Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lakers won this trade in the long run…..Luka is a generational player that LA can build their future around.

Disagree. I think he's James Harden from Slovenia. Overweight no defense playing stat padder who isn't gonna lead you to championships. Harden is at least durable. Luka ain't even that.

Neither are all-time great players. They just put up stats that fools those who understand basketball into thinking they are better than they really are.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lebron and Wade co-existed. Curry and Durant co-existed. Westbrook and Durant co-existed and the list is endless. Lebron is a play maker that elevates his teammates

Neither Curry nor Durant were ball dominant playmakers. LeBron and Wade only started to co-exist after Wade took a step back and started playing more off the ball. When both players were at their best taking turns in 2011 they got beat by Dallas. The success only started when one took a step back. Durant and Russ never won a title so I would argue they didn't really thrive together. Durant definitely got better at Golden State.

LeBron makes spot up shooters better. He has no track record of making superstars better. Almost every star who has played alongside him has had to sacrifice their game for LeBron's benefit. Especially bigs like Bosh and Love.

 

[Smokey123]

The league is so soft right now he's top 5 by default. Only Giannis, Wenbanyama, and Tatum are elite two way players. I ain't putting someone who’s a liability on defense above AD no matter how much they stat pad.

Ant is a better defender than Tatum and is just as good offensively. SGA is a better defender and better offensively.

 

[Smokey123]

Neither Curry nor Durant were ball dominant playmakers. LeBron and Wade only started to co-exist after Wade took a step back and started playing more off the ball. When both players were at their best taking turns in 2011 they got beat by Dallas. The success only started when one took a step back. Durant and Russ never won a title so I would argue they didn't really thrive together. Durant definitely got better at Golden State.

LeBron makes spot up shooters better. He has no track record of making superstars better. Almost every star who has played alongside him has had to sacrifice their game for LeBron's benefit. Especially bigs like Bosh and Love.

Curry and Durant are very ball dominant lol

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Good for us

Lost their OC and DC after winning the NC. If I were an OSU fan I would be pissed.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

The league is so soft right now he's top 5 by default. Only Giannis, Wenbanyama, and Tatum are elite two way players. I ain't putting someone whose a liability on defense above AD no matter how much they stat pad.

lol. Weeny isn’t elite. AD isn’t too 10 in the NBA.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Ant is a better defender than Tatum and is just as good offensively. SGA is a better defender and better offensively.

Forgot Edwards. You're right about him though I think Tatum is more consistent right now. SGA is a question mark for me. He's good but I don't see elite. I think he just has a nice supporting cast. I don't think he's as good as Edwards and Tatum.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Curry and Durant are very ball dominant lol

No they're not. Curry plays off-ball a lot running around screens. Durant can run an offense but he can also play off-ball as a catch and shoot player. Obviously they are great players so they'll have the ball alot. But they can also play off ball. Guys like LeBron and Luka are more ball dominant because they can't play off the ball. Plus both are point forwards who want to run an offense while Durant and Curry are more pure scorers.

 

[VolXr1]

Small sample sizes are not dispositive. Let's see how they do the rest of the year. If the Lakers thrive then I'll admit I was wrong. I just don't see how having two redundant ball dominant zero defense wings makes you a better team.

Sure Luka made it to the Finals last year but they were dominated in the championship round showing they weren't actually that close. They just benefitted from favorable matchups last year in a not so good western conference. Their lack of success this year is proof last year was fugazi. Just like how the Timberwolves were in the West Finals last year but not a contender this year. Both teams were fool's gold in 2024.

Timberwolves traded KAT for Randle... that hurt em more than ppl thought. Every sport is bout the match ups. Esp in the tournament/playoffs.. March Madness is a prime example. Luck of the draw. He still led em to the finals idc if they played high school teams. they was also no team beating the Celtics last yr.

 

[Smokey123]

Forgot Edwards. You're right about him though I think Tatum is more consistent right now. SGA is a question mark for me. He's good but I don't see elite. I think he just has a nice supporting cast. I don't think he's as good as Edwards and Tatum.

How do you forget Edwards?
Lmfaoooooooooooooo. SGA might literally be the best player in the world right now. “He’s good but I don’t see elite” is the most insane thing I’ve ever seen in my entire life. Thats the worst take you could have ever stated. Wtf

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

lol. Weeny isn’t elite. AD isn’t too 10 in the NBA.

If Wembanyama stops shooting so many 3s and gets his butt in the paint he'd be the best player in the NBA right now. He's already elite. That's not up for debate. He's the best defensive player in the NBA. That paired with his offense makes him top 5 in my eyes.

Defense matters.

 

[Smokey123]

No they're not. Curry plays off-ball a lot running around screens. Durant can run an offense but he can also play off-ball as a catch and shoot player. Obviously they are great players so they'll have the ball alot. But they can also play off ball. Guys like LeBron and Luka are more ball dominant because they can't play off the ball. Plus both are point forwards who want to run an offense while Durant and Curry are more pure scorers.

You realize lebron is elite off the ball, right? Just bcuz someone is a good off ball player doesn’t mean they aren’t ball dominate. Analytics have him as one of the best in the league still. And rn reaves has been running the point a lot. You clearly are just yapping now.

I take back my previous comment about ur SGA take. Saying Lebron can’t play off ball is 10000000 times worse

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

How do you forget Edwards?
Lmfaoooooooooooooo. SGA might literally be the best player in the world right now. “He’s good but I don’t see elite” is the most insane thing I’ve ever seen in my entire life. Thats the worst take you could have ever stated. Wtf

Just because you're on the best team doesn't make you the best player. SGA has to prove to me he can actually lead a team when it counts. When I watch him play I don't see an elite player the way I do when I see Edwards or Tatum. We'll see if he can step up this year in the playoffs. If he does I'll give him his props.

I'm just not enamored by stats like yall. I watch the games and try to see how the player impacts the game. When I watch OKC I see a good team with a bunch of good pieces. SGA never quite pops out to me as an elite difference maker.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You realize lebron is elite off the ball, right? Just bcuz someone is a good off ball player doesn’t mean they aren’t ball dominate. Analytics have him as one of the best in the league still. And rn reaves has been running the point a lot. You clearly are just yapping now.

I take back my previous comment about ur SGA take. Saying Lebron can’t play off ball is 10000000 times worse

LeBron elite off the ball? When has he ever played off the ball for you to make such a determination? One to two plays a game doesn't make you elite. Elite off ball players are guys like Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen whose bread and butter was running around screens looking for catch and shoot opportunities.

When's the last time you saw Bron running around screens? LOL.

 

[Smokey123]

Just because you're on the best team doesn't make you the best player. SGA has to prove to me he can actually lead a team when it counts. When I watch him play I don't see an elite player the way I do when I see Edwards or Tatum. We'll see if he can step up this year in the playoffs. If he does I'll give him his props.

I'm just not enamored by stats like yall. I watch the games and try to see how the player impacts the game. When I watch OKC I see a good team with a bunch of good pieces. SGA never quite pops out to me as an elite difference maker.

SGA was elite and finished top 5 MVP before he had a great supporting cast and his team was average. Your comments tonight show you clearly don’t watch games

 

[Smokey123]

LeBron elite off the ball? When has he ever played off the ball for you to make such a determination? One to two plays a game doesn't make you elite. Elite off ball players are guys like Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen whose bread and butter was running around screens looking for catch and shoot opportunities.

When's the last time you saw Bron running around screens? LOL.

You don’t watch games.

 

[SaguaroVols]

Luka for AD is a helluva trade.

Hot take….Dallas vs Lakers match up in playoffs. Should be fun to watch. Kyrie/AD vs Luka/LBJ in a 5/7 game series.

 

[Orange.]

As the farmer was walking to his stables, he heard all the horses neighing, but one sounded raspy. "Are you okay?" the farmer asked.

"Yeah,” his pony replied. “I'm just a little hoarse,"

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You don’t watch games.

Unfortunately I do. I have a lot of free time on my hands despite how unbearable NBA basketball is to watch nowadays. You seem to be the one that doesn't watch since you made the fallacious claim that LeBron is an "elite" off-ball player. I would argue saying he's even good off the ball is unsupported. You decided to take it to the extreme by saying he was elite. I wouldn't even say Jordan or Kobe were elite off the ball offensive players despite them playing off ball way more than LeBron who is arguably the most ball dominant player in NBA history.

 

[Smokey123]

Unfortunately I do. I have a lot of free time on my hands despite how unbearable NBA basketball is to watch nowadays. You seem to be the one that doesn't watch since you made the fallacious claim that LeBron is an "elite" off-ball player. I would argue saying he's even good off the ball is unsupported. You decided to take it to the extreme by saying he was elite. I wouldn't even say Jordan or Kobe were elite off the ball offensive players despite them playing off ball way more than LeBron who is arguably the most ball dominant player in NBA history.

Again. Just because someone is ball dominant doesn’t mean they aren’t good off ball. That’s not the way that works.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If Wembanyama stops shooting so many 3s and gets his butt in the paint he'd be the best player in the NBA right now. He's already elite. That's not up for debate. He's the best defensive player in the NBA. That paired with his offense makes him top 5 in my eyes.

Defense matters.

Guess that’s why he won DPOTY

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Unfortunately I do. I have a lot of free time on my hands despite how unbearable NBA basketball is to watch nowadays. You seem to be the one that doesn't watch since you made the fallacious claim that LeBron is an "elite" off-ball player. I would argue saying he's even good off the ball is unsupported. You decided to take it to the extreme by saying he was elite. I wouldn't even say Jordan or Kobe were elite off the ball offensive players despite them playing off ball way more than LeBron who is arguably the most ball dominant player in NBA history.

LeBron even at his age is one of the best off the ball players in the NBA. You keep on proving your knowledge is very limited.

 

[Weezer]

Why is this thread still alive? Portal season is over!

 

[Weezer]

All I know is that I’ve seen a multitude of posts by our NFL fans here for a month or more saying that this is a very bad year for quarterbacks and that there is only one (Cam Ward) who has any chance at all in the NFL. Teams should skip them all, basically. It looks like that site wants to attribute this situation solely and entirely to Arch. If the view about this year’s QB class is correct, the latter claim seems less than completely honest about the cause, even if Arch will be highly sought. Unless they are hinting at the real cause by putting “cause” in quote marks. Idk. Is it Arch’s fault that people aren’t fighting over Milroe, for example?

I have no idea who is behind that site or anything about their other takes.

Having a Manning QB the Titans is intriguing, but all this hype for Arch and he hasn't done a damn thing.

Arch with the Saints would also be intriguing.

 

[KB5252]

Are there any wildlife resource officers on the board? I have a question about hunting with dogs. The point is moot for now but if it ever comes up again I'd like to be confident in my position.

Had some hunters come right up to my property line treeing raccoons last night late. Had my half blind horse pushing through a fence causing some injury and my livestock guardian dogs and goats were completely freaked out and jumping off stall walls etc.

They were within 20 yards of my house and 10 of my horse. I raised hell with them and told them if they didn't leave and hunt somewhere else on that property I'd see to it they never got permission again.

The property owner was pretty pissed at them when I told him what happened and hassle he gave me

Crazy thing is I don't care that he hunts raccoon. It actually helps me, I've lost more than a few chickens to them. I just can't have them that close to my livestock guardians and other animals and causing injuries. Not to mention hunting that close to my house......... Found it very disrespectful.

I wanted to know what the law says, what I have found is somewhat ambiguous.