Reason for Bama & UF fans discontent...

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Vols5150 said:
Actually, I think you're pathetic fan for buying into the Kiffin hype. You should be outraged that this university chose such a coach to head one of the best programs in the country. It is insulting. The fact that you aren't insulted shows that you are either ignorant or you hate this program. Kiffin can barely put a sentence together, and you applaud him when he makes an @ss out of himself.
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I've always believed that if you present a problem that you should also present a solution to that problem. I keep hearing you whine about CLK but I don't see you ever saying who you would have picked to do better.

So let's have it. According to Vols5150, who should UT have hired? And how do you realistically think they would have done in recruiting this year? I'm all ears.....
 
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Vols5150 said:
PF is gone, so why do you keep bringing him up? Don't you think though, since PF was doing a horrible job, that we'd actually go out and hire someone that we knew was a better coach? Makes sense to me. Sorry you can't grasp that concept.
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In what way are you under the assumption that Kiffin is not a better coach? Do you think CPF was a better OC? A better position coach? A better motivator or disciplinarian? What about a better recruiter? I'm tired of hearing your substanceless complaints without presenting any real info. In what ways is Kiffin inferior?
 
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penleydr said:
assuming that Kiffin and his staff were ethical in their recruiting push here at the end, they due deserver credit for pulling in this class. UF fans know full well how diffisult it is to recruit in this situation, so there has to be something said for that.

I think the problem with this current situation is that Kiffin himself has gotten a little too caught up in it, and is really overvaluing what this "victory" means.

Take a quick peek at Meyer's first class in '05 and you'll see what I mean. Not only does it take more than ONE recruiting class to get "back on the map", it takes great coaching as well. (see Notre Dame football)

If Kiffin is any where near being closer to Charlie Weis than Meyer and Carrol et al, then UT will rue the day Lane Kiffin began calling out the ruling class of the league in the first weeks he came on board, and begging for Phil Fulmer.

His best path would be to shut his mouth and start taking this job seriously. If he was serious, he wouldn't be resorting to these shenanigans. Right now, he really believes this crap doesn't matter, and what's worse for your program is, neither do most of you. You think it's great because he's everything Fulmer wasn't when it comes to his demeanor. Well, here's a news flash...cockiness doesn't make a great coach.

The rest of the nation knows what kind of coaches you guys have, so you'd better hope and pray they can continue to recruit the way they have. With the attitude coming from the top, I think it will be tough.
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Not knocking youre post but coach meyer was just as cocky upon his arrival in fl. He backed it up and has proven his offense will work in the sec. He had something to prove just as kiffin does. Does he regret sayin it probably. Will this matter maybe, but he's sending a message of were not afraid and we will compete we wont back down. Could he have done it a little differently, you bet. Remember he feels like urban was showing no respect by calling in the middle of the visit. I think this today was his way of sayin I am not afraid of you.
 
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Vols5150 said:
Backtracking? Again, he was not the offensive coor when they won the NC's. But he was the following two years when they won zero NC's.
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How was Kiffin responsible for USC's D getting lit up in the NC game? Kiffin's responsibility was the offense and they set record numbers under him. Are you conveniently overlooking the fact that USC's offense under Kiffin had better numbers than it did under Chow who is considered a genius OC? I'm sure you'll find a way to give Pete Carroll credit for calling the plays, though.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
So let's have it. According to Vols5150, who should UT have hired? And how do you realistically think they would have done in recruiting this year? I'm all ears.....
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I've said it one hundred thousand times....not sure where you've been.

Butch was the obvious choice, but man, any of the usual suspects would have been a much smarter pick than LK. He should have never been interviewed. Funny how he was not good enough for UW, but he's good enough for us.
 
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BIGBUM said:
Not knocking youre post but coach meyer was just as cocky upon his arrival in fl. He backed it up and has proven his offense will work in the sec. He had something to prove just as kiffin does. Does he regret sayin it probably. Will this matter maybe, but he's sending a message of were not afraid and we will compete we wont back down. Could he have done it a little differently, you bet. Remember he feels like urban was showing no respect by calling in the middle of the visit. I think this today was his way of sayin I am not afraid of you.
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He shouldn't be afraid of him. CLK can be confident that Monte will field a better defense than UF and CLK can also be confident in his skills as an OC. That's not even mentioning Chaney's skills. Urban's resume at CLK's age was nowhere near as impressive.
 
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Vols5150 said:
PF is gone, so why do you keep bringing him up? Don't you think though, since PF was doing a horrible job, that we'd actually go out and hire someone that we knew was a better coach? Makes sense to me. Sorry you can't grasp that concept.
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PF was not a proven HC after Majors was kicked to the curb. So, what is your point?
 
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nickknx865 said:
I never saw what the big deal was with Butch.
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He would have cost twice as much, and had half the staff we have now. He is a good coach as well as others in the running, but in these times your staff is about as important as the HC.
 
#39
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Vols5150 said:
I've said it one hundred thousand times....not sure where you've been.

Butch was the obvious choice, but man, any of the usual suspects would have been a much smarter pick than LK. He should have never been interviewed. Funny how he was not good enough for UW, but he's good enough for us.
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Is that seriously your answer? Butch wasn't coming. Do you honestly think that UW turned down Lane and Monte Kiffin? Who are the "usual suspects" and detail how they would have been smarter? I was hoping you might have a legitimate rationalization of your opinions but I see that you don't. Can you at least agree that the staff CLK has hired is better than what any of the other candidates would have brought in? It seems like you listen to shock-jocks like Finebaum and form your opinions based on what they say.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
In what way are you under the assumption that Kiffin is not a better coach??
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His record.


gainesvol82 said:
Do you think CPF was a better OC? A better position coach? A better motivator or disciplinarian? ?
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Unfortunately, we didn't hire LK as an OC or positions coach. Hence the problem.


gainesvol82 said:
What about a better recruiter?
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What I saw yesterday was unimpressive, especially since you proclaimed him to be an "outstanding recruiter". Didn't see it.
 
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Pete Carroll hadn't done anything worth a damn prior to USC, nor had Jim Tresell prior to OSU. Maybe Kiff is our version of these guys.
 
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Watched the super bowl with a Gator fan and also a good friend of Stan Drayton. He didn't like that we let Drayton go, but said that Kiffin put together a coaching staff that everyone should be jealous of and fear.
 
#43
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nickknx865 said:
I never saw what the big deal was with Butch.
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No crap. His biggest asset is as a recruiter/motivator. I'll take CEO for that any day. Butch helped build Miami? CEO helped build Miami, USC and a talented Ole Miss program. We don't even need to mention Monte Kiffin. Butch and his staff are good but are not better than CLK's staff. We have everything that they have to offer and more.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
I was hoping you might have a legitimate rationalization of your opinions but I see that you don't. Can you at least agree that the staff CLK has hired is better than what any of the other candidates would have brought in? It seems like you listen to shock-jocks like Finebaum and form your opinions based on what they say.
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And I have been hoping, since December, that someone might explain to me the rationale behind hiring a coach that has a .250 record and has never won a championship as HC at any level...............................................except, of course, that he was going to get his dad to come along.
 
#45
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Vols5150 said:
His record.



Unfortunately, we didn't hire LK as an OC or positions coach. Hence the problem.



What I saw yesterday was unimpressive, especially since you proclaimed him to be an "outstanding recruiter". Didn't see it.
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You're comparing a 33 year old's record in the NFL to that of a HC of 17 years in college? That doesn't sound right. I'd say it's harder to play against the worst NFL teams than it is to rack up victories against Vandy and UK. Do you honestly think Fulmer would have ever gotten a shot in the NFL?

Your comments show a deep misunderstanding of recruiting and a general football ignorance. Once again, you are making complaints and giving no other feasible, better alternative.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
He shouldn't be afraid of him. CLK can be confident that Monte will field a better defense than UF and CLK can also be confident in his skills as an OC. That's not even mentioning Chaney's skills. Urban's resume at CLK's age was nowhere near as impressive.
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Thats what i was sayin. :good!:
 
#47
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Vols5150 said:
And I have been hoping, since December, that someone might explain to me the rationale behind hiring a coach that has a .250 record and has never won a championship as HC at any level...............................................except, of course, that he was going to get his dad to come along.
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I'd like you to explain what bearing that NFL coaching record has on him at UT. I'd also like to know how you focus on CLK's NFL coaching record while conveniently excluding that all the coaches you said you'd rather have did either just as bad in the NFL or couldn't even make it to the NFL. Your arguments are illogical and weak. Why are any young coaches hired? It's because they show potential and Kiffin has shown that. Are you seriously holding the fact that USC didn't win a NC while Kiffin was OC against him? Can you at least admit the fact that USC had good offenisve numbers with Kiffin as OC or would that make your head explode?
 
#48
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I'm a Raider fan and I am not sold on him, yet. I think he was given the chance because of his old man's name. He managed to lose that lockerroom and then the animals were soon after running the zoo. That could partly be Al's fault, because of the way he runs that organization, but I think Lane has something to prove still.
 
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Commish said:
I'm a Raider fan and I am not sold on him, yet. I think he was given the chance because of his old man's name. He managed to lose that lockerroom and then the animals were sonn after running the zoo. That could partly be Al's fault, because of the way he runs that organization, but I think Lane has something to prove still.
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He has something to prove but I can't hold that situation against him. Lane was never allowed complete control to build in the way he wanted. Any failure at Oakland was on Al Davis.
 
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Vols5150 said:
And I have been hoping, since December, that someone might explain to me the rationale behind hiring a coach that has a .250 record and has never won a championship as HC at any level...............................................except, of course, that he was going to get his dad to come along.
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What was fulmer's record prior to his hiring??????:cray:
 
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