rankings vs respect

[08Vol]

What blows my mind is how does texas and Wisconsin go from being unranked to #10 and #11??

If you're seriously asking, going into week one the voters have the least amount of info to go on. Compare this to the last poll when you have 12-15 games to go on. The voters didn't know how Texas would look with a freshman QB or if their players have finally bought in to Charlie Strong. He came out slinging the ball accurately and it appears Charlie Strong's players have bought in. Those 2 unknowns became knowns so the pollsters moved them up.

Compare that to UT, we returned the most experienced O-line in the SEC and a QB who made electric plays with his legs. After our 1st game our O-line looked weak and Dobbs made more mistakes than big plays. Those 2 things that the voters thought were knowns became unknowns

 

[ImportedVoL]

And you can't say "if this would have happened then we'd have done this instead of that and this would've happened". At least the poster you responded to was dealing in what actually happened as opposed to all the subjective, completely unknowable things you're talking about.

At the very least, what in the world makes you think Jones would've gone for two? We already saw he's averse to doing that when it's the smart play last year, so that's another strike against your thoughts here.

:banghead2: it is like talking to a brick wall..

When things like this are said..your essentially talking about time travel.. you go back and change something...anything..no matter how small or minute it may seem..and everything from that point forward becomes a complete uncertainty.

Let's say you go back..and make CBJ cut a nasty smelling fart at beginning of game..well how could this effect the game in any way you think to your self?.. well Sutton happened to be standing by him..the far makes him sick...so he can't go return that first punt..so they send out Berry to return it instead..he returns that punt for a TD...app st never gets that spark of hope..score ends up 63 to 0...all over a fart...

Now go back and change a kick being good and imagine what that could effect...sense of urgency? Check...play calls...check .

There is no way to tell what else might have happened. So saying if either of those kicks were good then we lose..is idiotic...to say we still would have won is equally idiotic..there is no way to tell, and therefore a mute point to even talk about.

 

[KBVol]

:banghead2: it is like talking to a brick wall..

When things like this are said..your essentially talking about time travel.. you go back and change something...anything..no matter how small or minute it may seem..and everything from that point forward becomes a complete uncertainty.

Let's say you go back..and make CBJ cut a nasty smelling fart at beginning of game..well how could this effect the game in any way you think to your self?.. well Sutton happened to be standing by him..the far makes him sick...so he can't go return that first punt..so they send out Berry to return it instead..he returns that punt for a TD...app st never gets that spark of hope..score ends up 63 to 0...all over a fart...

Now go back and change a kick being good and imagine what that could effect...sense of urgency? Check...play calls...check .

There is no way to tell what else might have happened. So saying if either of those kicks were good then we lose..is idiotic...to say we still would have won is equally idiotic..there is no way to tell, and therefore a mute point to even talk about.

First off, the premise of your argument has to do with time travel ...... something that indeed does not exist. So there's that.


Yes, I understand the concept of dynamic vs static. Different things happen in a given period of time that change or might've changed the occurrences that follow. Woulda, coulda, shoulda type stuff.

It's like in economics where some argue the "Zero Sum" theory that, IMO, is hogwash, since every action has a reaction, etc, etc. I get all that, your point wasn't lost on me.

All I'm saying is that your original thought was pretty much all hypothetical and speculation. Everything happened in the App State game, it's in the past, and now we can comment on what actually happened as opposed to what might have happened had a different set of actions happened.....which by the way, did not actually happen. That's all.

And as it turns out, fir thise of us living in the here and now, had App State hit the extra point, and certainly had they hit the pretty routine field goal as well, we'd have lost the game given the other circumstances that we saw play out.

I'm certain you're looking for another emoticon right about now to express your even further heightened level of frustration, but that's just my opinion. Your theory of time travel and what might have happened.....vs a reality-based approach that examines what actually did happen.

 

[Northern Vol Fan]

What blows my mind is how does texas and Wisconsin go from being unranked to #10 and #11??

I for one am glad that happens. Why on earth should pre-season polls affect week one polls? I wish there was way more movement in the early weeks. The only thing that's an issue is we don't know how good Appy St is vs. ND or LSU.

 

[ImportedVoL]

First off, the premise of your argument has to do with time travel ...... something that indeed does not exist. So there's that.


Yes, I understand the concept of dynamic vs static. Different things happen in a given period of time that change or might've changed the occurrences that follow. Woulda, coulda, shoulda type stuff.

It's like in economics where some argue the "Zero Sum" theory that, IMO, is hogwash, since every action has a reaction, etc, etc. I get all that, your point wasn't lost on me.

All I'm saying is that your original thought was pretty much all hypothetical and speculation. Everything happened in the App State game, it's in the past, and now we can comment on what actually happened as opposed to what might have happened had a different set of actions happened.....which by the way, did not actually happen. That's all.

And as it turns out, fir thise of us living in the here and now, had App State hit the extra point, and certainly had they hit the pretty routine field goal as well, we'd have lost the game given the other circumstances that we saw play out.

I'm certain you're looking for another emoticon right about now to express your even further heightened level of frustration, but that's just my opinion. Your theory of time travel and what might have happened.....vs a reality-based approach that examines what actually did happen.

The point being what did happen wouldnt have happened had any circumstance changed.

But for the sake of argument..if they get to change one or even both kicks..then we get to change the punt return fumble..subtracting the TD the got because of it..

So even giving them both kicks...final score 13 to 10..they still would not have won

And that's giving them 2 outcome changes to 1.

Again..to even talk about this junk is idiotic

 

[volgrl]

Dropping to 17th is directly related to a total disrespect for Appt St., which although seems extreme, I could agree with if it was done consistently.

So what happens if (when) they play and beat the canes in a couple of weeks? Will we get those votes back or are they lost regardless?

Dropping to 17th is directly related to total respect for Tennessee IMO! I don't think we are coached well enough to be a top 10 team at this point...even though the talent says so. I think we are luck to be 17 after a terrible performance early in the match. The positive is that winners find a way to WIN! We did that on Saturday and came back when the wind was knocked out of our mighty over ranked sails. Don't get me wrong...I love the hype and being ranked in the top 10 feels amazing after the drought but only if we earn it. That's what the next 11 games are for! Fingers crossed! Breath held! GBO!

 

[photovol]

The Vols played like kittens against Appalachian State and based on that performance are lucky to still be in the top 25