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Why didn't we seek out an assistant with strong QB skills/coaching.

Are we the only team that doesn't have an OC/QB type coach?

And do you think it would have greatly benefit us, or is that wishful thinking?
 
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Jones chose someone he was comfortable with. I didn't condemn that and don't now from that perspective.

What he didn't do is hire someone who did anything more than run Jones' system.... which appears not to work in the SEC.

Or... maybe it isn't Debord? Jones certainly chooses who plays and the gameplan. Whether Dobbs could have been helped by a QB coach or not... Jones chose not to have one. Jones chose to keep playing Dobbs after it was very apparent that his passing had not improved very much.

Debord may not be a good teacher. He may be an awful playcaller. But anything to do with the system.... lies at Jones' feet.
 
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Oh and I also wanted to state that DeBord hiring may actually be the reason why our offensive line isn't that great.

He has background with teaching O-line, but I know from previous life experiences, that some people teach differently even if they are trying to teach same thing.

I wonder how hands on DeBord has been with the 0-line, and maybe our players got confused on which things they needed to work on
 
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Dougie_D said:
Why didn't we seek out an assistant with strong QB skills/coaching.

Are we the only team that doesn't have an OC/QB type coach?

And do you think it would have greatly benefit us, or is that wishful thinking?
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The remedy is to hire an AD with a Tennessee pedigree . Tennessee to the bone marrow. That should be the qualifier for any admin position at Tennessee,president on down.:yes:
 
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How do you become a guru? Is kind of like George Cotanza wanting to be a Civil War buff?
 
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The closest thing to a QB coach Jones has ever employed was Bajakian who pulled double duty as OC.

Interesting how Dobbs seems to be stuck in neutral on development since he left.

I'll be surprised/shocked if Jones ever hires a real QB coach. He doesn't seem to think it's needed based off history.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
I'll be surprised/shocked if Jones ever hires a real QB coach. He doesn't seem to think it's needed based off history.
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Maybe he'll look at recent history and change his mind. If he doesn't change his philosophy and some coaches, he's toast!
 
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sjt18 said:
Jones chose someone he was comfortable with. I didn't condemn that and don't now from that perspective.

What he didn't do is hire someone who did anything more than run Jones' system.... which appears not to work in the SEC.

Or... maybe it isn't Debord? Jones certainly chooses who plays and the gameplan. Whether Dobbs could have been helped by a QB coach or not... Jones chose not to have one. Jones chose to keep playing Dobbs after it was very apparent that his passing had not improved very much.

Debord may not be a good teacher. He may be an awful playcaller. But anything to do with the system.... lies at Jones' feet.
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His system works when the players are healthy. UF's defense is giving up an average of 7.3 points a game when we're removed. We scored 38 on them and it could have easily been more if we didn't drop 5 passes. Put up 700+ yards on aTm, fumbles cost us that one.
 
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I've wanted a qb coach for 2-3 years. I would like to point out something that posters have overlooked about the value of a qb/oc coach. Do any on here remember who the Manning brothers played for??? Cutcliffe that's who. Don't you think Archie had something to do with where they played and who could help his sons?? I DO.
As for a coach helping Dobbs, a coach could have helped him with his mechanics which are really bad. I don't know if learning to throw is taught or god given, but a couch could have helped Dobbs.
 
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Volnut said:
Maybe he'll look at recent history and change his mind. If he doesn't change his philosophy and some coaches, he's toast!
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I'd like to think he would consider shaking things up again like he did last season with Jancek but the offense is his baby.

Strikes me as far too arrogant to admit he needs an upgrade on offense.
 
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08Vol said:
His system works when the players are healthy. UF's defense is giving up an average of 7.3 points a game when we're removed. We scored 38 on them and it could have easily been more if we didn't drop 5 passes. Put up 700+ yards on aTm, fumbles cost us that one.
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John Chavis led defenses have given up an absurd amount of yards over the years. Especially against spread teams or teams with any semblance of an option look to it.

I am not putting as much stock in that performance as many are.
 
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savannahfan said:
I've wanted a qb coach for 2-3 years. I would like to point out something that posters have overlooked about the value of a qb/oc coach. Do any on here remember who the Manning brothers played for??? Cutcliffe that's who. Don't you think Archie had something to do with where they played and who could help his sons?? I DO.
As for a coach helping Dobbs, a coach could have helped him with his mechanics which are really bad. I don't know if learning to throw is taught or god given, but a couch could have helped Dobbs.
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I have said this for awhile now, Cutcliffe could have done wonders with Dobbs.

Dobbs is smart and willing to be coached. He just hasn't gotten any.

It's flat out laughable now thinking back on the DeBord announcement how much they played up Tom Brady playing under him.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Why didn't we seek out an assistant with strong QB skills/coaching.

Are we the only team that doesn't have an OC/QB type coach?

And do you think it would have greatly benefit us, or is that wishful thinking?
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The NCAA sets limits on coaches, but AL seems to hire orphan coaches from time to time for something and they apparently don't count against staffing requirements. Maybe if you decide that coaches - the ones who can work on the practice field - limit their duties to player development and then supplement with "coaches" who aren't coaches to review play, develop tactics, make punch lists of things the coaches need to address, etc could leverage talent better. Maybe we are losing the "quality control" specialist battle rather than the coaching battle.

Perhaps a few experienced guys sitting back with trained eyes and nothing better to do than pick stuff apart might point out Dobbs needs some work on fundamentals or that so and so needs some help with footwork - stuff that a guy in the middle of practice trying to keep things moving might miss. Maybe the guy who can't show someone what to do on the field, but who can review stuff with a player and say "you know, if you change that just a little bit ..." and with a coach "see how he's just out of position when ..."
 
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sjt18 said:
Jones chose someone he was comfortable with. I didn't condemn that and don't now from that perspective.

What he didn't do is hire someone who did anything more than run Jones' system.... which appears not to work in the SEC.

Or... maybe it isn't Debord? Jones certainly chooses who plays and the gameplan. Whether Dobbs could have been helped by a QB coach or not... Jones chose not to have one. Jones chose to keep playing Dobbs after it was very apparent that his passing had not improved very much.

Debord may not be a good teacher. He may be an awful playcaller. But anything to do with the system.... lies at Jones' feet.
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I see. So we need someone who's an expert with QB's. Possibly someone who has a show about QB's. Someone with land in this area.


Soon....
 
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Dougie_D said:
Why didn't we seek out an assistant with strong QB skills/coaching.

Are we the only team that doesn't have an OC/QB type coach?

And do you think it would have greatly benefit us, or is that wishful thinking?
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Our QB has improved very little over the 4 years with his passing mechanics or I should say passing results. He doesn't do horrible but misses a lot of easy throws and even many that are caught credit the WR.

IMO, Josh is about as good as he could get and no one would solve that. My reasoning is:

There have been at least 4 staff members work with him (Bajakian, Sheridan, DeBord and Jones)

He has been to California and worked with guru Whitfield

He has been to the Manning camp

Peyton has spent time with him every summer since he has been a Vol.

That is a lot of work with people that have worked with QBs. Not a lot of improvement though. I think he is just what he is.
 
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I'll be a self proclaimed guru and state that Dobbs is a good running QB. That is all.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Our QB has improved very little over the 4 years with his passing mechanics or I should say passing results. He doesn't do horrible but misses a lot of easy throws and even many that are caught credit the WR.

IMO, Josh is about as good as he could get and no one would solve that. My reasoning is:

There have been at least 4 staff members work with him (Bajakian, Sheridan, DeBord and Jones)

He has been to California and worked with guru Whitfield

He has been to the Manning camp

Peyton has spent time with him every summer since he has been a Vol.

That is a lot of work with people that have worked with QBs. Not a lot of improvement though. I think he is just what he is.
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Correct.
 
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sjt18 said:
Debord may not be a good teacher. He may be an awful playcaller. But anything to do with the system.... lies at Jones' feet.
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Most coaches "systems" are an amalgamation of things they've picked up along the way under various mentors. Have to wonder if Butch is capable of thinking on his own and adjusting/adapting? Maybe he appears married to this system because it's all he knows to do? Great coaches have the instincts and ability to change when it's demanded. They adjust and adapt their "system" to their personnel. Those are the real "coaches". The other are copycats and frauds. Sooner or later, they are exposed and terminated. Question is....which one do we have?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Our QB has improved very little over the 4 years with his passing mechanics or I should say passing results. He doesn't do horrible but misses a lot of easy throws and even many that are caught credit the WR.

IMO, Josh is about as good as he could get and no one would solve that. My reasoning is:

There have been at least 4 staff members work with him (Bajakian, Sheridan, DeBord and Jones)

He has been to California and worked with guru Whitfield

He has been to the Manning camp

Peyton has spent time with him every summer since he has been a Vol.

That is a lot of work with people that have worked with QBs. Not a lot of improvement though. I think he is just what he is.
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Fair enough, but then why do we continue to call passing plays or plays that will show his weakness?

Also, the manning camp and Cali trips were off-season. That's like going to summer school to study a test that will be taken during a regular term. You might go back to bad habits.

Don't know much about Sheridan, but I think we need a more proven hands on guy every week.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Most coaches "systems" are an amalgamation of things they've picked up along the way under various mentors. Have to wonder if Butch is capable of thinking on his own and adjusting/adapting? Maybe he appears married to this system because it's all he knows to do? Great coaches have the instincts and ability to change when it's demanded. They adjust and adapt their "system" to their personnel. Those are the real "coaches". The other are copycats and frauds. Sooner or later, they are exposed and terminated. Question is....which one do we have?
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I think this has more to do with DeBord.. Butchs mentor for a long time was DeBord. So like it or not, DeBord has as much say in this offense too. Butch hired him to be his "2nd opinion". I'd assume if DeBord wanted adjustments, Butch would agree
 
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Debord is the QB coach along with Nick Sheridan a former GA and now offensive QC coach Nick Sheridan

"Mike Debord: Hired as Tennessee offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach on Feb. 6, 2015
Veteran of 30 years of coaching experience on the offensive side of the ball, coaching in 15 bowl games"

Via utsports.com
 
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