Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[csprig9]

I wish I could demand a x3 increase in my pay lol

Edit: and actually receive it.

No **** right lol

 

[TrippieRedd]

Not that it matters, but are we on this?

 

[knoxvol52]

Hi, Paul!

Paul Finebaum bigger than hell...

 

[drvenner]

Ok guys, gals, I made myself a burbon display cabinet. I still have to add glass insert doors. View attachment 709329

That cabinet can hold a lot of bourbon. I would still worry about it getting tipsy.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The reason it would stand up in courts is because there is a bargaining agreement. That’s the solid foundation the NFL relies on. Without it you get what CFB is now. You still see some of it with some few players in some form or fashion saying they just won’t play. But not to the level of what is happening in CFB. The first MAJOR step for CFB to “fix” the portal is to create a bargaining agreement between the schools and players. Literally making an NFL-lite. And this brings on so many other issues for instance “why should I pay the prices I see now for such a mediocre product compared to the NFL?”.

To be honest I think we fans should be throwing the blame at our universities not the NCAA. From what I’ve read and come to understand it’s the universities that tell the NCAA what to do and how to govern. Not the other way around.

Yes, I believe there will be a collective bargaining agreement.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I agree with @TN-POSSUM that players should be able to transfer ONE time without penalty but you have to sit out a year just like in past if transferring a 2nd time. The chaos of I can go to 4 different schools in 4 years to follow the money is insane to me.

I think there should be multi-year contracts. They can transfer after the contract is up or pay a price.

 

[Smokey123]

Boo aint transferring lol

 

[crazyguy]

Why should there be multi year agreements for what will amount to someone’s first job out of high school? Do y'all listen to yourselves? Heck, the average tenure in tech careers right now is 1.5 years.

 

[Volnut]

 

[InVOLuntary]

What they are doing now isn't NIL or at least what NIL was originally designed to be. I'm all aboard on an athlete or anyone who can sell their worth to a business who wants representation and a positive monetary ROI. That isn't what is happening by and large. What we have now are proxy organizations for each school, raising money and enacting fan taxes, with no oversight or accountability. NIL was originally about an athlete being able to go into the public business sphere to market themselves based upon their association with college athletics and whatever worth might be assigned to that association by those entities. Name, Image, Likeness. What we are doing right now isn't that except in rare cases.

Oh, I agree but it's impossible to regulate that. What is truly NIL and pay for play.

 

[Vols410]

Its no secret most of CFB has figured out how to handle every part of the portal better than UT.


AU sucks every yr now and they are lapping Tennessee

That simply isn’t true. Fans just don’t have a good grasp on what offseason success looks like in the portal era.

FSU / Ole Miss were portal winners last year. FSU was hot garbage and OM missed the playoffs. LSU, Auburn, Louisville didn’t do anything. Meanwhile, our staff prioritizes fit, keeps the players they can, let the Tyler Barons of the world go, and makes the playoff. We’ll do it again next year.

The other programs make bigger splashes than we do, but the records say that Tennessee is the one that has figured out how to handle the portal.

It doesn’t look as good right now, but it’s working. I trust our current AD, staff, and culture to thrive in this landscape more than just about anyone in college football.

 

[screenthis]

I think there should be multi-year contracts. They can transfer after the contract is up or pay a price.

Agreed. There needs to be some form of control over the current situation. It doesn't work for the sport overall. Thus, some coaches are getting out fast.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think other teams get dirty and actively pursue players on other teams, probably all throughout the season. I dont think the Vols get their hands dirty.

 

[drvenner]

Definitely wish the young man well

 

[Jimmy Football]

I think other teams get dirty and actively pursue players on other teams, probably all throughout the season. I dont think the Bols get their hands dirty.

I think this is true. Maybe the staff has scruples, or maybe Rick’s and Tony’s tampering run-ins spooked the AD (though I’m pretty sure they are both still tampering.)

 

[knoxvol52]

I think other teams get dirty and actively pursue players on other teams, probably all throughout the season. I dont think the Bols get their hands dirty.

Well maybe Vols should get down and dirty. If you can't beat them join them..

 

[drvenner]

I'll see you fellers down the road.

I am not going to be able to handle the cancerous toxicity, venomous vitriol, and pure corrosive stupidity that I know is going to fill this place for a long time.


Before I go...I'm going to say this to all those good ol Vols in understandable hurt and despair, and also to the loud mouthed, totally imbecilic Idiot Margin that want to tear apart Josh Heupel and his staff, and everything that Josh Heupel and his staff have near miraculously accomplished in far faster time than anybody with a functioning brain thought possible..

On Jan 2 1998 we had just gotten completely embarrassed 42-17 by a loaded Nebraska team that had been rolling through CFB like a combine through a field of corn for years and years.

All of us have forgotten how we felt at the moment..but deep in the night I remembered...it came back to me.

We were losing our all-everything QB, we all thought our defense had been exposed as a total soft fraud, and we were losing a few important pieces off of that defense including our all-everything 1st round draft pick defensive end.

Nobody talks about this much since then...but the future did not look bright, we all thought we had blown our shot...that we were frauds..and so did the country...but..

Twelve months and two days later...on January the 4th 1998 we stood on the top of CFB as undefeated National Champions.

We know we have a long way to go...but tearing everything apart and going nuclear toxic is completely stupid.

See y'all later...UEM out

Excellent post

 

[WangoTango]

Oh, I agree but it's impossible to regulate that. What is truly NIL and pay for play.

As others have stated, the transfer portal is the driver of this wild west scenario that we are playing out right now. It would be simple for the schools to come together and enact non compete clauses in all of their "NIL" contracts. If you transfer, you cannot play for one year, you lose a year of eligibility and you cannot receive money from the school to which you are transferring until your one year is up. If you can go into the free market and find an investor during that one year period, have at it. That wouldn't totally solve it but it would be a somewhat strong deterrent and better than it is right now, IMO.

 

[rockytop25]

Go be great D Samp

 

[volinbama256]

If we get outbid for this NW kid, in a huge position of need... that tells me we aren't in this like other teams to get serious and take the next step on trying to win championships. So many other schools seem to have unlimited funds, yet for whatever true reason (I keep reading different takes) we won't pony up, then the staff and fans need to expect to get what they get, eventually regressing on the field.

In before someone churps about "well, if we pay him a lot, then we have to worry about paying the other current players in that position group"... nah, that's not flying anymore, all teams have to deal with the same thing, yet they are finding ways to keep the roster mostly intact and still have the big money to throw around. See programs like ohst, oregon, tx, Ole miss, AU, etc who are clearly paying out the arse to keep who they have, yet are throwing around big money to get who they want. Us, we're apparently not going to play that game... that's fine, but you can't have it both ways, so when the talent gap starts to widen because we won't or can't pay, then no excuses from the staff or AD as to why we aren't winning.

 

[volinbama256]

I think other teams get dirty and actively pursue players on other teams, probably all throughout the season. I dont think the Bols get their hands dirty.

and if we don't play the game (right or wrong), then it's going to eventually bite us in the arse. I think unfortunately we are going to need to play the game, no matter what the rules are, if we are going to get to the next level.

 

[Type Orange+]

Well maybe Vols should get down and dirty. If you can't beat them join them..

I don't think Coach Heupel would stoop to that.
I believe he has clean hands and a clear conscience and will keep it that way.

 

[drvenner]

TE Holden Staes enters Portal.

Holden Leaves?

 

[JCVol00]

Sampson is my favorite rb that I’ve watched at ut. He is truly one of the best rb’s in school history and I hope he becomes a hall of famer. Easily top 3 rb in school history behind Travis Henry and maybe Travis Stephens

 

[UTProf]

Yep, unless we overpay this is what we get. These kids are surrounded by family leeches and people who want to take advantage of their marketability.

Family leeches aren’t new. What’s new is we opened up college football to agents. That’s always what the court fight was about. Players were always getting money and benefits.