Real culture change

[VolForLife83]

Quote from Tennessee sophomore is not a good look for former UT head coach Jeremy Pruitt

 

[MWAVolfan]

Every new coach "changes the culture" of the program. The question, of course, would be is that culture a good culture or the right culture for the program.

 

[thunder5]

Every new coach "changes the culture" of the program. The question, of course, would be is that culture a good culture or the right culture for the program.

I was just about to say this...I heard it when Kiffin took over...don't remember hearing it as much with Dooley...then all we heard was the "brick by brick" culture change BS until it was clear the culture under Jones was terrible...then Pruitt comes in and is going to change the culture back to old school "big boy" football...

Now the culture is changing again and it is a great sign for the new staff and egg on the face of the old....I've just seen this too many times at this point...not buying it until I see consistent results

 

[butchna]

Every new coach "changes the culture" of the program. The question, of course, would be is that culture a good culture or the right culture for the program.

You quoted the first paragraph almost word for word.

 

[GAVol]

In other words . . . Pruett liked to scream and yell and the goal was to just not get yelled at anymore. If you're going to coach like that, you'd better have some success to back it up or players are going to tune out.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I was just about to say this...I heard it when Kiffin took over...don't remember hearing it as much with Dooley...then all we heard was the "brick by brick" culture change BS until it was clear the culture under Jones was terrible...then Pruitt comes in and is going to change the culture back to old school "big boy" football...

Now the culture is changing again and it is a great sign for the new staff and egg on the face of the old....I've just seen this too many times at this point...not buying it until I see consistent results

Agreed. The only “cultural” change I want to see is “win football games”. The rest is just noise

 

[VB_Vol]

Gust Avrakotos:
A boy is given a horse on his 14th birthday. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how wonderful." But a Zen master who lives in the village says, "We'll see." 'The boy falls off the horse and breaks his foot. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how awful." The Zen master says, "We'll see." The village is thrown into war and all the young men have to go to war. But, because of the broken foot, the boy stays behind. Everyone says, "Oh, how wonderful." The Zen master says, "We'll see."

 

[GAVol]

Gust Avrakotos:
A boy is given a horse on his 14th birthday. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how wonderful." But a Zen master who lives in the village says, "We'll see." 'The boy falls off the horse and breaks his foot. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how awful." The Zen master says, "We'll see." The village is thrown into war and all the young men have to go to war. But, because of the broken foot, the boy stays behind. Everyone says, "Oh, how wonderful." The Zen master says, "We'll see."

 

[sjt18]

In other words . . . Pruett liked to scream and yell and the goal was to just not get yelled at anymore. If you're going to coach like that, you'd better have some success to back it up or players are going to tune out.

Not sure where you read that in the article... but I didn't see that at all. The DL is definitely getting yelled at. The difference seems to be that Pruitt was negative and not leading in a clear direction. He was a manager and emphasized player responsibilities as a "business"... which was apparently interpreted as something that should be drudgery that you "have to get through" rather than something that's fun that you want to do.

I don't know if Heupel will succeed or not but he's leading in a radically different way than Pruitt.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Not sure where you read that in the article... but I didn't see that at all. The DL is definitely getting yelled at. The difference seems to be that Pruitt was negative and not leading in a clear direction. He was a manager and emphasized player responsibilities as a "business"... which was apparently interpreted as something that should be drudgery that you "have to get through" rather than something that's fun that you want to do.

I don't know if Heupel will succeed or not but he's leading in a radically different way than Pruitt.

It's one thing to yell and try to create a culture of accountability. It's another to yell, hire (and retain) your overmatched buddies, fail to make adjustments, fail to prepare properly, break rules, and continue to trot the same QB shell-shocked QB out there. Accountability and respect are two way streets.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Every new coach "changes the culture" of the program. The question, of course, would be is that culture a good culture or the right culture for the program.

You really should try reading the linked info, then thinking about it a bit, before attempting to comment on it.

When the sum total of your contribution to the thread is repeating almost the very first thing said by the author, you have added absolutely nothing to the conversation. You just look illiterate.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Butch's idea of changing the culture - Switching from ice cream to yogurt smoothies at the juice bar....

 

[05_never_again]

In other words . . . Pruett liked to scream and yell and the goal was to just not get yelled at anymore. If you're going to coach like that, you'd better have some success to back it up or players are going to tune out.

Saban's disciples do not understand is that the reason Saban is able to be the way he is is because of the reputation that precedes him. If you try to be like Saban without his record, you just run people off. I would almost guarantee that earlier his career, before he had the reputation he has today, Saban had a different approach for dealing with people.

 

[OrangeTsar]

In other words . . . Pruett liked to scream and yell and the goal was to just not get yelled at anymore. If you're going to coach like that, you'd better have some success to back it up or players are going to tune out.

We may never know for sure but I suspect that Pruitt probably have a screaming fit of epic proportions during halftime of the Georgia game last fall and lost the team never to regain them. It was day and night the performance and attitude of that team and it all changed at that halftime. It was almost like someone kidnapped the original players and replaced them with unmotivated doppelgängers. And I suspect the fact that he probably read the riot act to the OL and DL about not playing to their potential but kept failing to hold JG accountable for his game breaking mistakes destroyed any credibility his tough guy approach might have otherwise held. Instead of a tough but fair coach, that would have made him look like a bully who played favorites. Once that happened, Pruitt was finished as a HC

 

[McDad]

Gust Avrakotos:
A boy is given a horse on his 14th birthday. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how wonderful." But a Zen master who lives in the village says, "We'll see." 'The boy falls off the horse and breaks his foot. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how awful." The Zen master says, "We'll see." The village is thrown into war and all the young men have to go to war. But, because of the broken foot, the boy stays behind. Everyone says, "Oh, how wonderful." The Zen master says, "We'll see."

Average 3 posts per year. Is this one a gem from a poster who doesn't say much? McDad says, "we'll see".

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Gust Avrakotos:
A boy is given a horse on his 14th birthday. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how wonderful." But a Zen master who lives in the village says, "We'll see." 'The boy falls off the horse and breaks his foot. Everyone in the village says, "Oh how awful." The Zen master says, "We'll see." The village is thrown into war and all the young men have to go to war. But, because of the broken foot, the boy stays behind. Everyone says, "Oh, how wonderful." The Zen master says, "We'll see."

 

[GAVol]

Not sure where you read that in the article... but I didn't see that at all. The DL is definitely getting yelled at. The difference seems to be that Pruitt was negative and not leading in a clear direction. He was a manager and emphasized player responsibilities as a "business"... which was apparently interpreted as something that should be drudgery that you "have to get through" rather than something that's fun that you want to do.

I don't know if Heupel will succeed or not but he's leading in a radically different way than Pruitt.

It's not in the article. It's pure conjecture on my part based on stories I've heard, the way he always looked like he was about to blow a vein on the sidelines and let's just say I 100% know that he talked to officials like complete dogs.

 

[sjt18]

It's not in the article. It's pure conjecture on my part based on stories I've heard, the way he always looked like he was about to blow a vein on the sidelines and let's just say I 100% know that he talked to officials like complete dogs.

Oh, I was talking in terms of them not getting yelled at now rather than him beating them down. They're getting yelled at... but also being built back up.

 

[05_never_again]

It's not in the article. It's pure conjecture on my part based on stories I've heard, the way he always looked like he was about to blow a vein on the sidelines and let's just say I 100% know that he talked to officials like complete dogs.

You ever watched the video? I'm kind of ashamed to admit I watched about 30 minutes of it the other day. I couldn't help but notice that at least a dozen times, Pruitt pauses his explanation and says "Well, I'm not sure why that guy is doin' that, we do not teach 'em that, but I'll keep goin." I think he was totally oblivious to the fact that players constantly being in the wrong position on film is a bad reflection of him, not necessarily his players. If that statement is any insight into how he coached, it is no wonder is pissed guys off.

 

[VB_Vol]

I thought it was a good one. Besides, until recently, I used to just get on VN for the coaching searches...usually keeps me busy.

 

[VB_Vol]

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Great movie.

 

[MWAVolfan]

You really should try reading the linked info, then thinking about it a bit, before attempting to comment on it.

When the sum total of your contribution to the thread is repeating almost the very first thing said by the author, you have added absolutely nothing to the conversation. You just look illiterate.

hey pal! I read the article. The third sentence of said article implies that the culture change under Huepel is somehow "legitimate" which is what my comment directly refutes. All previous culture changes were also "legitimate" however they were not "good" changes.

 

[GAVol]

Oh, I was talking in terms of them not getting yelled at now rather than him beating them down. They're getting yelled at... but also being built back up.

Aren't we about 20 years past the simpleton "Scream and intimidate" approach? You can get people's attention without just flat out embarrassing them because you can.

 

[MWAVolfan]

You quoted the first paragraph almost word for word.

Yeah but then read the third sentence, implying that before Heupel there were no actual culture changes. This is what I was referring to. The original intent of the writer and my intent are different.

 

[OffTackleVol]

We may never know for sure but I suspect that Pruitt probably have a screaming fit of epic proportions during halftime of the Georgia game last fall and lost the team never to regain them. It was day and night the performance and attitude of that team and it all changed at that halftime. It was almost like someone kidnapped the original players and replaced them with unmotivated doppelgängers. And I suspect the fact that he probably read the riot act to the OL and DL about not playing to their potential but kept failing to hold JG accountable for his game breaking mistakes destroyed any credibility his tough guy approach might have otherwise held. Instead of a tough but fair coach, that would have made him look like a bully who played favorites. Once that happened, Pruitt was finished as a HC

Yep, 2nd half of the Georgia game and Gitmo's 2 pick sixes the following weekend ended the season. I don't care who wins the QB battle; our QB guru coach will decide that. I'm just freaking OVERJOYED that JG is gone.