Recruiting Classes: Frost & Heupel

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#26
Jpcisco said:
If Heupel is as good a recruiter as Frost, with the resources and brand Tennessee has, Heupel should have no problem here. Frost is pulling in top 25 classes at Nebraska, if Heupel is just as good, you would assume he could pull in top 25 classes at UT as well.
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I think there's no way you can do any worse than top 25 at Tennessee.

Especially if recruits know we are going to have a high octane offense.
 
#27
#27
DonDiego said:
Some are saying the reason Heupel did well at UCF, especially his first two years, is because of Frost's recruiting before him--riding coat tails. OP is pointing out that Heupel recruited at a higher level than Frost.
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Thank you
 
#29
#29
Pride85 said:
This group will not be happy with top 25 classes. They will want him fired the first time his recruiting class falls outside the top five.
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Given the sanctions and everything UT is going to be facing, a top 25 finish would make me happy the first couple years. If Heupel starts winning those classes can be top 5-10.
 
#30
#30
Y9 Vol said:
How the heck does this excite ANYONE?????
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Well, we don't really know how much Covid had an effect this past year. Plus all their losses were close in the three years Heupel coached. So there's not enough evidence to say Heupel isn't a good coach or in a downward slope.
 
#34
#34
Comparing recruiting at UCF vs. Tennessee is like comparing apples and oranges. Much different history, reputation, and facilities. His recruiting numbers should improve at Tennessee.
 
#36
#36
What is Heupel 's stance on alternate unis? Some coaches use that as a recruiting tool.........right?
 
#38
#38
DiderotsGhost said:
Not sure why OP left it out, but Heupel's 2021 class at UCF had a rating of 0.8436.

Also some of the OP's numbers are wrong. 2018 was 0.8364 and that class had more to do with Frost than Heupel.

It's also a bit confusing to throw the ratings out there without context (e.g. rankings). Just meaningless numbers w/o the context.
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Agree. I sold more Edsel’s than anyone on our staff and that was not our main product line.
 
#40
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dcm3w said:
Well, we don't really know how much Covid had an effect this past year. Plus all their losses were close in the three years Heupel coached. So there's not enough evidence to say Heupel isn't a good coach or in a downward slope.
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Roll up your britches boys...it's getting deeeeeep.
 
#41
#41
BigOrangeTrain said:
Is that sound logic though? Normally it would be. However, Heupel is walking into a much,much worse situation than ANY HC IN TN history has had to deal with.
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Knoxville is surrounded with talent. Atlanta, Nashville, Memphis, Florida, etc....Nebraska??? Not really a hotbed of talent. If Heupel can land somewhere around where Ole Miss did in 2021, 15-20 I would be happy. I dont expect top 10 classes out the gate but, investigation and all, he should still be able to get in the top 25 with the Arkansas's, Missouri's and Ole Miss's of the world until this is behind us.
 
#45
#45
VawlDave said:
Frost
2016: 82.6
2017: 83.3

Heupel
2018: 84.4
2019: 84.2
2020: 83.8

Via 247 Sports.
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Guess someone recruited better then VN thought. This kills every single post that claimed he won with Frost's players. Looks like he brought his own player's in that were actually better or at least ranked higher then Frost
 
#46
#46
Y9 Vol said:
How the heck does this excite ANYONE?????
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2005 9-7
2006 6-10

2007 (2-6) 7-6 (5 wins vacated)
2008 ( 12-2)
2009 (14-0)

How did the 15-17 coach all of a sudden become good?
Or, was he always good?

why did he go 15-17.
WHY...the WHY is what matters.
You people sometimes are so shortsighted.
 
#47
#47
These numbers simply show system, development and coaching have been the problem at Tennessee......and was the success at UCF.
 
#48
#48
Vol8188 said:
I don’t see the point you’re trying to make?
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I think most people would have gladly taken Frost as our new head coach, yet many of us somehow think Heupel is far inferior. However, the numbers don't really show that much difference in the two.
 
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