Rank these QB's...

#127
#127
hatvol96 said:
Don't let facts get in the way of Casey bashing.
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That's quite rich coming from the Peyton Manning basher. Hat, for you it's Peyton. For me, it's Casey. Casey was a good quarterback, but he was far from the second best quarterback to ever play at UT, and I enjoy getting people worked up over a debate about his career. He is 2nd in stats due to the fact that he played four seasons. Had Tee Martin or Heath Shuler started for four seasons, I believe that their stats would have surpassed Casey Clausen's stats. That is supported by an analysis of their stats per season played at UT, where they both surpass Casey Clausen.

It's hard to believe that somebody that bashes the undisputed statiscal leader in both college and the NFL (prorated for the number of years he has played in the NFL) would make a statement against someone else arguing that a player is overrated.
 
#129
#129
Vol423 said:
That's quite rich coming from the Peyton Manning basher. Hat, for you it's Peyton. For me, it's Casey. Casey was a good quarterback, but he was far from the second best quarterback to ever play at UT, and I enjoy getting people worked up over a debate about his career. He is 2nd in stats due to the fact that he played four seasons. Had Tee Martin or Heath Shuler started for four seasons, I believe that their stats would have surpassed Casey Clausen's stats. That is supported by an analysis of their stats per season played at UT, where they both surpass Casey Clausen.

It's hard to believe that somebody that bashes the undisputed statiscal leader in both college and the NFL (prorated for the number of years he has played in the NFL) would make a statement against someone else arguing that a player is overrated.
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Not accurate. If you compare the average numbers for seasons in which they were the starter for the entire season, Clausen's numbers are superior to both Shuler and Martin. I'm not sure what part of Clausen having 3 of the 10 best statistical seasons in UT history you can't comprehend. Shuler and Martin each started for two seasons and hit that list only once. Clausen makes the list each season he was the primary starter. Those are the facts. They're not that difficult to grasp.
 
#131
#131
Vol423 said:
One of has a mental disability all right, but it's the one of us that is stating that is arguing that I am twisting his words by making a direct quote.
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You left out the beginning of my sentence, which is important. You also left out "us" in the above post. Go back to school.
 
#132
#132
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
This is where you make the mistake of assuming that Casey playing 4 years helped his stats. :birgits_giggle:
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That is correct. Casey is 2nd in most statistical categories amongst UT QB's mostly due to the fact that he also played more at UT than any other QB other than Peyton.
 
#133
#133
Vol423 said:
That is correct. Casey is 2nd in most statistical categories amongst UT QB's mostly due to the fact that he also played more at UT than any other QB other than Peyton.
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Whether this is true or not, one must ask the following question: Does being ranked behind Peyton Manning, Tee Martin, or Heath Shuler make one a bad QB? Honestly who gives a crap what these guys potentially could have done? They didn't do it. Casey did.
 
#134
#134
Casey Clausen's baby blue, fuzzy Fubu jogging suit is the greatest quarterback fashion statement, ever, on The Hill. Well, minus Peyton Manning's K-Mart clothing on his wax statue.
 
#135
#135
Vol423 said:
That is correct. Casey is 2nd in most statistical categories amongst UT QB's mostly due to the fact that he also played more at UT than any other QB other than Peyton.
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If you throw out all of Casey's freshmen numbers, where would he end up? If he ends up second in most of the categories still, would that take the air out of your argument? :ermm:
 
#136
#136
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
If you throw out all of Casey's freshmen numbers, where would he end up? If he ends up second in most of the categories still, would that take the air out of your argument? :ermm:
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The simplest way to settle his assertion is this: Erase Clausen's freshmen numbers, then subtract Martin and Shuler's numbers from Casey's. That will show what kind of season Tee or Heath would have had to have to surpass Clausen's numbers if they had started three years.
 
#137
#137
hatvol96 said:
The simplest way to settle his assertion is this: Erase Clausen's freshmen numbers, then subtract Martin and Shuler's numbers from Casey's. That will show what kind of season Tee or Heath would have had to have to surpass Clausen's numbers if they had started three years.
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It would be nice if you could simulate how the other QBs would do throwing to a converted QB and a converted DB behind an O-line that was always injured.
 
#138
#138
hatvol96 said:
The simplest way to settle his assertion is this: Erase Clausen's freshmen numbers, then subtract Martin and Shuler's numbers from Casey's. That will show what kind of season Tee or Heath would have had to have to surpass Clausen's numbers if they had started three years.
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I ran the math: Eliminating his freshman year, Casey had 8,234 yards passing and 60 TDs. I didn't erase the stats for Martin and Shuler during their years as backups, because they're statistically insignificant. For Martin to catch Clausen, he would have had to have a season in which he threw for 3,742 yards and 28 TDs. Shuler would have had to throw for 4,146 yards and 24 TDs to match Clausen's three year totals. God, I love debunking silly myths.
 
#139
#139
kptvol said:
It would be nice if you could simulate how the other QBs would do throwing to a converted QB and a converted DB behind an O-line that was always injured.
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I don't disagree, but he also threw the ball about 40 times a night
 
#140
#140
hatvol96 said:
I ran the math: Eliminating his freshman year, Casey had 8,234 yards passing and 60 TDs. I didn't erase the stats for Martin and Shuler during their years as backups, because they're statistically insignificant. For Martin to catch Clausen, he would have had to have a season in which he threw for 3,742 yards and 28 TDs. Shuler would have had to throw for 4,146 yards and 24 TDs to match Clausen's three year totals. God, I love debunking silly myths.
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Just curious, if you threw out Ainge's 2005, what would his numbers be? :birgits_giggle:
 
#142
#142
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
Casey is second on just about every stat. category and he won 2 games in the Swamp. :unsure:
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So, Peyton never won against UF in 4 tries and you clearly don't think Casey is better than PM.

I don't dislike Casey, he was the best we had on campus while he was here period! BUT if you put him in the same class(incoming) as most of the other QB's on the list, he never becomes "2nd in most ever stat. category":no:

Looking at my list I wish I had put Kelly 9. and Casey 8.
 
#143
#143
BANG said:
Looking at my list I wish I had put Kelly 9. and Casey 8.
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Psss... come here. **whisper** You're missing the point. This is a Ainge diss thread.

Just look at how he compares to the rest of the QB's we've had in the past 30 years. :birgits_giggle:
 
#145
#145
hatvol96 said:
I ran the math: Eliminating his freshman year, Casey had 8,234 yards passing and 60 TDs. I didn't erase the stats for Martin and Shuler during their years as backups, because they're statistically insignificant. For Martin to catch Clausen, he would have had to have a season in which he threw for 3,742 yards and 28 TDs. Shuler would have had to throw for 4,146 yards and 24 TDs to match Clausen's three year totals. God, I love debunking silly myths.
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Nicely done. I've never quite understood why people want to make Casey Clausen the scapegoat for the fact that our teams just were not that good while he was here. The guy played well, he played hurt, and he didn't make excuses when things went wrong. Oh, and he won twice in Gainesville. He may not have been that great, but at times he played like a warrior. And that's about all you can ask from a man.

If I gotta go to war, I'm going with

1) Manning
2) Robinson
3) Martin
4) C. Clausen
5) Shuler

The rest might as well be playing first base for the Rockies. And rating Ainge right now is crazy; this is the year that will define his career at UT. Let's see what we think in December.
 
#146
#146
Vercingetorix said:
Nicely done. I've never quite understood why people want to make Casey Clausen the scapegoat for the fact that our teams just were not that good while he was here. The guy played well, he played hurt, and he didn't make excuses when things went wrong. Oh, and he won twice in Gainesville. He may not have been that great, but at times he played like a warrior.
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Was at a game here in Memphis when a DT had him dead to rights in the backfield and Casey threw his a$$ off and completed a pass downfield. He gained my respect immediately. Not to mention the 6 OT game against Arkansas he played with a separated shoulder.
 
#148
#148
Vercingetorix said:
. . . And rating Ainge right now is crazy; this is the year that will define his career at UT. Let's see what we think in December.
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What are you thinking? Why would we ever reserve judgment on anything? That would be a direct violation of message board law.:p
 
#149
#149
Vercingetorix said:
Nicely done. I've never quite understood why people want to make Casey Clausen the scapegoat for the fact that our teams just were not that good while he was here. The guy played well, he played hurt, and he didn't make excuses when things went wrong. Oh, and he won twice in Gainesville. He may not have been that great, but at times he played like a warrior. And that's about all you can ask from a man.

If I gotta go to war, I'm going with

1) Manning
2) Robinson
3) Martin
4) C. Clausen
5) Shuler

The rest might as well be playing first base for the Rockies. And rating Ainge right now is crazy; this is the year that will define his career at UT. Let's see what we think in December.
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Great Post.

Agree with all of that.:good!:
 
#150
#150
Vercingetorix said:
Nicely done. I've never quite understood why people want to make Casey Clausen the scapegoat for the fact that our teams just were not that good while he was here. The guy played well, he played hurt, and he didn't make excuses when things went wrong. Oh, and he won twice in Gainesville. He may not have been that great, but at times he played like a warrior. And that's about all you can ask from a man.

If I gotta go to war, I'm going with

1) Manning
2) Robinson
3) Martin
4) C. Clausen
5) Shuler

The rest might as well be playing first base for the Rockies. And rating Ainge right now is crazy; this is the year that will define his career at UT. Let's see what we think in December.
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If I'm going to war, there's no chance in Hades I'm taking Heath Shuler ahead of Andy Kelly.
 
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