Recruiting at Tennessee

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BowlBrother85 said:
That is not true anymore and hasn't been for a while. Middle Tenn has produced more talent the last several years than Memphis. The growth in Tenn is in the greater Nashville area. Jalen Hurd, Josh Malone, Rashaan Gaulden, Jashon Robertson, Derek Barnett and then the ones that got away (Jalen Ramsey, Rico McGraw)... Most people who don't follow recruiting underrate the state of Tennessee (at least slightly) because they don't understand the growth in Nashville and are using an out of date narrative. Nashville is definitely still a far cry from Atlanta but it's above Memphis.

...and so many Memphis kids have grade troubles anyway... but of course, we did land Drew Richmond.
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Good observation. Memphis public schools produce very little talent. The private schools have a few good recruits such as MUS.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Also I'll take the Vols' situation over UCLA any day. People put way too much stock into in state talent. Of course it matters, but it's not like there's an invisible wall you can't cross.
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I don't think there's anybody in the college football world that thinks UCLA is a better coaching gig than Tennessee. Recency bias, maybe?
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Tennessee has a larger recruiting budget than any other University in America.

Schools in power conferences spending more on recruiting
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This part of the article was interesting as well.

Dave Hart said in a written statement to USA TODAY Sports the difference may be that Tennessee is more diligent in how it categorizes each of its teams' recruiting expenses, and that some other schools may place some of those costs into another category — which, if true, could mean that recruiting expenses at other schools are actually higher than reported.
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Bama also has one of the largest support staff dedicated to recruiting, which makes a huge difference in what they are able to do.
 
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We have super fast growing cities of Nashville, Atlanta and Charlotte in our sphere of influence and we have always been popular with Carolinas and Virginia for recruits. We have cherry picked a few great gems from CA too, especially QBs.

We just need to do better in Memphis and maybe Texas.
 
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top5vols said:
Butch has done a great job of recruiting.

We are ranked 16th according to this article.

College football's easiest to toughest recruiting jobs, 1-65
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Interesting topic. My take is this: since the change to only 85 scholarships (typically 25 per yr) the in state talent ratio is different versus 105 scholarships back in the day when UT could sign 35-40 per season.

Hurd and Malone etc...are changing that!

:loco:

Tennesseeduke
 
#32
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Ask the Memphis team that upset Ole Miss if we have any instate talent. We just need Butch to continue the trend of locking down the instate top talent. Not let them get to FSU, Georgia, placed like that
 
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The Nashville area has taken over the Memphis area in producing the talent. The question is why Butch did a great job of locking the in state talent his first year and each year since we get fewer and fewer. Last year there were two 5 stars who came to Tennessee and one of those flipped from Ole Miss at the last minute. There were 11 4 stars and Tenn only got 3 of them. According to Rivals there are no 5 stars and 11 4 stars in Tenn for the 2016 class. 2 of those 11 have committed to Tennessee, 2 committed to Ole Miss, 2 to Texas A&M, one each to North Carolina, Stanford, Oregon, and Notre Dame. The remaining 2 have not yet committed. The talent is there and we are making the offers, but they are choosing to go elsewhere.
 
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wizzer said:
The Nashville area has taken over the Memphis area in producing the talent. The question is why Butch did a great job of locking the in state talent his first year and each year since we get fewer and fewer. Last year there were two 5 stars who came to Tennessee and one of those flipped from Ole Miss at the last minute. There were 11 4 stars and Tenn only got 3 of them. According to Rivals there are no 5 stars and 11 4 stars in Tenn for the 2016 class. 2 of those 11 have committed to Tennessee, 2 committed to Ole Miss, 2 to Texas A&M, one each to North Carolina, Stanford, Oregon, and Notre Dame. The remaining 2 have not yet committed. The talent is there and we are making the offers, but they are choosing to go elsewhere.
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If we offer and they decline then so be it.... Win with us, watch us win, or get beat by us.... The choice is theirs.
 
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UtahVol said:
Here's what they said in the breakdown. The 7 was the rank within the SEC. Can't really disagree with the assessment and all the more credit to the coaches:

"7. Tennessee Volunteers: 21 out of 25

Favorable geography/local recruiting territory: 3 -- Only 429 in-state players from 2006-2015 have signed with a Power 5 conference school.

Recruiting/football budget: 5 -- Because of the distance Tennessee must go to recruit top players, the Volunteers have one of the highest recruiting budgets in the country.

Facilities to attract recruits: 5 -- Tennessee has made significant facility upgrades over the last 3-7 years, and is on par with the best-of-the-best in the SEC.

Next-level considerations: 4 -- The Volunteers have had 16 players selected in the NFL draft since 2010, though none were selected in the 2015 draft.

Other intangibles: 4 -- Tennessee has a lot of tradition, a huge fan base and has won national titles, but its location can be difficult for consistently recruiting at the top level. The Vols have maintained a strong brand despite not being an elite team since Phil Fulmer stepped down as head coach in 2008."
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Per usual, this assessment completely ignores our proximity to and successful recruiting in Atlanta.

We've made a habit of eating Georgia's lunch, because no Dawg coach can lock down that entire state. Auburn and Clemson do the same.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Per usual, this assessment completely ignores our proximity to and successful recruiting in Atlanta.

We've made a habit of eating Georgia's lunch, because no Dawg coach can lock down that entire state. Auburn and Clemson do the same.
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You're absolutely right. They never evaluate a 'recruiting base' as being a 200 mile radius from the campus. The evaluation of the base is always just in-state from sites like this. The fact is, Tennessee doesn't have to go far and wide to get top talent at all. Tennessee not only recruits well in northern Georgia but they also recruit well in western North Carolina which is also talent rich... not to mention the current population growth that is ongoing in middle Tennessee that we are also benefiting from.
 
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We're #6 on Rivals in terms of average ranking. 9 4* and 7 3* = 3.55. This is where we want to be ranked, now that Butch used the last 2 classes to field a whole 85-man roster.
 
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wizzer said:
The Nashville area has taken over the Memphis area in producing the talent. The question is why Butch did a great job of locking the in state talent his first year and each year since we get fewer and fewer. Last year there were two 5 stars who came to Tennessee and one of those flipped from Ole Miss at the last minute. There were 11 4 stars and Tenn only got 3 of them. According to Rivals there are no 5 stars and 11 4 stars in Tenn for the 2016 class. 2 of those 11 have committed to Tennessee, 2 committed to Ole Miss, 2 to Texas A&M, one each to North Carolina, Stanford, Oregon, and Notre Dame. The remaining 2 have not yet committed. The talent is there and we are making the offers, but they are choosing to go elsewhere.
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Who are the other 4 star players?

Do we need them or do we already have someone better then them on campus or being recruited in another state?

Do these other 4 star players fit our recruiting needs this cycle?

I don't know the answers to these questions right off....but it is plausible that some were intentionally not recruited and it is plausible Butch has holes in his fence per say. IDK! interesting thought 'zer.
 
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buTch is just now starting to get our recruiting rotation back to a decent place.

Our recruiting rotation was totally screwed up by laMe kiffScum and CDD.

You never want to be forced by open positions to have to go get 4 O linemen or 4 D linemen in 1 year.

Coaches need to know that a certain number of players in each position will either graduate and leave or will leave early for the NFL money so they can recruit replacement players and have time to coach them up ad have them ready to start wen their time in the rotation comes.

The perfect recruiting rotation per year may be 2 O linemen, 2 D linemen, 1 QB, 2 WR's, 4 DB's, 2 LB's ect, ect.

It's very difficult and takes years to get a recruiting rotation back in place when the rotation is so totally screwed up and to get it right at every position may still take buTch a few more years to get back to the perfect balance of a certain number of players at every position per year.

Transfers and kids in trouble having to be dismissed can also screw up the recruiting rotation so it's a very hard thing to do.

So far buTch and his staff have done a very good job of recruiting to get us back to where we can compete against anyone on the field but the recruiting rotation still isn't back to a stable situation where it needs to be.

Once the recruiting rotation is back in balance the ONLY players we'll be going after will be to top players in the country at their positions because that's all we'll need on a per year basis.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Florida and Bama are both too low. I'll bet all that Saban has to do is call, and you can swing a dead cat in the state of Florida and hit a 5star. Stupid article
 
#46
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It was starting to look like Tennessee was going to have a mediocre recruiting year, but now it looks like things are starting to come together at the right time.
 
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