Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Jackcrevol]

For sure some weird takes on Larry Bird

3x All-Defensive
3x MVP
2x Finals MVP
10x All-NBA
12x All Star
ROY
3x Champ

A career 49.6% FG, 37.6% 3PT, 88.6% FT those numbers should have him in the "greatest shooter of all time" debate...not acting like he couldn't play in today's game.

All that while playing in the same era as Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Dr. J, Kareem, Ewing, Robinson etc.

 

[apevol]

Bird wasn't a defender, he was only good at shooting 3s when no one was guarding him.

Bird was more than adequate at team defense (significantly better than magic). Most of his 3s were ill advised shots at the end of the clock. Sometimes he'd shoot it in someone's face to prove a point.

His prime athletecism is on par with the modern NBA average, and that was never what his game depended on.

Bird was a nasty dude and could play in any era.

 

[screenthis]

Bird wasn't a defender, he was only good at shooting 3s when no one was guarding him.

Still poking the bear, I see.

 

[Vol423]

For sure some weird takes on Larry Bird

3x All-Defensive
3x MVP
2x Finals MVP
10x All-NBA
12x All Star
ROY
3x Champ

A career 49.6% FG, 37.6% 3PT, 88.6% FT those numbers should have him in the "greatest shooter of all time" debate...not acting like he couldn't play in today's game.

All that while playing in the same era as Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Dr. J, Kareem, Ewing, Robinson etc.

Larry Bird was amazing, and he would be a star in any era of basketball. He just isn't the GOAT - that would be MJ.

 

[apevol]

Larry Bird was amazing. He just isn't the GOAT - that would be MJ.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Larry Bird was amazing, and he would be a star in any era of basketball. He just isn't the GOAT - that would be MJ.

 

[rikberry31]

The perv got a 6 year extension for $40 million+ . Golden have all those co-eds on E-Mail now...

Man, if Lane hears about this. Florida becomes his new destination job and he preemptively starts sending dick pics to FU coeds. He'll want out of Oxford bad, I mean they canned Freeze for just for a couple of hookers on the school dime.
Seriously FU has to be Deviant U. Mullen's wife, the water polo coach feeling up his players, Lap Dance Urban, Shark Humper, and God can only guess what Muschamp was into. Lane's true dream destination.

 

[screenthis]

Larry Bird was amazing, and he would be a star in any era of basketball. He just isn't the GOAT - that would be MJ.

It's somewhat folly to try and name the one best player of all time in Sports. Though, Jordan can make a strong case. I'd still say someone like Magic has a great case as well in a different roll. Now, who is the GOAT in Football? Baseball? Soccer? Do we all agree that Tiger is the GOAT in golf?

 

[knoxvol52]

It's somewhat folly to try and name the one best player of all time in Sports. Though, Jordan can make a strong case. I'd still say someone like Magic has a great case as well in a different roll. Now, who is the GOAT in Football? Baseball? Soccer? Do we all agree that Tiger is the GOAT in golf?

Football - Roger Staubach
Baseball - Will be Shoehei Ohtani
Soccer - Maradona
Hockey-Gretzky
Men Tennis-Roger Federer
Women's Tennis-Steffi Graf
Bowling-Earl Anthony
Olympics -Carl Lewis and Micheal Phelps.
Bicycling-Greg LeMond
Alpine Skier-Franz Klammer
Billiards- Minnesota Fats
Poker- Phil Hellmuth

 

[Vol423]

Football - Roger Staubach
Baseball - Will be Shoehei Ohtani
Soccer - Maradona
Hockey-Gretzky

LMAO at the claim that Roger Staubach is the GOAT.

 

[knoxvol52]

LMAO at the claim that Roger Staubach is the GOAT.

The greatest......and don't you forget it.

 

[screenthis]

LMAO at the claim that Roger Staubach is the GOAT.

As a lifelong cowboy supporter, I must support the vote for Staubach.

 

[Vol423]

As a lifelong cowboy supporter, I must support the vote for Staubach.

You know you're talking to an older Cowboys fan if Staubach even gets mentioned in a discussion as the NFL GOAT.

 

[knoxvol52]

As a lifelong cowboy supporter, I must support the vote for Staubach.

Most probably pick Tom Brady

 

[Enki_Amenra]

bird certainly deserves to be in discussion as one of the greatest. but he isn't the goat

The Goat? He's the Bird.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I think this should be settled in a UFC match. Not one of these newer weight division UFC matches, but one of the original one size fits all bare knuckle matches. . .

Really though, I think Bird would probably beat the crap out of any of the guys he's being compared to.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Larry Bird was amazing, and he would be a star in any era of basketball. He just isn't the GOAT - that would be MJ.

Not every discussion has to come back to who is the GOAT.

Just giving Larry his flowers man, nothing more.

 

[Vol423]

Not every discussion has to come back to who is the GOAT.

Just giving Larry his flowers man, nothing more.

Okay, but up-thread somebody claimed he was the GOAT.

 

[GVol1966]

Like Luka and Jokic?

Exactly. Puts to bed the “younger “ generation of fans that think the “athletes “ of today would dominate the greatest players to play.
Jokic has how many MVP’s ? And his 42 point 20 rebounds last night show he is still dominating.
He’s in the same athletic category as Bird, Magic.
Skills pay the bills!!!

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Most probably pick Tom Brady

Honestly for me it's hard to pick a QB for GOAT in football.

I'd have a hard time not going with Reggie White and on offense Jerry Rice is hard to dispute when you see the sort of separation between him and the next guy in every major category.

5,403 yards
41 touchdowns

Rice is basically Calvin Ridley's entire career so far (6 years) better than the 2nd best guy... that's just wild

 

[volinexile17]

Bird wasn't a defender, he was only good at shooting 3s when no one was guarding him.

He led the league in defensive win share 4x and was one of the best in the league for 7 years. To the extent anyone cares about those nerd stats.

 

[knoxvol52]

He led the league in defensive win share 4x and was one of the best in the league for 7 years. To the extent anyone cares about those nerd stats.

 

[SugarCC]

Thank you @SugarCC ! That's the kind of information Laker fans gloss over. Their hatred for the Celtics blinds them to facts. It makes it impossible to have a debate about "who's the best" when factual information is not part of the conversation. Because if it was just about the facts, then everyone would have seen by now that I'm 100% right about LARRY BIRD BEING THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME.

I understand what you're saying, Possum, I do. I have always said that if Bird would have been able to have 4 or 5 more seasons at his peak, I truly believe he'd be either right there next to MJ, or ahead...that's how good he was. For those in the back, and even @knoxvol52 would probably agree with me here...THERE. WAS. NOT. A. SINGLE. FLAW. TO. BIRD'S. GAME...not a single one. Again...Larry Bird had NO FLAWS in his game. He truly was a perfect player. Size, skill, brain, heart, drive, will, cutthroat, savage...and, his athleticism has always been underrated. How many times have people said, ignorantly, "He couldn't play defense"?? Whenever someone says that, it shows they know absolutely nothing, and the conversation should end there with them.

MJ is the only other player in history (that I've seen, of course) that I've ever said that about. Only reason I do not say that about Magic, he couldn't shoot or score like MJ and Bird. Now, dont get me wrong, Magic could score anytime he felt like it, just not like MJ or Bird...Magic wasn't the consistent scorer they were. Scoring wasn't his game.

But, since Bird's career WAS cut short, MJ is most definitely above him. I count the short career against Bird...but, only against MJ. Magic was about near a perfect player, too; but, his shooting and defense drops him way below MJ and Bird. Magic's probably the greatest leader of all time though.

 

[SugarCC]

Like Luka and Jokic?

Thing is, Bird was way more athletic than those two dudes combined.

 

[Vol423]

also. . .

Larry Bird couldn't get on the court with today's athletes. . .

That's preposterous.