Going back to the HoF arguement from earlier, I would argue that with the evolution of the game, closers should have a place in the HoF. So I think players like Lee Smith and the Goose are more deserving than the Murph and Raines. And I'm a Braves fan that loved watching Murphy play, but I'm not sure he's HoF potential. And Pete Rose should absolutely be in the Hall. You cannot convince me Charlie Hustle ever bet against himself and threw a game. If he bet on his team, he bet on them to win. Pete's ego would never let him bet on himself to lose.