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rach83 said:
Winning is the cure all. Some people need to face reality of where this program is before blaming others.
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I have been saying this for months a lot of these guys on here are in denial about who Tennessee really is. Once we star winning with the three stars like TAMU did then we can expect the big time recruits. Until then expect a class full of three starts blue chippers with the occasional 4 star sprinkled in.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
I have been saying this for months a lot of these guys on here are in denial about who Tennessee really is. One we star winning with the three stars like TAMU did then we can expect the big time recruits. Until then expect a class full of three starts blue chippers with the occasional 4 star sprinkled in.
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This hurt my brain to read....
 
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vol-org said:
Michigan iS going back to the pro set.I'm talking about long term in the pros. I can't think of any running back in the s.e.c that was in a spread system having sucess in the pros.
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Some think Spurrier brought a type of spread to the SEC, but the true spread was brought in by Meyer. That was only 2005. So there isn't a great sample size. Auburn's featured back isn't even out of college yet. The two QB's that won titles and Heisman's made it to the NFL although we know Tebow is not a good pro.

But it really shouldn't be an issue in the SEC. Teams have shown versions if the spread can work, and good players will play in the NFL. I am skeptical that the spread will ever work long term in the NFL because of injuring the QB. You just can't take that many hits at the pro level, and QB's won't have Peyton or Favre length careers if they run a spread full time.
 
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Green was never coming here. He grew up a Wolverine fan. We all know how some of these recruits like to be the center of attention, he had to have a top 3 so he could have the media there to do the "hats on the table" routine. He had to pick a couple of other teams so he could play the game. Unfortunately, the Vols were one of those teams and gave of a lot of fans high hopes about something that was never gonna happen.
 
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ric1958 said:
Green was never coming here. He grew up a Wolverine fan. We all know how some of these recruits like to be the center of attention, he had to have a top 3 so he could have the media there to do the "hats on the table" routine. He had to pick a couple of other teams so he could play the game. Unfortunately, the Vols were one of those teams and gave of a lot of fans high hopes about something that was never gonna happen.
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Funny how this same logic is thrown out the window with Bell. Do you seriously believe that Bama isnt a real option because he grew up a UT fan.
 
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I too, try and forget our Record over the last few years. The simple fact is that these young men do not. They want to win and a winner is where a large, almost all of them, would prefer to go. It will be difficult to get the caliber of player most of you think we should have until we start winning more games. This is not a instant cure process, this will take time. Patience is necessary!!!
 
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ric1958 said:
Green was never coming here. He grew up a Wolverine fan. We all know how some of these recruits like to be the center of attention, he had to have a top 3 so he could have the media there to do the "hats on the table" routine. He had to pick a couple of other teams so he could play the game. Unfortunately, the Vols were one of those teams and gave of a lot of fans high hopes about something that was never gonna happen.
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I agree. Some people on this board are so naive.:eek:lol:
 
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rach83 said:
Winning is the cure all. Some people need to face reality of where this program is before blaming others.
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ReelfootVol said:
Amen Brother !!!! Some people on this board really expect us to get the blue chippers with our terrible record over the last 3 or 4 years. No way !!!!!! Until we prove ourselves on the field, we will have to be satisfied with leftovers !
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This..........

I can't believe we were in on him this long with our record the last 5 years and yet another coaching change. To be in on the other guys we are in on this late is a testament to how hard CBJ and staff have been working. For anyone to think otherwise is just crazy. Win and this is a moot point.


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So Graham only gets credit for RBs recruited or blamed for RBs not landed? I guess since they don't play RB he doesn't get credit for Riley Ferguson, Malik Foreman, Jaylen Reaves Maybin, and Paul Harris? That's just this year. He brought in Meradith last year as well with limited time. It's not like dude has failed. He's brought in some damn good players and done a damn fine job coaching our RBs. Perhaps our former HC failing miserably hurts more than some think with some of these big fish RBs.

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driscokid said:
I hear from an unnamed source on another site that we backed off him at the last minute so he picked Michigan...rumor but heard we didn't think that haircut would fly up in the K Town...
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Yesterday was the first time I have seen tape of Green and I thought he look like he has a long of extra weight. I think he is not in very good shape and wonder if he is as dedicated as he needs to be. I was disappointed when he committed to Missagain, but we may be better off with someone else.
 
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RichRollin said:
So Graham only gets credit for RBs recruited or blamed for RBs not landed? I guess since they don't play RB he doesn't get credit for Riley Ferguson, Malik Foreman, Jaylen Reaves Maybin, and Paul Harris? That's just this year. He brought in Meradith last year as well with limited time. It's not like dude has failed. He's brought in some damn good players and done a damn fine job coaching our RBs. Perhaps our former HC failing miserably hurts more than some think with some of these big fish RBs.

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This. Some people really dont have the full concept of recruiting.
 
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sthoma32 said:
I know im stating the obvious and love my vols but this has gotten ridiculous since we landed Brown and Oku. Graham is a great coach but hasn't shown the Marcus Lattimore recruiter I expected. Don't get me wrong were lucky to have him and I know he's a good recruiter just aggrevating we can't land the big time RB we need. Seems were always one step behind like Green. Were in desperate need of a winning season and bowl win
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I agree to a certain extent, but let's face it...Hamilton single-handedly set this program back 4+ yrs, by hiring Dooley when he could have hired Sumlin. If I saw Hamilton in public, I would be so tempted to punch him right in the kisser....choosing a prospect with a toxic HC'ing resume (Kiffin), then turning around and hiring one even worse.

Hiring Sumlin then, would have been the equivalent to hiring Strong or Butch Jones, today. Not a huge splash hire, but solid. We have had to not only endure a coach who had no business coaching an SEC team, but we had to wait until he ran the program off the rails...and then give him another year just to make sure they were completely off the tracks.

Hart is equally culpable in my book. After losing to KY for the first time in almost 30yrs, and then having 80% of his staff abandon Dooley, voluntarily...Hart should have pulled the plug then. His decision to let the obvious play out, cost us a chance to get Sumlin....again. Instead TAM gets him.

I think CBJ is just going to have to coach his arse off and make do with what he has. We may get lucky with a few in this class, but it seems we are going to be dining on pork and beans, instead of the steak and potatoes we used to. Again...you have Hamilton to thank for that.
 
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Speaking of Green -

Big 10 (or any other conference) vs. SEC

Ok...I'm a huge UT fan and always pull for every SEC team against non-conference teams. With that said.....

If you're a 5* running back with dreams of going pro....

Which conference would you rather run in?

Against Iowa, Iowa State, Northwestern, Wisconsin (not known for defense), Michigan State, Michigan (also not known for their defense)...

or

Against Alabama (always has a 1st round draft pick on defense), ditto LSU, Florida, Auburn, UT, UGA, Miss St, aTm, etc...

If you were going to expend some of your playing days in college, I can understand why someone would pick a name-brand school (like Michigan) which is not in the SEC to put up some gaudy numbers with a lessened chance of a career ending injury, get a high draft pick and then enter the NFL probably in a top round. I can most certainly hear some other conference recruiters telling offensive playmakers that their chances of success outside of the SEC are greater than within. They'll use Lattimore as an example - "Take for example UT. Went 5-7. Their defense destroyed Lattimore's knee. Do you want to be the next Lattimore?"

Football is a dangerous sport. But to use an NFL example, I'd rather run against the likes of the Jets or Cowboys instead run against the Ravens or Steelers.

As the SEC gets more and more defensively minded, I wouldn't be surprised to see more offensive players head to other conferences to avoid the "Lattimore experience".
 
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cbbowlingmd said:
Can we give the staff turnover a chance to settle down before we blame CJG for not landing Green? Ridiculous. Come on man.
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Agreed. Lets give this staff a chance. I feel the same frustration everyone feels but lets face it, we aren't where we were. All we have to sell is playing time right when they get there. I think The current coaches will change that.
 
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The big boy Green will do fine in the Big Ten, he is more of a 1 cut and motor over people which suits him perfit at UM, and he wont behind 2 above average RB like we have at UT. 2nd this line will only be here one more year...big boy like Green needs holes that you can see not cracks like sec makes because the D-Players in the SEC. I believe we need more of a RB that can cut and move thru slots and then break it.

You also got to understand there is a 3rd part to all of this, is how CBJ was going to play DG..he may have gotten a YOUR the Man at UM...than to be honest that he would get a change to win the position..
 
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utvols74 said:
Speaking of Green -

Big 10 (or any other conference) vs. SEC

Ok...I'm a huge UT fan and always pull for every SEC team against non-conference teams. With that said.....

If you're a 5* running back with dreams of going pro....

Which conference would you rather run in?

Against Iowa, Iowa State, Northwestern, Wisconsin (not known for defense), Michigan State, Michigan (also not known for their defense)...

or

Against Alabama (always has a 1st round draft pick on defense), ditto LSU, Florida, Auburn, UT, UGA, Miss St, aTm, etc...

If you were going to expend some of your playing days in college, I can understand why someone would pick a name-brand school (like Michigan) which is not in the SEC to put up some gaudy numbers with a lessened chance of a career ending injury, get a high draft pick and then enter the NFL probably in a top round. I can most certainly hear some other conference recruiters telling offensive playmakers that their chances of success outside of the SEC are greater than within. They'll use Lattimore as an example - "Take for example UT. Went 5-7. Their defense destroyed Lattimore's knee. Do you want to be the next Lattimore?"

Football is a dangerous sport. But to use an NFL example, I'd rather run against the likes of the Jets or Cowboys instead run against the Ravens or Steelers.

As the SEC gets more and more defensively minded, I wouldn't be surprised to see more offensive players head to other conferences to avoid the "Lattimore experience".
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Absurd! And by that I'm being nice. I mean what are the chances of a kid getting Mcgahee'd against the HS level Big 10? Some of you have clearly let the SEC dominance distort your perception of reality.
 
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WebbCobb said:
I am also interested to see how well this staff coaches the players. Recruiting aside, w/o great coaching you're not going to win big.
Now that said, there is nothing that prohibits having great coaching and great recruits. It's not an "either-or" situation.
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This 100000000000000
 
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Is every OP on the rag these days? Seems to me like complete irrationality followed by sadness or blame.

So we lost green big deal one damn guy. And don't say it happens every year, maybe for the last few but come on man
 
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RichRollin said:
Absurd! And by that I'm being nice. I mean what are the chances of a kid getting Mcgahee'd against the HS level Big 10? Some of you have clearly let the SEC dominance distort your perception of reality.
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Absurd? I think not. I'm thinking from a business person's (read "risk management") perspective. Perhaps you've had some experience with that?

Its hard not to think your conference is dominant when it just won 7 NATIONAL TITLES in a ROW and completely b*tch-slapped the #1 team in the nation and could probably do the same with any of the other non-conference top 5 teams. Even ESPN acknowledges the strength of SEC's defense.
 
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RichRollin said:
So Graham only gets credit for RBs recruited or blamed for RBs not landed? I guess since they don't play RB he doesn't get credit for Riley Ferguson, Malik Foreman, Jaylen Reaves Maybin, and Paul Harris? That's just this year. He brought in Meradith last year as well with limited time. It's not like dude has failed. He's brought in some damn good players and done a damn fine job coaching our RBs. Perhaps our former HC failing miserably hurts more than some think with some of these big fish RBs.

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Hope I'm not straying from the thread here, but does anybody know where we stand with Keyonte Green?
 
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utvols74 said:
Absurd? I think not. I'm thinking from a business person's (read "risk management") perspective. Perhaps you've had some experience with that?

Its hard not to think your conference is dominant when it just won 7 NATIONAL TITLES in a ROW and completely b*tch-slapped the #1 team in the nation and could probably do the same with any of the other non-conference top 5 teams. Even ESPN acknowledges the strength of SEC's defense.
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7 NCs in a row have nothing to do with my statement. I was referring to the notion that a player would avoid the SEC to avoid injury. What happened to Latimore could happen to anyone in any league. To insinuate that it couldn't happen in the Big 10 but only in the big bad SEC is.... ABSURD. I stand by my statement.
 
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Probably was pretty easy for CJG to recruit Lattimore to SC simply because that was the in-state school and he probably WANTED to play there no matter who recruited him. Who woulda thunk?
 
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