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SACRAMENTO - Joe Six-pack will have to pay a lot more to get his buzz on if Assemblyman Jim Beall has his way.
The San Jose Democrat on Thursday proposed raising the beer tax by $1.80 per six-pack, or 30 cents per can or bottle. The current tax is 2 cents per can. That's an increase of about 1,500 percent.
Beall said the tax would generate $2 billion a year to fund health care services, crime prevention and programs to prevent underage drinking and addiction. "The people who use alcohol should pay for part of the cost to society, just like we've accepted that concept with tobacco," Beall said.

Higher state tax on beer? - San Jose Mercury News
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Good thing is, it will not pass in the CA State Legislature.

However, since courts have allowed legislative bodies to force privately owned places of business to prohibit a legal substance from being used in said business, neo-Puritans will continue to come right out of the closet.

Welcome to the United Socialist Nanny States of America...

Have any current lawmakers even read the Constitution??? One would think that would be a prerequisite.
 
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In 10 years, you will not be able to drink in bars and the six-pack tax will be $4 per unit.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In 10 years, you will not be able to drink in bars and the six-pack tax will be $4 per unit.
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Exactly. Those people who want to go to bars and not drink have the right to not have to be bugged by drunkards or deal with a headache from the loud music and/or trying to hold conversation with said drinkers.

Oh, and go ahead and ban music above x decibels in bars.
 
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therealUT said:
Exactly. Those people who want to go to bars and not drink have the right to not have to be bugged by drunkards or deal with a headache from the loud music and/or trying to hold conversation with said drinkers.

Oh, and go ahead and ban music above x decibels in bars.
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Sadly, there is surely someone out there who will read this without taking the sarcasm into account, and think it's a great idea.
 
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Since there is documented evidence that moderate drinking improves health, I think they (the government) should pay us to drink moderately.
 
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therealUT said:
Good thing is, it will not pass in the CA State Legislature.

However, since courts have allowed legislative bodies to force privately owned places of business to prohibit a legal substance from being used in said business, neo-Puritans will continue to come right out of the closet.

Welcome to the United Socialist Nanny States of America...

Have any current lawmakers even read the Constitution??? One would think that would be a prerequisite.
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Interesting..Trut just think what United Socialist Obama States of America is going to do for us. :)
 
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Just like with tobacco...people are going to pay it.

I heard from someone there are places in NY and Boston where they sell beer for $10 a bottle...any truth to this?
 
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Clearly the implication is to legalize drugs. If we legalize them and tax them, can you imagine the financial benefits in this country? Maybe it's a good idea?
 
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I'm not sure what the benefit would be if we just legalized without taxing.

I'm saying to some people that don't necessarily agree with legalizing drugs, it might be a little easier to swallow if say I was told we're going to legalize drugs, however, we will also make so much money that the United States could close it's doors forever and our military and police and everyone making peanuts for risking their lives gets a big fat pay raise, we'd be a stand alone country, all self sufficient. I might be swayed if that were said to me.
 
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Volnissniss said:
I'm not sure what the benefit would be if we just legalized without taxing.
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Why does everything have to benefit the common good? If an individual chooses to engage in recreational drug use, that is the choice of the individual. The government should not step in and penalize them for it.
 
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therealUT said:
Why does everything have to benefit the common good? If an individual chooses to engage in recreational drug use, that is the choice of the individual. The government should not step in and penalize them for it.
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I see what you are saying. However, to get people that are strongly opposed to legalizing drugs to even consider being in favor, they might need to be baited a bit, ya know?

I bet if George Bush got on tv today and said, look folks, we're legalizing drugs and by the end of the week social security will be loaded and all you old folks that fell through the cracks, well, that problem has been taken care of. I can tell you without a doubt, my dogmatic, painfully religious God fearing grandmother would vote to legalize drugs with a smile on her face in a New York minute! I'm pretty sure she is an ageist (is that a word), whoever does the most for her generation.

Fortunately she has all us to take care of her so she might not even care, but I'm just talking about baby boomers and people having to do reverse mortgages to pay for their medications and such.
 
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therealUT said:
Why does everything have to benefit the common good? If an individual chooses to engage in recreational drug use, that is the choice of the individual. The government should not step in and penalize them for it.
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One of the main reasons it's illegal now is the violence that surrounds drugs, which is all due to it being illegal. If it was legal...

Just like buying guns at the bass pro shop is safer then buying guns on the black market.

What you do with it later is where you should be held responsible
 
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Volnissniss said:
I see what you are saying. However, to get people that are strongly opposed to legalizing drugs to even consider being in favor, they might need to be baited a bit, ya know?

I bet if George Bush got on tv today and said, look folks, we're legalizing drugs and by the end of the week social security will be loaded and all you old folks that fell through the cracks, well, that problem has been taken care of. I can tell you without a doubt, my dogmatic, painfully religious God fearing grandmother would vote to legalize drugs with a smile on her face in a New York minute! I'm pretty sure she is an ageist (is that a word), whoever does the most for her generation.

Fortunately she has all us to take care of her so she might not even care, but I'm just talking about baby boomers and people having to do reverse mortgages to pay for their medications and such.
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So, basically, you are saying that most Americans that oppose licentious behavior are, in fact, whores themselves?
 
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therealUT said:
So, basically, you are saying that most Americans that oppose licentious behavior are, in fact, whores themselves?
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All I'm saying is people will do whatever it takes to survive. Sex is part of survival to most.

I'm just saying if makes the life of someone tremendously better, you could probably get them to do most anything. Even if they've always been opposed to drugs, if suddenly it would drastically change their life for the better, then yes, they would whore themselves to the people passing around the sign up sheet.
 
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Just to clarify, I'm talking about drugs only. And baby boomers are my example. I think the older generations are very upset and they might be swayed to do things a little less traditional if it made their lives a lot better, maybe give them a little breathing room.

I didn't feel like my previous post was clear. I'm off for a run. You guys talk amongst yourselves for a bit...
 
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I would say that the majority of the people who are for the continued abolition of recreational drugs in America fall into one of the following categories:
1. People who draw a paycheck from big tobacco.
2. Bible-beaters

I do not see either of these groups being swayed by the legalize and tax the hell out of it argument, on principle.

Of course, the latter group have been proven to be whores time and time again. See lottery, gambling, and sin tax legislation.

It sickens me that these people try to uphold themselves as the beacon of morality, yet they sell their principles off, over and over again.
 
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RockyTopEmpire said:
Just like with tobacco...people are going to pay it.

I heard from someone there are places in NY and Boston where they sell beer for $10 a bottle...any truth to this?
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While it could be true, I'm going to have to go with no. You might find some very high-alcohol special brew that is that much, but other than that I doubt it. I usually drink draughts, so I may get the price of bottles wrong..but I think that a typical bottle price is around $4. You can get draught beers of the Bud Lights of the world for around $4.50 ... other beers are typically around $5.50. The only place I have paid $10 for a normal beer was in Norway...and there, about $11 was the normal draught price.
 
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TennTradition said:
While it could be true, I'm going to have to go with no. You might find some very high-alcohol special brew that is that much, but other than that I doubt it. I usually drink draughts, so I may get the price of bottles wrong..but I think that a typical bottle price is around $4. You can get draught beers of the Bud Lights of the world for around $4.50 ... other beers are typically around $5.50. The only place I have paid $10 for a normal beer was in Norway...and there, about $11 was the normal draught price.
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I was thinking of the really "hip" and "suave" places where it would be that expensive, not that it's common.

I would have no business in those places what so ever, just curious
 
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