's ever had outside of the 2019-20 Lakers.

Lebron james took plenty of terrible teams deep into the playoffs. Including making it to the finals. Murray and MPJ were out all season and Jokic still lead them to a 50 win season.

But I already know your response will be “who cares they didn’t win the finals” as if there’s no difference between going 30-52 and losing in the finals

 

[Weezer]

Some people, and I'm not gonna say who, are just outta they damn mind.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Also that’s just completely and 100% wrong. Bron had a higher offrtg, lower defrtg, higher PIE. But congrats he averaged 1 more point per game, which earlier you said stats don’t matter to you

LOL. Here are all the advanced stats cited by basketball-reference.com (the leading basketball stats website):

AD - 27.4 PER, 61.0 TS%, 6.7 offensive win shares, 4.4 defensive win shares, 11.1 win shares, .250 win shares per 48 mins, 5.4 offensive box score plus/minus, 2.6 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.0 box score plus/minus, 5.4 Value Over Replacement

Anthony Davis Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Anthony Davis. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

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LeBron - 25.5 PER, 57.7 TS%, 6.2 offensive win shares, 3.6 defensive win shares, 9.8 win shares, .204 win shares per 48 mins, 6.6 offensive box score plus/minus, 1.8 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.4 box score plus/minus, 6.1 Value Over Replacement

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

Anthony Davis leads him in every advanced stat outside of offensive box score plus/minus, box score plus/minus, and value over replacement. That's a 7 to 3 advantage for AD. And the only reason LeBron leads in those 3 categories is because of his higher usage rate. For the season LeBron had a usage rate of 31.5% to AD's 29.3%. It's why in the advanced stats that take usage rate like PER, AD leads LeBron.

No matter how you slice it Anthony Davis was the best player on the 2019-20 Lakers according to the TOTALITY of the advanced stats.

 

[Smokey123]

LOL. Here are all the advanced stats cited by basketball-reference.com (the leading basketball stats website):

AD - 27.4 PER, 61.0 TS%, 6.7 offensive win shares, 4.4 defensive win shares, 11.1 win shares, .250 win shares per 48 wins, 5.4 offensive box score plus/minus, 2.6 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.0 box score plus/minus, 5.4 Value Over Replacement

Anthony Davis Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Anthony Davis. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

www.basketball-reference.com

LeBron - 25.5 PER, 57.7 TS%, 6.2 offensive win shares, 3.6 defensive win shares, 9.8 win shares, .204 win shares per 48 wins, 6.6 offensive box score plus/minus, 1.8 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.4 box score plus/minus, 6.1 Value Over Replacement

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

Anthony Davis leads him in every advanced stat outside of offensive box score plus/minus, box score plus/minus, and value over replacement. That's a 7 to 3 advantage for AD. And the only reason LeBron leads in those 3 categories is because of his higher usage rate. For the season LeBron had a usage rate of 31.5% to AD's 29.3%. It's why in the advanced stats that take usage rate like PER, AD leads LeBron.

No matter how you slice it Anthony Davis was the best player on the 2019-20 Lakers according to the TOYALITY of the advanced stats.

Uses basketball reference for advanced stats that explains a lot

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

There isn’t a single team in the NBA that would trade Jokic for AD. Not a single one. AD has zero MVPs. Joker has 3 out of the last 5. AD did absolutely nothing before he teamed with LeBron. Another one of your insane takes.

You mean the same NBA that passed on Jokic for the entire first round in the 2014 draft? Citing what NBA teams would do isn't a good argument considering how many mistakes they make.

If Jokic is better than AD surely he should be able to advance further in the playoffs this year than AD on the Mavs? You just told me AD has never won anything without LeBron. So if he wins the West with Kyrie then what would you say?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lebron james took plenty of terrible teams deep into the playoffs. Including making it to the finals.

In the weak Eastern Conference. The same conference in which Jimmy Butler recently led 2 Heat teams to the Finals without another superstar. And in which Kawhi in his only season on the Raptors won a championship.

Since coming out West LeBron has missed the playoffs more often than he has made the Finals. The fugazi east is the only reason LeBron made it far with those teams. In the Western Conference those Cavs teams would have been eliminated in the first round.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Uses basketball reference for advanced stats that explains a lot

It's the leading basketball stats website. Plus argue against the content of what I posted. Unlike you who cherry picked certain stats to advance an agenda. I simply posted every advanced stat that the leading basketball stats website has listed. And when looking at those stats, the numbers are clear. Anthony Davis led the Lakers is most statistical categories.

 

[Smokey123]

In the weak Eastern Conference. The same conference in which Jimmy Butler recently led 2 Heat teams to the Finals without another superstar. And in which Kawhi in his only season on the Raptors won a championship.

Since coming out West LeBron has missed the playoffs more often than he has made the Finals. The fugazi east is the only reason LeBron made it far with those teams. In the Western Conference those Cavs teams would have been eliminated in the first round.