Rank the SEC Coaches as if you were hiring for UT

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duckman398686 said:
Kiffin's class ended up being a bust in large part due to all the attrition that happened after he left........

That class still had a nice chance to turn out good had Kiffin not bolted for USC early.....even with the gas station debacle that happened.
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Your last statement of had a chance had he not bolted is just a guess. It had already fallen apart before he left. All we have to compare are the classes and the number of players playing minutes.

You guys basing an opinion on kiffin being a good recruiter at UT by the rivals rankings are out of your mind. It's just a ranking prior to any player playing a college down. By a bunch of random dudes who talk to other random dudes and make a ranking. The real judge of recruiting is how many good football players end up on the field making plays for that program, not how many plays players should have or coul, but never did jack squat..
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Your last statement of had a chance had he not bolted is just a guess. It had already fallen apart before he left. All we have to compare are the classes and the number of players playing minutes.

You guys basing an opinion on kiffin being a good recruiter at UT by the rivals rankings are out of your mind. It's just a ranking prior to any player playing a college down. By a bunch of random dudes who talk to other random dudes and make a ranking. The real judge of recruiting is how many good football players end up on the field making plays for that program, not how many plays players should have or coul, but never did jack squat..
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And it's not a guess to say that those players in his recruiting clas wouldn't have panned out had he stayed?

And where in my post did I say that i'm basing everything on rivals rankings? Kiffin was said to be an ace recruiter at USC before he came to UT.
 
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duckman398686 said:
And it's not a guess to say that those players in his recruiting clas wouldn't have panned out had he stayed?

And where in my post did I say that i'm basing everything on rivals rankings? Kiffin was said to be an ace recruiter at USC before he came to UT.
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He appears to be a great recruiter at USC, where he used to hang out at Reggie Bush's malibu crib.
Doesn't mean he could recruit the same at UT. Many coaches struggle changing coasts. Different league. Different part of the country. Different type of people.

You guys are just going by hypotheticals. Well yes, hypothetically, if Kiffin would have stayed, would have recruited well, and would have had bama type attrition, he wouldve been a good recruiter at UT. But factually, none of that happened.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
He appears to be a great recruiter at USC, where he used to hang out at Reggie Bush's malibu crib.
Doesn't mean he could recruit the same at UT. Many coaches struggle changing coasts. Different league. Different part of the country. Different type of people.

You guys are just going by hypotheticals. Well yes, hypothetically, if Kiffin would have stayed, would have recruited well, and would have had bama type attrition, he wouldve been a good recruiter at UT. But factually, none of that happened.
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Yeah - he has really struggled getting guys out of our backyard - just doesn't mesh with us east coasters I guess. Wait.. whoops.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Yeah - he has really struggled getting guys out of our backyard - just doesn't mesh with us east coasters I guess. Wait.. whoops.
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It's USC. Hollywood. Socal. Heisman trophy school machine. Any kid who played football on a competitive level thought it would be badass to play for USC. Has nothing to do with kiffin there or not. Pete Carroll did it before him with Patrick turner. It's not hard to convince a kid or two to leave redneck laced Tennessee or ky and go to LA for a change in culture.
You act as if he is pulling them to Minnesota or Wyoming. It's USC.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
It's USC. Hollywood. Socal. Heisman trophy school machine. Any kid who played football on a competitive level thought it would be badass to play for USC. Has nothing to do with kiffin there or not. Pete Carroll did it before him with Patrick turner. It's not hard to convince a kid or two to leave redneck laced Tennessee or ky and go to LA for a change in culture.
You act as if he is pulling them to Minnesota or Wyoming. It's USC.
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Sitting, drinking and gambling at Lumiere place I laugh at you. Haha you're so out of touch with reality.
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Stevorino said:
This is NOT a fire Dooley thread (I have him #1!)

This is as if you were hiring them to come to Tennessee, not how they are performing at their current job.

Take all present-day factors into consideration, including, but not limited to: Chance leaves for other school/pros, current coaching job, amount you'd have to pay, recruiting challenges, ability to attract staff, etc.

My list:

1. Dooley (44 yo)- He's done a great job in what little time he's been at UT and is doing it the right way. I think he's the kind of guy who would be happy being here for 20+ years and making a legacy.

2. Saban (60yo)- Best coach on list, IMO. I fear he'd bounce shortly after seeing how hard it is to recruit at UT.

3. Les Miles (58 yo)- Similar to Saban, great coach but fear he'd go to Michigan at next opportunity after seeing recruiting challenges firsthand.

4. Mark Richt (52 yo)- He hasn't won it all at UGA but has been solid in 10+ years and is a super nice guy. Can he put together a decade of greatness without the fertile recruiting grounds of Georgia?

5. Dan Mullen (40 yo)- Has done a good job at Miss. State - still a little unproven, IMO.

6. Kevin Sumlin (48 yo) - Up and coming coach, would be worth risk over other options below.

7. Steve Spurrier (67 yo) - Arguably 2nd best coach on this list behind Saban, but gotta figure this dude is close to retirement. I'm suprised he's still going at USCe.

8. Gary Pinkel (60 yo)- Has done a solid job at Mizzou, but the hire wouldn't excite me by any means.

9. James Franklin (40 yo)- Has definitely pumped up Vandy, but is his hotsauce needed at Tennessee? Not really. This is where I think the list starts to get depressing.

10. Gene Chizik (50 yo)- won the NC with Tubberville's talent and Cam. Since then they haven't really seemed like a great team. After a rough season this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Auburn fanbase get antsy.

11. John Smith (63 yo)- Guy is super old and really nothing special, but here's to hoping he hires a good staff.

12. Will Muschamp (41 yo) - This guy is like a clown on the sidelines and seems to be doing the least with the most in the SEC. How is Florida not a contender with all of the talent on the roster? Mind boggling. All-star coordinator, meh head coach.

13. Hugh Freeze (42 yo) - meh

14. Joker Phillips (49 yo)- hahaha

Edit - added ages
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Saban wouldn't worry about the recruiting. He knows how to get the talent. Just like bear did. Sure can tell we have a light- weight on schedule this week. Threads are all over the place.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
It's USC. Hollywood. Socal. Heisman trophy school machine. Any kid who played football on a competitive level thought it would be badass to play for USC. Has nothing to do with kiffin there or not. Pete Carroll did it before him with Patrick turner. It's not hard to convince a kid or two to leave redneck laced Tennessee or ky and go to LA for a change in culture.
You act as if he is pulling them to Minnesota or Wyoming. It's USC.
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REDNECK laced? WTH? Alvin York, maybe? YEAH, take a look at the gang activity in LA. NO THANK YOU.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
REDNECK laced? WTH? Alvin York, maybe? YEAH, take a look at the gang activity in LA. NO THANK YOU.
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Man, TN is redneck. It is what it is. The whole SE of the country is.

People are crazy if they don't think a kid may want to get out of sumner county and head to cali.

Hell, I had friends from new York into Nashville and they made me pull off off 65 and take a pic of them near the huge Nathan Bedford Forrest statue surrounded by 20 rebel flags. And on the way to knoxville today, near cookeville/crossville, there will be at least one huge rebel flag flying over the highway. If people don't think that could make one black kid or family want to get the hell out of Dodge, they really aren't thinking about it enough.
Just a topic of conversation. We all know people that are comfortable wherever, and we know people that are only comfortable in certain environments. The same goes for football players too. Some just want to get away from TN, home, and try something else. Nothing wrong with it either. I tried to leave Memphis and go to Pepperdine out of highschool. If I could've made it happen, I surely would've.
 
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