Random thoughts on Coaches !!

[volmandu]

It still makes me upset when I think about the South Carolina loss. I was mad and screaming. I wanted Butch gone. However, you look around Power 5 conferences and there aren't many coaches who haven't lost a game or two this year that they weren't supposed to (Barring Nick Satan).
Urban Meyer, Dabo Swiney, Jim Harbaugh, Chris Peterson, Jimbo Fisher .. all these elite coaches botched at least a game. The next level of coaches like Petrino, Bob Stoops, Mike Gundy and other have lost more.
Even upcoming name like Tom Herman lost two games to Navy and SMU.
Butch lost 3. Alabama loss was embarrassment but who has been able to stop them. Texas A & M loss might have been one of our best fought games this year. I only think SCjr loss was the one that we shouldnt have and Butch just had a bad bad day. Like most other coaches.
To be honest, look at some other big names like Bret Belima, Dan Mullen, Gus Malzhan, Hugh Freeze, Mark Dantonio, Charlie Strong etc. All considered 'good' to 'elite'. All struggling in some way or other.

Ya'll have a good Friday.

 

[Fijivol72]

It's a long season and poop happens. Injuries, discord, and depth can inflict pain. Unfortunately we have had all three of the above.

 

[scores4fun]

College football is crazy, especially this year! Man, I love college football and the VOLS!

 

[BigOrangeVols]

All those coaches botched "a" game, not 5 since they've been here. Get a top 10 win, then come talk to me.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

All those coaches botched "a" game, not 5 since they've been here. Get a top 10 win, then come talk to me.

I count 6...

Vandy 2013
Florida 2014
Oklahoma 2015
Florida 2015
Texas A&M 2016
South Carolina 2016

Jones has in fact left 6 wins on the table in 4 years of coaching.

 

[volfannbama]

Note to self, having a knee jerk reaction in the moment is probably okay, but defending it on the internet for weeks is probably not a good idea.

 

[Hairy Vols]

I count 6...

Vandy 2013
Florida 2014
Oklahoma 2015
Florida 2015
Texas A&M 2016
South Carolina 2016

Jones has in fact left 6 wins on the table in 4 years of coaching.

Are you aware of that state of the program come Butchs arrival. Are you aware we have only won the SEC East 4 times. Are you aware how long of a drought we had championship wise before 1998. And are you aware of our graduation rate and GPA being at all time highs, explain to me the negatives of those 6 games and I will give you way more reasons why Butch is, and has been a godsend to our program exactly when we needed it, so take your pessimistic attitude else where.

 

[volmandu]

All those coaches botched "a" game, not 5 since they've been here. Get a top 10 win, then come talk to me.

Most these coaches botch 'a' game or two every year. Thats why we only have one or two, if that too, undefeated power 5 teams every year

 

[KBVol]

Are you aware of that state of the program come Butchs arrival. Are you aware we have only won the SEC East 4 times. Are you aware how long of a drought we had championship wise before 1998. And are you aware of our graduation rate and GPA being at all time highs, explain to me the negatives of those 6 games and I will give you way more reasons why Butch is, and has been a godsend to our program exactly when we needed it, so take your pessimistic attitude else where.

Yes Hairy, we're all aware of that. Anybody paying attention is also aware that Butch left those 6 wins on the field. You're talking about two different things.

 

[Vols_14]

we really do not appreciate Jones at all. You'd think after 3 years of Dooley we might be a little more grateful of the job Butch has done. Areas of his staff need improvement, and he will improve those areas IMO. Also whether you like it or not injuries have absolutely killed our season this year especially at DT. You can't stop the run with 4 DE's, or 2 DE's and 2 3rd string DT's.

 

[volfannbama]

Yes Hairy, we're all aware of that. Anybody paying attention is also aware that Butch left those 6 wins on the field. You're talking ain't two different things.

Just curious how Butch missed a tackle on 4th and 14 in the swamp last year?

And how Butch caused any of the 7 fumbles during A and M game?

And how Butch missed tackling a Vandy QB?

 

[volfannbama]

we really do not appreciate Jones at all. You'd think after 3 years of Dooley we might be a little more grateful of the job Butch has done. Areas of his staff need improvement, and he will improve those areas IMO. Also whether you like it or not injuries have absolutely killed our season this year especially at DT. You can't stop the run with 4 DE's, or 2 DE's and 2 3rd string DT's.

I do.

 

[zjcvols]

I count 6...

Vandy 2013
Florida 2014
Oklahoma 2015
Florida 2015
Texas A&M 2016
South Carolina 2016

Jones has in fact left 6 wins on the table in 4 years of coaching.

Four. I'm not blaming him for Vandy and TAMU. Vandy was the better team and TAMU was on the players for stupid turnovers.

 

[HollowaytoSeivers]

I count 6...

Vandy 2013
Florida 2014
Oklahoma 2015
Florida 2015
Texas A&M 2016
South Carolina 2016

Jones has in fact left 6 wins on the table in 4 years of coaching.

I'll give you all but this year's A&M game. Butch didn't commit seven turnovers in that game. And I agree with the post on another thread that called that contest one of the most hard-fought games of Butch's tenure. In most situations, seven turnovers result in a blowout loss. Of course, fewer turnovers and that one might have wound up in the win column.

 

[volfannbama]

Four. I'm not blaming him for Vandy and TAMU. Vandy was the better team and TAMU was on the players for stupid turnovers.

You blame him for our defense missing a tackle on 4th and 14 at the swamp?

 

[OH-Vol]

The difference in my opinion between us and those other staffs is that we have not looked well prepared, well coached or played 60 minutes for one single game. Not one! I was probably more p*ssed off following the App St. and OU wins than the SC loss.

I have learned that Butch Jones was the guy to help dig us out of the Kiffin/Dooley hole, however not the guy to win consistently in this conference.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Comparing Butch Jones to most of those coaches listed is like comparing road kill to filet mignon.

Comparing buTch to most of those coaches isn't a fair evaluation to begin with.

None of them went to a total dumpster fire with a roster of players that most wouldn't start at Appy state.

Step 1 to becoming a really good program is recruiting and so far buTch has done pretty well on that.

Step 2 is more good recruiting to build up a 2 and 3 deep at all positions so that injuries and giving starters a breather doesn't lower the on field production much.

Step 3 is real game knowledge and experience in all your 2 and 3 deep.

We don't have solid depth at all positions yet.

We certainly don't have real game knowledge and experience in our 2 deep yet BUT many of our Sophs and Freshmen did get lots of knowledge and experience this season because of the massive amounts of injuries unfortunately but it should help us next season and beyond.

As to coaching...ALL coaching staffs make mistakes and say or do things they wish they could do over...even the great staff of nick saTan.

The Hurd/Malone recruiting class was excellent and they keep getting better every year.

The ONLY way all those true freshmen could have played SEC footVol right out of high school WAS because of good coaching.

Bad coaches never could have played as many true freshmen and done better each year like we've done consistently.

That tends to make me think we have some decent coaches. maybe not elite but at least good coaches at most positions.

THINK...When buTch was the only coach that really wanted to take on our dumpster fire our footVol team was a joke that most teams laughed at all the time.

Just a few recruiting classes later almost all the so-called experts had us as pre-season top 10 and some even said if we stayed healthy and got a little luck we might Win the SEC and get a playoff spot.

I honestly expected it to take us 6 or 7 years to be ranked that high and the national experts talking that well about us.

I'm still mad and upset about LAST season because we were so damn close but we were still very young and not experienced enough.

Needless to say I'm really NOT happy about this season so far BUT injuries hit us really HARD on both sides of the ball especially on both lines and that DOES make a big difference especially in the SEC.

No excuse for USCe and I'll never figure that out as long as I live.

Is it true that buTch and all our coaches are crap and really can't teach and coach up our players?

I don't think so...if they couldn't coach then we never could have played so well when we're still forced to play so many true freshmen kids.

I'm not happy with our last 2 seasons but I do understand why most things happened wen we lost.

We can't afford to fire buTch and this staff and even if we could I'd want to see 1 or 2 more seasons of recruiting and coaching before I decided to try to find a better coach and recruiting team and maybe go through another 10 years or longer of total hell and my beloved Vols being laughed at again.

I don't hear anyone laughing at our Vols now and I don't expect we'll be laughed at again for quite some time because even hurt and beat up tis badly, we're still a dangerous Team for most teams in the country.

As to your statement and the pic you have up my friend...That says you don't spread bull shiite but your statement says that you do because IMO what you said is total bull shiite.

VFL...GBO!!!

 

[zjcvols]

You blame him for our defense missing a tackle on 4th and 14 at the swamp?

I blame him for being way too conservative on defense

 

[Sandman 423]

You blame him for our defense missing a tackle on 4th and 14 at the swamp?

the missed tackle wouldn't of happened if we didn't get sooooooooooooo conservative on offense at the end of the game.:twocents:

 

[jps2194]

I blame him for being way too conservative on defense

I'm pretty sure Butch didn't set the defense on the last play! That was Jancek.

Most of the games mentioned 2015 and before were due to a lack of depth, not coaching blunders. Did we get conservative at times, sure. But so did Fulmer and he won a natty.

The Oklahoma game came down to depth. We had zero depth and had FR playing on the d-line chasing Mayfield all over the field the whole game. Without depth, you cannot consistently keep pressure, fill your gaps, avoid mental mistakes and hustle because the team is exhausted. That is the primary reason we lost leads late in games last year.

We are experiencing a lot of the same issues this year because we are still young and have dealt with a ton of injuries this year. I will say, however, I've questioned a lot including offensive play calling and the defensive breakdowns.

USCjr I believe was a multitude of things including injuries and locker room discord. It's amazing how much better our O looks with Hurd gone. That tells a compelling story. Hoping they continue to look good against a bad defensive Mizzou team and a solid Vandy team.

 

[ConMan]

we're fans if youre a true fan you freak out when your team loses. especially a game they should've won easily. i don't remember every suffering so many injuries on defense

 

[vols 30]

Just curious how Butch missed a tackle on 4th and 14 in the swamp last year?

And how Butch caused any of the 7 fumbles during A and M game?

And how Butch missed tackling a Vandy QB?

Or how Butch decided to kick a FG instead of going for against OKLAHOMA.


Or why he played Hurd after he was concussed

Or why his 2017 recruiting is an epic letdown

 

[volmanbill]

Or how Butch decided to kick a FG instead of going for against OKLAHOMA.


Or why he played Hurd after he was concussed

Or why his 2017 recruiting is an epic letdown

You have no clue what the situation was with Hurd. Pure conjecture.

2017 recruiting is still in process as far as I can tell.

Keep hating. It fits you well.

 

[volfannbama]

I blame him for being way too conservative on defense

Yet they were still in postition to win the game if they make that tackle, they were also in a position to win at A and M this year.

There are certainly some coaching decisions involved in some of the games originally listed, but CBJ game plan put us in a position to win most of them, if the players execute.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Are you aware of that state of the program come Butchs arrival. Are you aware we have only won the SEC East 4 times. Are you aware how long of a drought we had championship wise before 1998. And are you aware of our graduation rate and GPA being at all time highs, explain to me the negatives of those 6 games and I will give you way more reasons why Butch is, and has been a godsend to our program exactly when we needed it, so take your pessimistic attitude else where.

I never said fire the guy. I'm simply pointing out facts.

Just curious how Butch missed a tackle on 4th and 14 in the swamp last year?

And how Butch caused any of the 7 fumbles during A and M game?

And how Butch missed tackling a Vandy QB?

Those things may not have been directly Coach Jones' fault but they ARE his responsibility. When you're being paid 4+ million a year, that's just the way it is.