Reasons to be excited about Debord

#101
#101
I'm getting excited about DeBord seeing how many folks on Volnation are unhappy with the hire. He is solid yet unexciting. The same guys who hate this hire were probably calling for Randy Sanders' head and applauding Clawson and Sunseri. Solid isn't a bad thing. Hopefully our offense continues to improve instead of regressing.
 
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#103
#103
The game has changed so much since 1997. Hate this hire. Hope hes gotten with the times. Or i hope bajakian left his playbook laying around
 
#104
#104
Okay. I'm not super pumped about the hire, but I'm willing to reserve judgment and see how it pans out before I call it a terrible hire.

I know he hasn't coached in two years, but his history in the collegiate and pro levels is pretty extensive. And before we bash him for his record at CMU with Butch, we must remember, being a coordinator and being a head coach are two different responsibilities.

I don't know what Butch already knew before his days at CMU, or what else he picked up from other head coaches. But if you track the progress of CMU's offense under DeBoard and Butch from 2000 to 2003, they made very clear strides.

Don't be fooled by the overall records, CMU only had between 2-4 wins per year throughout that four year span, but it's obvious that defense was the problem.

Butch was the RB coach in 2000, 2001, and 2002; OC in 2003, DeBord's last year.

* 2000 featured 2 QB's, neither did much to help the team. Using one feature RB, the entire team barely scraped together 1000 yards.

* 2001 saw strides made both at the QB position and with the running game, their QB throwing 7 TD and 6 INT, but the team as a whole rushing for 2000 yards behind the feature back rushing for nearly 1200 yards.

* In 2002, CMU's running game really took off, feature back rushing for 1360 and 9 TD's, the team getting almost 2500 yards and 22 TD's on the ground.

* 2003 was Butch's first year as OC, DeBord's last year as HC. They had two feature backs, Seymour rushing 205 times for 1100 yards and 8 TD's, and Jackson rushing 199 times for 803 and another 8 TD's. (Other RB's scored 4 TD's bringing the team rushing TD total to 20.) They resorted to 2 QB's (benching or injury, I dunno), with combined stats of 179/321, 1991 yards, 16 TD's and 10 INT.

None of these years saw the QB keep it a lot. Looking at the number of QB rushes and the YPC, I'd say most of the "carries" were the QB's running for their lives against big-time D1 defenses. Butch helped shape those offenses, but he was doing so under the directive of DeBord as head coach.

These teams did have terrible records in a terrible conference-- that's indisputable. I'm sure with two big brother's in-state and Michigan not really being a recruiting cradle of fertility to begin with, that talent was hard to come by. But if DeBord didn't field such a terrible defense (their D gave up 30+ ppg three of those four seasons, and 28 ppg the other one), who knows how well the offense would have flourished. Again DeBord is not on trial for his head coaching job at CMU. It's his offense that clearly shaped Butch's philosophy early in his career that I think lends some insight into what DeBord can do on our Offensive staff.

The above information is based on stats found on Sports-Reference.com - Sports Statistics and History.. because cfbstats.com - College Football Statistics didn't have anything prior to 2008. I'm not making a case for anything DeBord did in the NFL or at Michigan, and if there's a rebuttal that wipes this away based on that, flame away on me, but given the years that they worked together, the offense showed significant strides until they hit the ceiling that piss-poor defenses and lack of talent put on a team.
 
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#105
#105
Let's face it guys. His last name ends in "bored". Not a sexy hire by any stretch. You have to give it to Butch though. He's running the program his way. And so far his way has been pretty good. Wait and see!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Unless Butch is just making him a co-coordinator then we shouldn't expect the offense to be anything better than average to below average. The rest of the SEC is probably laughing their butts off at this hire. :sad:
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It's more about the jimmys and joes than the X's and O's..... You might be pleasantly surprised.
 
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TNinSC said:
The game has changed so much since 1997. Hate this hire. Hope hes gotten with the times. Or i hope bajakian left his playbook laying around
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I'm sorry, but you want Debord to find Bajakian's playbook?? Have you ever seen The Shining where the guy just writes the same thing over and over for pages and pages? That's how Bajakian's playbook is, it literally just says "WR Screen" for 90 pages.
 
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#111
#111
No reason to be excited whatsoever.I am curious to see how much he gets paid. He better be 14th in the conference in terms of OC Pay
 
#112
#112
He called plays when the big ten was nobody but OSU Michigan and Penn state.

And it was years ago. It's irrelevant.
It would be like us gloating over our national championship. It's just silly.
 
#114
#114
This is not a flashy hire... but it is what we need right now.

The young studs know the current system and terminology. Change it and you are setting us back another year or two. The biggest player improvement is from FR to SO. Change the system and/or terminology now and our sophomore class is back to square one.

I like the direction this is going... If we can blend in more of a power running game with our current offense, it will be a sight to behold. It would look more like the offense Ohio State ran this past year. We may not be stretching the field as much in the passing game to start with, but that will open up when defenses have to put more in the box and run blitz to stop the power runs.

We have the talent now, the current offense works... tweak it a bit and coach them up Butch!

CH_V
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
I'm suspecting and this is just a guess. 1. He didn't know in advanced that his starting QB was going to get injured. 2. He didn't want to burn Dobbs red shirt, because he knew he had something special. 3. The offensive line was still young and he didn't want to throw Dobbs in till he thought they were ready.
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Dobbs helped the Oline by being mobile. After Worley got hurt, Peterman went in. You don't throw a season away by leaving the best QB on the bench. Also, Butch stated, and this is just a fact, that Dobbs didn't practice well.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Its called opinions and it is what a message board is for. So we, as the fan base, are not allowed to criticize Butch right? You're one of those fans huh?
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I don't think they are. They are simply requesting you provide some substance to your argument other that a simply bashing the hire. Maybe a little analysis to go along with the statement. Criticism is more effective if it looks like more than a coin flip decision.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Dobbs helped the Oline by being mobile. After Worley got hurt, Peterman went in. You don't throw a season away by leaving the best QB on the bench. Also, Butch stated, and this is just a fact, that Dobbs didn't practice well.
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I'm going to say that if Dobbs had started at the beginning of the year that he would have gotten dinged in the Arkansas State game...been completely swamped and damaged at Oklahoma and totally lost to the program by the Georgia game...no bowl game and gloomy future outlook. What basis do I have for that? The same that revisionist historians have for lamenting a "lost season" by assuming otherwise...Dobbs seemed ready by the Bama game, and we benefitted...that much we DO know.
 
#120
#120
It's amazing how many people just know this is a bad hire. Of course, they have never met Debord or probably anyone else on the staff. Most have never met Butch and they have never coached a down of college football but they know more than Butch about a guy Butch used to coach with. They act like Debord is walking into the operating room to do brain surgery after an 8 year layoff. It ain't brain surgery it's football and I'm pretty sure the guy hasn't forgotten how it works. Some people live in perpetual doom. Everything was going to hell in a hand basket when Butch was hired and now everything going to fall apart with a new OC. I think I'll just relax and let the man show what he can do.
 
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#121
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albedo33 said:
Fully agree. For better or worse, UGA, UF, Bama, LSU, etc are the yardsticks against which UT is measured. To get back on top, we must not only have better players than those schools, we must have a HC and assistant coaches who are better than their HC and assistants. We must match or better the current top tier SEC schools in every phase of a football program in order to be one of them.

I cannot imagine for a moment that any of the schools mentioned above would give someone with DeBord's resume as second look, let alone hire him.

Someone mentioned that hiring an OC isn't the same as hiring a HC. True. But let's compare what Bama did a few years ago with what UT did. When they fired Mike Shula in 2006, they hired a coach who had won a NC at LSU and coached 2 years in the NFL. When Lane Kiffin left UT after 2009, UT hired as HC a mediocrity from Louisiana Tech. We all know how those hires panned out. If you are willing to settle for mediocrity, for 3rd rate coaching talent, that is what you will get.

Looking at his resume and recent work, DeBord is 3rd rate coaching talent. His main qualification is that he is an old crony of the HC. Can UT become a football powerhouse again when Butch Jones hires assistants on the basis of cronyism? No. I do not think so.
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You do realize he was 52-11 as an O coordinator at Michigan and won a NC. Brian Griese and Tom Brady have good things to say about him. As well as one of the all time great guards in the NFL in Steve Hutchinson had good things to say about him as his position oach at UM. He may be an older coach and he ran a different system because that's what Carr wanted doesn't mean he isn't capable of adapting.

Was he the home run that so many people wanted no but he is a knowledgeable coach who can likely help us improve in some key areas on offense.
 
#123
#123
WOW there's a lot of negativity on this site. Give the dude a chance. I see some people talking smack on here about he is an old coach with old philosophies, etc.

Maybe he has been studying the game over the last couple of years and has a new hitch or perception to the game that is going to be valuable to our team. We don't know all of the behind the scenes things that's going on.

Were all entitled to our opinion, but let’s just see how we do this season. I'm pretty sure CBJ won’t let him stay long if he sucks.

I welcome the guy with open arms to the VOL family until he proves he doesn't need to be here, ala Dooley. lol

I don't think he is the home run hire we wanted, but at least he wants to help. I personally think he will be fine. But time will tell...
 
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#124
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DD4ME said:
I came up with these when his name was brought up 2 weeks ago. I'm good with the hire because Butch clearly is no moran.

positives for DeBord hire

was willing to run our playbook (because his was eaten by moths)
Butch is comfy with him (dibsies on top bunk)
looks like Fulmer
had his success in our glory years so he'll know our tradition
can draw up plays on his head if smart board goes out
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And one more. Not just anybody can take a future hall-of-famer like Brady and make him a 6th round pick.
 
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MWR said:
And one more. Not just anybody can take a future hall-of-famer like Brady and make him a 6th round pick.
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Johnny Unitas was a 9th rounder...Kurt Warner and Tony Romo undrafted free agents...coaches all suck? The fact that Brady went out of his way to praise the hire of Debord and credited him for helping him to develop, carries a little more weight IMO.
 
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