Random thoughts on Coaches !!

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volmanbill said:
You have no clue what the situation was with Hurd. Pure conjecture.

2017 recruiting is still in process as far as I can tell.

Keep hating. It fits you well.
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Not hating. The Hurd thing may or may not be true. The other two are facts. Butch blew the Oklahoma game, and 17 recruiting is pretty bad AS OF TODAY.
 
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vols 30 said:
Or how Butch decided to kick a FG instead of going for against OKLAHOMA.


Or why he played Hurd after he was concussed

Or why his 2017 recruiting is an epic letdown
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It's easy to second guess decisions after the game. If he went for it and didn't make it you would be bringing up that decision instead of kicking a FG. Some people are never happy. I'm pretty sure 2017 recruiting isn't over yet.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Is it 6? Wow, guess I'll head to the nearest bridge and jump!

You group of 15 are ridiculous.
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You're being ridiculous with your overreaction. Those 6 wins were left on the table. That's fact. I never said we should jump off a bridge, panic, fire the guy, or anything. I simply stated the facts.

Orange_Vol1321 said:
Lol just stop. The more you post the more you show your football knowledge, or lack thereof.
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LOL if you say so.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Undisciplined play falls on coaching. Sorry but that's just a fact. Butch may not have caused the fumbles but it's still his responsibility. That's why he's paid 4+ million a year.
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I would just think that once you get to this level of football its the players fault for fumbling. The coach shouldn't have to waste his practice time showing players how to protect the ball, that's instilled in youth league.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
You're being ridiculous with your overreaction. Those 6 wins were left on the table. That's fact. I never said we should jump off a bridge, panic, fire the guy, or anything. I simply stated the facts.



LOL if you say so.
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Butch isnt carrying the ball for them. They have had hours and hours of being trained how to hold the ball. Some of that is on the players, some of that is just the way you get hit making the ball come out. Blaming coaches is asinine.

Another thought on the A&M game, I think the whole team had a cloud in their head because of the quitter and not really the game in their head.

Vandy 13 was his first year with hardly no recruiting he got here so late. Cant put that on him either.

Look across the whole NCAA the last four years and look at what teams lost that shouldn't have. It happens.
 
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jps2194 said:
I'm pretty sure Butch didn't set the defense on the last play! That was Jancek.

Most of the games mentioned 2015 and before were due to a lack of depth, not coaching blunders. Did we get conservative at times, sure. But so did Fulmer and he won a natty.

The Oklahoma game came down to depth. We had zero depth and had FR playing on the d-line chasing Mayfield all over the field the whole game. Without depth, you cannot consistently keep pressure, fill your gaps, avoid mental mistakes and hustle because the team is exhausted. That is the primary reason we lost leads late in games last year.

We are experiencing a lot of the same issues this year because we are still young and have dealt with a ton of injuries this year. I will say, however, I've questioned a lot including offensive play calling and the defensive breakdowns.

USCjr I believe was a multitude of things including injuries and locker room discord. It's amazing how much better our O looks with Hurd gone. That tells a compelling story. Hoping they continue to look good against a bad defensive Mizzou team and a solid Vandy team.
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Not once during those two drives did they go after Grier. Butch is the head coach and he makes those calls. He played it way too conservative. That is on him.
 
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Volunbeers20 said:
I would just think that once you get to this level of football its the players fault for fumbling. The coach shouldn't have to waste his practice time showing players how to protect the ball, that's instilled in youth league.
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I partially agree regarding having to coach basic fundamentals at this level, but I do think part of it is just how well a coach impresses on his players what the standard and expectations are of them when they play for him. If a player doesn't respect that, I can see it affecting their concentration on the field. The rampant fumbles and penalties didn't start happening at Texas A&M. It's been a problem all year. I hate to make comparisons but you don't see Saban coached teams with these issues.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Undisciplined play falls on coaching. Sorry but that's just a fact. Butch may not have caused the fumbles but it's still his responsibility. That's why he's paid 4+ million a year.
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Come on that is completely silly. Dobbs/Kelly should excecute a basic zone read. That's on the players. At some point you can't always blame the head coach.
 
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Two picks by Josh. One a complete drop by Croom.

Fumble by Kelly in his first big game.

Zone read miscue.

Kamara getting strip from behind from a guy he didn't see trying to score.

How are those on Butch?
 
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zjcvols said:
Not once during those two drives did they go after Grier. Butch is the head coach and he makes those calls. He played it way too conservative. That is on him.
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Since when does Butch call the defensive plays - are you delusional? Do you really think we have time for Jancek to make a call, Butch to intercept, Jancek to call a different play and relay that to the team. Get real.

Furthermore, it's a toss up. Blitzing heavy leaves you vulnerable because you've taken 1 to 2 players out of coverage and that can make a tackle. If we don't get to the QB with the pressure, it's an easy toss and catch.
 
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zjcvols said:
Two picks by Josh. One a complete drop by Croom.

Fumble by Kelly in his first big game.

Zone read miscue.

Kamara getting strip from behind from a guy he didn't see trying to score.

How are those on Butch?
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Like I said before if it had only happened during the Texas A&M game I would agree. However this has been a problem all year long. After a while yes it falls on coaching.
 
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Haters gonna hate. . . I say stick with Butch Jones!!! We're gonna put a beat down on Mizzou and Vandy . . . LSU is going run all over FLA. . . Then we beat 'bama in the SEC Title game, make the playoffs and beat 'bama AGAIN in the Semifinals and beat PAC, BIG10, ACC or BIG12 champion for another National Championship!!! IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!!

Vols Jump Highest!!
 
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jps2194 said:
Since when does Butch call the defensive plays - are you delusional? Do you really think we have time for Jancek to make a call, Butch to intercept, Jancek to call a different play and relay that to the team. Get real.

Furthermore, it's a toss up. Blitzing heavy leaves you vulnerable because you've taken 1 to 2 players out of coverage and that can make a tackle. If we don't get to the QB with the pressure, it's an easy toss and catch. Please learn the game before posting silly responses. :p
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Butch is the head coach. He sets the defensive philosophy. Not too mention the three straight QB runs that didn't work when we could have run the clock out. Prevent with that much time left is dumb. It's been proven it is dumb. You wanna win, you go after the freshman QB.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
the missed tackle wouldn't of happened if we didn't get sooooooooooooo conservative on offense at the end of the game.:twocents:
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Yes, because being aggressive always guarantees that a team will make first downs and run out the clock....

If Butch had thrown it, and the passes had fallen incomplete, you would be on here claiming how dumb it was that he didn't run the football in that situation. Hindsight, arm chair QBing is always much easier than doing it in real time.
 
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iam4utaways said:
Haters gonna hate. . . I say stick with Butch Jones!!! We're gonna put a beat down on Mizzou and Vandy . . . LSU is going run all over FLA. . . Then we beat 'bama in the SEC Title game, make the playoffs and beat 'bama AGAIN in the Semifinals and beat PAC, BIG10, ACC or BIG12 champion for another National Championship!!! IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!!

Vols Jump Highest!!
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LOL I never said we shouldn't stick with Butch. I don't want him fired. However that doesn't mean we can't criticize him when warranted
 
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iam4utaways said:
Haters gonna hate. . . I say stick with Butch Jones!!! We're gonna put a beat down on Mizzou and Vandy . . . LSU is going run all over FLA. . . Then we beat 'bama in the SEC Title game, make the playoffs and beat 'bama AGAIN in the Semifinals and beat PAC, BIG10, ACC or BIG12 champion for another National Championship!!! IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!!

Vols Jump Highest!!
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I want some of your drugs.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Like I said before if it had only happened during the Texas A&M game I would agree. However this has been a problem all year long. After a while yes it falls on coaching.
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Those were fluke turnovers. The first half of the year it was a problem and has never been before under Butch. Not going to blame Butch for his guys not protecting the ball.

Actually I almost never blame turnovers on coaches.
 
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zjcvols said:
Butch is the head coach. He sets the defensive philosophy. Not too mention the three straight QB runs that didn't work when we could have run the clock out. Prevent with that much time left is dumb. It's been proven it is dumb. You wanna win, you go after the freshman QB.
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There's a difference in philosophy and play calling. Pretty sure we blitzed plenty that game. I seriously doubt Butch said to Jancek, hey, if we are up and it's 4th and long at the end of the game, don't blitz. I can't argue with running the QB 3 times, but again, that is Debord not Butch. You seem to not quite grasp who is responsible for play calls.

Do you remember the Chief. He played conservative and won a national championship. You can't just blindly say one approach is the right one. They both work. We could have blitzed and got beat too. Pinning the loss on one play is absurd. I'm over it, we beat them this year. You should let go :p
 
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