Recruiting - Army takes 45

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While looking at the final recruiting rankings on Rivals to do a total number of stars calculation, I noticed that Army has a class of 45, 1 3 star and the rest 2 star or lower. Their ranking is #98.

Is Uncle Sam not held to the same standards as other colleges?
 
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TUITION, PAY AND EXPENSES:

USMAPS does not charge a tuition. The government will pay for room, board, medical and dental expenses. Candidates are paid monthly. Regular Army candidates receive their normal pay and allowances according to their rank and time in service. This salary is subject to federal and state withholding taxes and social security deductions with their monthly salary. Candidates pay for their textbooks, calculator, personal services, haircuts, and laundry. Students are also required to set up an allotment (the cadet account) for $300 to defray the cost of their computer at USMA. All candidates must join the Cadet Candidate Extracurricular Fund (CCEF), which covers their yearbook, Army-Navy Game, graduation dinner dance and other school-wide activities throughout the year.

Cadet candidates receive CONUS COLA (Continental United States Cost of Living Allowance) to defray the added cost of living in New Jersey. Additionally, Cadet Candidates will be covered by a government sponsored life insurance plan known as Serviceman's Group Life Insurance (SGLl).

I do not believe they are on athletic scholarship
 
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OrangeMagic said:
While looking at the final recruiting rankings on Rivals to do a total number of stars calculation, I noticed that Army has a class of 45, 1 3 star and the rest 2 star or lower. Their ranking is #98.

Is Uncle Sam not held to the same standards as other colleges?
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I say let em have as many as they want. :thumbsup:
 
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OrangeMagic said:
While looking at the final recruiting rankings on Rivals to do a total number of stars calculation, I noticed that Army has a class of 45, 1 3 star and the rest 2 star or lower. Their ranking is #98.

Is Uncle Sam not held to the same standards as other colleges?
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Obama plan!

:unsure:

Tennesseeduke
 
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Young men who one day may be asked to pay the ultimate price so that we may be free.
They deserve it!
 
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OrangeMagic said:
While looking at the final recruiting rankings on Rivals to do a total number of stars calculation, I noticed that Army has a class of 45, 1 3 star and the rest 2 star or lower. Their ranking is #98.

Is Uncle Sam not held to the same standards as other colleges?
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No, they are not. Their requirements are much, much higher. In addition to not being off-campus for two strait years, you are guaranteed to be an active duty Army Officer for a minimum of 6 years after graduation. You are required to pass the height-weight standards even though that’s pretty much impossible while keeping your football weight.

To defray just how difficult the service academies have it, they get two extra coaches who can recruit even longer than other coaches. And the number of recruits is largely meaningless, because they don’t sign an LOI. They have to get an appointment (I’m pretty sure from a US Senator) to attend a service academy. So, basically, that’s all the folks who could play football at West Point potentially this year because they played football before and will be on campus.

The Army football players I knew were first-team starters who got appointed because they were going to play at Army, so I don’t know what it was like for guys who just tried out for the team. Something else-they don’t redshirt. You get four years of playing. That’s it.

In summary:
-Number of recruits is largely meaningless
-Academy life is insane
-Go Army! Beat Navy! (please? once more in my lifetime?)
 
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No, they are not. Their requirements are much, much higher. In addition to not being off-campus for two strait years, you are guaranteed to be an active duty Army Officer for a minimum of 6 years after graduation. You are required to pass the height-weight standards even though that’s pretty much impossible while keeping your football weight.

To defray just how difficult the service academies have it, they get two extra coaches who can recruit even longer than other coaches. And the number of recruits is largely meaningless, because they don’t sign an LOI. They have to get an appointment (I’m pretty sure from a US Senator) to attend a service academy. So, basically, that’s all the folks who could play football at West Point potentially this year because they played football before and will be on campus.

The Army football players I knew were first-team starters who got appointed because they were going to play at Army, so I don’t know what it was like for guys who just tried out for the team. Something else-they don’t redshirt. You get four years of playing. That’s it.

In summary:
-Number of recruits is largely meaningless
-Academy life is insane
-Go Army! Beat Navy! (please? once more in my lifetime?)
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The US Representative gets about 20 appointments per year to the various service academies.
 
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I think Army recruits to bring the best soldiers. Tennessee and everyone else recruits to bring in the best players
 
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Every Cadet at the USMA (West Point) and the United States Air Force Academy, along with all of the Midshipmen at the USNA (Annapolis) are all on "full rides", so there are no such things as athletic scholarships at the United States Service Academies.

As has been posted earlier in the thread, the trade off for the education and training is a minimum 5 years of active duty service, and 3 years of reserve service. About half of those who graduate from one of the Service Academies do the 5 years and get out and half make the military a career.

The slots are highly competitive. Each member of congress (House Members and Senators) can have up to 5 at each of the three academies at one time. That's not 5 each year, but a total of 5 at any one time, so the competition for those slots is very competitive and are very much coveted.
 
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wtorange said:
The US Representative gets about 20 appointments per year to the various service academies.
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Not true.

Congressional members don't make appointments. They make nominations, and can nominate up to 5 for each open slot. The Admissions Departments of the respective Academies make the appointments based on which nominated candidate in a given year best fits the admission requirements.

And each congressman or woman can have a total of 5 nominees in each of the 3 academies at any one time. Not 5 per year, but 5 total.
 
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d3ft punk said:
In summary:
-Number of recruits is largely meaningless
-Academy life is insane
-Go Army! Beat Navy! (please? once more in my lifetime?)
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I will always cheer for Navy. My good friend was the starting QB there for a few years. Go Navy!
 
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TennesseeThumper said:
Not true.

Congressional members don't make appointments. They make nominations, and can nominate up to 5 for each open slot. The Admissions Departments of the respective Academies make the appointments based on which nominated candidate in a given year best fits the admission requirements.

And each congressman or woman can have a total of 5 nominees in each of the 3 academies at any one time. Not 5 per year, but 5 total.
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Our local congressman nominated a total of 25 that were announced in the local paper Friday. They included The AFA, West Point, Naval Academy, and Merchant Marine Academy. Their names and schools are all listed.
 
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wtorange said:
Our local congressman nominated a total of 25 that were announced in the local paper Friday. They included The AFA, West Point, Naval Academy, and Merchant Marine Academy. Their names and schools are all listed.
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I'm not going to get in to a pissing contest with you on this. We went through the process with my son, who is a service academy graduate, and I now work with one of the Tennessee senators offices in assisting to help walk candidates through the process of applying for nomination.

Again, congress members (House members and Senators) make nominations, not appointments. They can nominate up to 5 individuals for each slot that is open in a given year. They don't make the appointments. The admissions committees of each individual academy makes the choices of who is going to get the appointments for available slots in a given year. One must have a congressional nomination before being considered for appointment.

Just because one is "nominated" by a member of congress doesn't mean that they are appointed and end up at a service academy. Each member of congress can have 5 nominees who have been appointed (admitted) at any of the 3 major service academies - the USMA, USNA, and USAFA - at any one time. That's 5 total regardless of what class they are in, not 5 per year.

So to follow your assertion that 25 were nominated by your local congressman, that means that 5 slots total were open among the 3 service academies, but not 25 from your congressional district will be admitted and appointed. That's just how it works.

There are a few "special consideration" slots available, primarily Vice Presidential and Secretary of the Army nominations, but those are few and far between.

The US Merchant Marine Academy is a different animal all together. The admission process for it, along with the United States Coast Guard Academy, are totally different.
 
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