Rational Observation on Coaching Turnover (Long)

#76
#76
Thought I had Britton and Dustin on the thread here...

Since you guys are in the know, when they lose their confidence as obviously Palardy did there, can we bring in a kicking specialist to work with them? Do the NCAA rules allow us to bring in a Hentrich type for a few days?

Stick with the Billy Bob theme?

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The AA frowns upon paid consultants. I'm sure they could quietly sneak a few "volunteers" that would help if asked.
 
#77
#77
Evidently our non kicking specialist coaches don't know anybody named Colquitt, Reviez, Wilhoit, Becksvort or Hall to call in for support and tutoring, or maybe they have and our kicking game still sucked. I'm pretty certain that Wilhoit has worked with Lincoln, Cunningham and Palardy. Wilhoit can even be seen on the sideline during the games for crying out loud. Either way kickers count in special teams evaluation, to say otherwise is beyond moronic.
 
#78
#78
Evidently our non kicking specialist coaches don't know anybody named Colquitt, Reviez, Wilhoit, Becksvort or Hall to call in for support and tutoring, or maybe they have and our kicking game still sucked. I'm pretty certain that Wilhoit has worked with Lincoln, Cunningham and Palardy. Wilhoit can even be seen on the sideline during the games for crying out loud. Either way kickers count in special teams evaluation, to say otherwise is beyond moronic.

It doesn't matter what the "kicking specialists" say. If it doesn't improve...the accountability lies with one man....and it won't be the special teams coach.
 
#80
#80
I know many on this board aren’t open to rational thought (or long posts), but the consternation over what has transpired since Wilcox and Sirmon left compelled me to offer a little perspective.

Yesterday marked Dooley’s two-year anniversary on the job. When he was hired on Jan. 15, 2010, he had 18 full days before NSD to put a staff together and salvage his first recruiting class. By all accounts, he did a solid job with the recruiting class. He assembled the following staff of nine in that short time as well: Chaney OC, Heistand OL, Baggett WR, Russell TE/ST, Hinshaw QB, Wilcox DC, Smith DL, Thompson LB, Joseph DB/RC. Of the nine, he had previous experience working with two of them – Russell and Joseph.

After one season, he kept the staff intact with the exception of Smith, which regardless of his status as a former Vol, was the absolute right thing to do. One season was all Dooley needed to endure to know he made a mistake. Replacing him with Sirmon was a huge upgrade on the recruiting side and sliding Thompson to DL was an easy transition.

Fast forward to this season which, record wise, played out about the way most thought it would. The need for two coaching changes was readily apparent over the course of the season: 1) Heistand couldn’t teach his line to run block and he didn’t recruit; and 2) Russell’s Special Teams were anything but. So within the last month Baggett, Russell, Wilcox/Sirmon, Heistand and Thompson have left. Of those six, the only one Dooley didn’t want to see leave was Sirmon because he, along with Wilcox and Joseph, was one of the top recruiters on the staff. Heistand and Russell had to happen. Dooley knew Wilcox would eventually go back West and may have pulled the trigger himself this offseason. And while the whole Baggett thing is mystifying, it appears he may have just said “I’ve been doing this too long to put up with this s***.”

The DC and OL hires have been homeruns, as was adding Graham to coach RBs. And by all accounts Dooley has Bisaccia lined up to coach ST. Replacing Baggett with Hinshaw made perfect sense – he’s coached the position before and is a stud recruiter.

That leaves Thompson. Thompson hasn’t gotten a chance at a DC gig for a reason – well several reasons. Dooley never considered him, and knew when he hired Sunseri that it was likely Thompson would leave. What’s interesting, and even further confirmation of the strength of the Sunseri hire, is that Saban is so pissed Dooley lured Sunseri away he’s gone and hired Lance back to return the favor.

So two years after assembling a staff in what could only resemble a round of speed dating, Dooley has added three new faces – Graham RB, Pittman OL and Sunseri DC – all of whom are upgrades, and the likelihood of another upgrade with Bisaccia TE/ST. That leaves the DL and LB spots to fill with Sunseri’s input.

Don’t forget four pretty good NFL staffs just became approachable over the weekend and two more will be next Monday. I look forward to seeing how much more this staff improves.
I couldn't agree more. An 8 or 9 win season will make Dooley look really smart for these moves/hires
 
#84
#84
8 wins with that schedule is the least acceptable...9 should be required.
I agree with this. Going into 2011, most on here probably wouldn't have been happy with 8 wins in year 3. The coaching staff screwing up in 2011 shouldn't lower our expectations for them.
 
#85
#85
For the record...with this much turnover seemingly overnight....it is just as rational to conclude that people are getting out while they can.

Look, I always contend that losing a coach is just another opportunity to improve your program. Replacing what amounts to be the entirety of your staff....that makes it a different animal.
 
#86
#86
For the record...with this much turnover seemingly overnight....it is just as rational to conclude that people are getting out while they can.

Look, I always contend that losing a coach is just another opportunity to improve your program. Replacing what amounts to be the entirety of your staff....that makes it a different animal.
Honey badger don't give a sheet.
 
#87
#87
For the record...with this much turnover seemingly overnight....it is just as rational to conclude that people are getting out while they can.

Look, I always contend that losing a coach is just another opportunity to improve your program. Replacing what amounts to be the entirety of your staff....that makes it a different animal.

If you split the turnover from last year to this year, you can cut down on some of he transition pains. Having to deal with it in one offseason is scary.
 
#89
#89
If you split the turnover from last year to this year, you can cut down on some of he transition pains. Having to deal with it in one offseason is scary.
Its the change of schemes that worry me. Dooley is going all in with this tactic.
 
#94
#94
Wouldn't worry too much.

Didn't buy Fulmer one it actually pushed him out the door. I know its apples and oranges but its da truth.
Sounds good. I can understand being patient with changing schemes if the coach has proven himself or is just starting, but doing it in what is already supposed to be a judgement year for a coach shouldn't get him a pass.
 
#95
#95
I hope the change of schemes doesn't buy him an extra year if it's undeserved.

Assuming Chaney stays, we are keeping the same offensive scheme...right? I haven't heard any different but perhaps I missed something?
 
#96
#96
Dooley has one year. No amount of finger pointing or excuses gets him another if he doesn't start winning
 
#97
#97
Dooley has one year. No amount of finger pointing or excuses gets him another if he doesn't start winning
Which it should be. I think he should have to go over .500 in SEC play to keep his job, but I doubt that will be the expectation.
 
#98
#98
Assuming Chaney stays, we are keeping the same offensive scheme...right? I haven't heard any different but perhaps I missed something?
I'm sure the line coach will do things differently as will the new RB coach and the new WR coach. May be the same principle offense but I would think they will be learning need methods etc.
 

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