Records of teams that you wanted their coach

[titansvolsfaninga]

McElwain couldn’t do much with that talent could he? And they weren’t as talented as you think, the average ranking of their recruiting classes the last 4 years were on par with Tenneesee’s

The coaches that were at Florida were far more competent than Butch Jones....how many SEC East titles did McElwain win? The players quit on him....there was a lot of turmoil on that Florida team last year. If you are looking at that record and surmizing that they sucked...you would be wrong. Their OL and DL were far and away better than ours.

 

[Remy]

Mike leach is a good coach. Not a great coach. With all his amazing coaching skills...some saying he would have had us at 8 wins this year...why didn’t he improve WasU that way his first year rather than winning less than the previous coach. Also, how many conference championships does he have? He’s good at running a big offense and competing in games but has yet to win anything with them and people think he would be instantly successful in the SEC yet can’t win a conference title in the PAC...when they’re at their lowest point in years.

My point about Leach all along. He's been a HC forever and can't stock a Power 5 conference championship anywhere on his resume yet he's going to take UT to the promised land of a NC??? I don't think so.

 

[BeardedVol]

My point about Leach all along. He's been a HC forever and can't stock a Power 5 conference championship anywhere on his resume yet he's going to take UT to the promised land of a NC??? I don't think so.

Using that rationale you supported hiring a DC with zero head coaching experience, zero experience rebuilding programs, and zero experience developing 3* players, and expect him to get us to the promised land of another NC?

 

[Forever151]

Mike leach will never succeed in his first year. his offense involves a lot of special pieces that he knows how to recruit

 

[The Original Fade]

The coaches that were at Florida were far more competent than Butch Jones....how many SEC East titles did McElwain win? The players quit on him....there was a lot of turmoil on that Florida team last year. If you are looking at that record and surmizing that they sucked...you would be wrong. Their OL and DL were far and away better than ours.

Ok, so give me your standard that Mullen has to reach to be considered a top tier power 5 coach

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Ok, so give me your standard that Mullen has to reach to be considered a top tier power 5 coach

Not debating if Mullen is a good coach, but he walked into a fully stocked kitchen and made a nice meal. Pruitt walked into a kitchen stocked with lunch meat, bread and cheese....

 

[Pride85]

My choice was Mullen. 9-3.

That might have worked, but I think the available talent level at Florida was at a higher level than UT. I don't know that his record would have been much better this year. We still need to evaluate after this full year is complete. I still believe that we are headed in the right direction and never thought it would be instantaneous. Let's at least see what a bit of stability brings.

 

[Pride85]

I wanted a proven head coach. That's what we were led to believe we were going to get this time but we ended getting what we've always got. If Pruitt doesn't work out we probably get Randy Sanders next. That's as big as the admin can think.

You do realize it is a completely different administration, right?

 

[Samuellbronkowitz]

Frost was my top pick, then Leach.

 

[volfannbama]

Using that rationale you supported hiring a DC with zero head coaching experience, zero experience rebuilding programs, and zero experience developing 3* players, and expect him to get us to the promised land of another NC?

Now see that's different...…...lol

 

[08Vol]

I don’t think we are having this conversation and fans would be acceptable of the season until Vandy.

As another fan put it, it was Strike 1.

The record isn’t the issue. The players not caring about losing to our in state rival is the issue. The players looking at a bowl game in Memphis and saying they would rather stay home is the issue.

Look at how excited the Vandy players were after the win, that is what I want our players to be like after every win. Look at how dejected and upset the Auburn and Michigan players were after their blowout losses to rivals on Saturday, that is how I want our players to feel after a blowout loss to a rival.

 

[xpsyclonex2002]

We needed a coach with a proven record of making chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. Peterson has that record. Patterson has that record. Leech has that record. Patrino has that record. Franklin has that record. Heck, look at programs like App St. Some coaches just know how to get the best out of the players they get, not the players everyone wants. Our program has been a dumpster fire for a decade. What made anyone think that we were going to bring in an unproven coach and rebuild a program from its ashes while competing in the SEC?
But we're stuck with this now. Buckle up. We may very well be the next SMU, Army, and Pitt, once vaunted programs relegated to the dustbin of football history.

 

[wmcovol]

Yeah but Chip Kelly did beat his arch rival in the last game of the season.

 

[AM64]

We needed a coach with a proven record of making chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. Peterson has that record. Patterson has that record. Leech has that record. Patrino has that record. Franklin has that record. Heck, look at programs like App St. Some coaches just know how to get the best out of the players they get, not the players everyone wants. Our program has been a dumpster fire for a decade. What made anyone think that we were going to bring in an unproven coach and rebuild a program from its ashes while competing in the SEC?

But we're stuck with this now. Buckle up. We may very well be the next SMU, Army, and Pitt, once vaunted programs relegated to the dustbin of football history.

Neyland started out as an assistant, so did Dickey and Fulmer. They all turned out pretty well as first term HCs at Tennessee. Funny thing is Saban and probably every other successful HC transitioned from an assistant or coordinator to HC. Unlike royalty, I'm not aware of people who were born with the title "HC".

Now Tennessee's foray into hiring HCs like BJ, Dooley, Majors hasn't generally gone so well. BJ was a poor choice by an incompetent AD, Dooley came from HC pedigree - complete with Saban training, and Majors was a "proven" commodity. And, yeah, I was around and wanted Johnny back here as much as anyone else. The moral is watch what you wish for, you may get it, and it isn't what you thought or wanted. I'll take a hungry promising coordinator any day.

 

[midtnvol2]

You honestly think either would have had that kind of success here?
Leach is a slow starter the fan base would hate. (I would absolutely be ok with that hire) and Dan Mullen....well let’s see how next year goes for him

Correct, just like any other coach taking over a down program it took Leach 4 years to get to a winning season.

At Washington State:
2012 3-9 1-8 in conf.
2013 6-7 4-5 in conf.
2014 3-9 2-7 in conf.
2015 9-4 6-3 in conf.
2016 8-5 7-2 in conf.
2017 9-4 6-3 in conf.
2018 10-2 7-2 in conf.

 

[BeardedVol]

Correct, just like any other coach taking over a down program it took Leach 4 years to get to a winning season.

At Washington State:
2012 3-9 1-8 in conf.
2013 6-7 4-5 in conf.
2014 3-9 2-7 in conf.
2015 9-4 6-3 in conf.
2016 8-5 7-2 in conf.
2017 9-4 6-3 in conf.
2018 10-2 7-2 in conf.

Saying that Washington State was "down" when Leach took over, is a gross understatement.

 

[VolArmy74]

I would have picked Morris over Pruitt and still would.

Arkansas was in way worse shape talent wise than we are. Arkansas plays in the much much tougher SEC West. Arkansas had players entirely recruited to run the plodding 3 yards and a cloud of dust system of the prior coach, the exact opposite of the Morris system.

That said, out of anyone tied realistically to the job at all, Leach would have been my first choice. He was in contention for the CFB playoff in late November at a school that hasn't won an outright conference title since 1930.

The day he arrived here, even with what our roster is, it would be the most talented roster he's ever walked into, if not ever coached from a star/schools that wanted them perspective.

P.S to the guy who said he has no SEC experience. He coached at Kentucky. He's coached in the state of Georgia, Oklahoma and Texas. He chews tobacco and lives in Florida. He would be fine here culture wise out recruiting. Not that it matters now. He'll never coach here.

 

[ptcarter]

For what it's worth, I think Tennessee's schedule was as tough as any of these other schools. We played against at least 4 qb's that will be lighting it up in the NFL. Tua, Grier, Lock, Fromm, and there may end up being more. We had a good chance to beat South Carolina. That'd put us at 6 wins.. Of course we didn't. Great observation OP.

 

[midtnvol2]

Saying that Washington State was "down" when Leach took over, is a gross understatement.

I wasn't commenting on the status of Washington state , merely stating that turning around any down program doesn't happen in one or two years.

 

[cncchris33]

Love this thread already.

But Brohm at 6-6 (and a beatdown of OSU) is far , far more of a compliment than the uneducated folk would realize. This guy took a program that, in FOUR YEARS, WON NINE(9!!) GAMES. Not per season, TOTAL! That is a 4-year average of winning just over 2 GAMES PER SEASON!

He won 7 last year and already 6 this year. He is absolutely crushing one of the worst jobs that was out there just a couple years ago. We would be lucky to have him. If he stays at Purdue he will have them in the Big 10 title game real soon. It would be like seeing Vandy or UK in Atlanta. Unheard of.

What he would do here or any other major program is ridiculous.

Brohm was my choice, and Rondale Moore would sure look good in orange. He is exactly the type of playmaker we are missing on offense.

 

[Volnbeers]