Ramifications of all this fallout

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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
You obviously haven't read through that thread. The majority were calling the OP an idiot.
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You obliviously have not read through this thread knucklehead. I am the OP!!!:hi: I think the majority agree with me. Keep your smart ass comments to yourself and try to bring some substantive material to this "thread" and board next time:angry:.
 
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volmaniac71 said:
You obliviously have not read through this thread knucklehead. I am the OP!!!:hi: I think the majority agree with me. Keep your smart ass comments to yourself and try to bring some substantive material to this "thread" and board next time:angry:.
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The thread about benching Bray genius. I was saying that pepole were calling the OP in that thread an idiot, not you.
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volmaniac71 said:
This is not a hit on Dooley, I will say it again. I respect him and think he is the the right guy for the job. My point was to all the folks on here that think we could have got some big name or high profile in here after Kiffin. It just was not going to happen. Some people think that if we bring in some big name or high profile guy all our problems are over. I disagree and on top of that I don't think there is a big name guy out there that would take this job.
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So you don't think Dooley has made the UT job more attractive for other coaches?
 
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Tip of the day: Their, There, They're all have different meanings. It is of utmost importance how these are used in a complete sentence.
 
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volmaniac71 said:
As I have read and witnessed over that last several days since the Florida loss, I see fans calling for CDD to be fired and for Tyler Bray to be benched, what concerns me as a lifelong Tennessee fan is that taking these type of drastic actions would set our program back even farther than it already is. How can anyone say benching Tyler Bray is going to help us win more games this year, like it or not he is our best QB right now and provides us our best chance to win. Firing Coach Dooley means scrambling to hold on you our current recruit commitments and trying to convince other uncommitted recruits that our program is in a stable place and headed in the right direction. We all know that coaching turnover (rest assuredly staff turnover as well if Dooley is fired) causes a great deal of uncertainly with current players and potential recruits in any program. How is this good for Tennessee? Yes we have had some tough seasons the last few years, but CDD was given a program that was in shambles in terms of level of talent. I don’t think anyone can argue the fact he has improved our talent dramatically which is a huge accomplishment considering our previous losing seasons. He has brought back the commitment to our traditions and has put the program ahead of any one player or coach. We have to give this man time to right the ship. I am not saying that he should be given a pass, but In terms of where we were 3-5 years ago to know, we are a better team. Realistically, I think this was a 4-5 year project. If we don’t give CDD the time needed, I fear we will continue to tread the waters of mediocrity for the foreseeable future. Now IS NOT the time to make another change after just 3 years.
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Objectivity noted and appreciated ! :good!: :yes:
 
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5012 said:
If losing all our remaining games would get rid of Dooley at year’s end I’m all for it….in fact it’s too bad there’s not a means to orchestrate this…its done all the time in business..lots of terms for it but would a waste of time and effort to relate here…
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I don't understand this, who in the hell would ever pull for their team to lose. Wanting the team to lose so they will fire the coach is crazy.
 
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5012 said:
If losing all our remaining games would get rid of Dooley at year’s end I’m all for it….in fact it’s too bad there’s not a means to orchestrate this…its done all the time in business..lots of terms for it but would a waste of time and effort to relate here…
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A bit drastic, don't you think . (?) A business willing to take a $4m loss (CDD buyout) won't be a business very long ! :no:
 
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FEARinSEC said:
Wow, if only it were that simple.

Simple minded point of view is simple minded.....
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Expecting a program with a tradition of dominance to be dominant is the mind set to have bro.

Defending mediocre play and coaching sounds like a mediocre minded point of view......those type of expectations will never make us a power house again.
 
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volmaniac71 said:
You obliviously have not read through this thread knucklehead. I am the OP!!!:hi: I think the majority agree with me. Keep your smart ass comments to yourself and try to bring some substantive material to this "thread" and board next time:angry:.
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Can't we all just get along?
 
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mcompton said:
truer words have never been spoken
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If your one metric (desired outcome) is to win as it is at Tennessee…not to be good students or citizens you do whatever is required…

IE in other walk of life include…..a company stock death spiral in business, or when an NBA team will intentionally LOSE games to get a higher lottery draft choice….

If you need further explanation ask your ‘fry guy’ or better yet supervisor….High School lets out in 30 minutes so she’ll be there soon
 
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BringItBack said:
Agreed. And to think there are some who are still griping about a loss to a good Florida team astounds me. Yeah it was tough... Im over it now. I thought preseason we would go 9-3 or 8-4... For all I know we finish the season with 1 loss. Move on Vol fans, I for 1 am excited about what the rest of this season could bring. If Dooley cant cut it.. Give him the axe... But I will support the guy till it happens. Crying and whining like a little school girl on here just makes the entire fanbase look weak. Id hate to know that all of my enjoyment and happiness in life hinged on a Volunteer win. My kids are healthy, and I have great family and friends. If im in the minority then so be it. The Vols Beating Florida would have been great for the program, but there is plenty of ball to be played... Lets see how it all plays out before some of you slice your wrists... JMO.
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:salute:
 
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volfan4evr said:
I felt all along that last week's game was a tossup. UF will always be a tough out because of all the instate talent. I didn't loose faith in the team, but I lost confidence in CDD to win a hard fought game against a top rated opponent. I'm not ready to call for CDD's job, but his seat is not getting any cooler either.
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I echo your opinion. I can't fathom how you are winning a game and watch it start to slip away..and never call a time out. The game ended with all 3 time outs..that was amazing.
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
Believe it or not teams improve over the course of seasons. Florida didn't out talent us or anything, we panicked. Our offense and defense simply broke down. If we can learn from these mistakes and start finishing games, we can still play with everyone outside bama on this schedule. Florida loss hurt, but the season is still way too young to give up...
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Personally I think Florida DID out talent us, even though they might not out-experience us. To me, that is a better sign, we played a superior team on all fronts and held up reasonably well. Yes, we lost and there is plenty of debate to go around as to why.

I still cannot see how anyone could compare the two rosters, the starting players on both sides of the ball and think that beyond a position here or there, that we had the talent advantage. Remember, UF averages top 5 recruiting classes for almost a decade. We hit a bottom about 2008 where we averaged top 25 classes, but now we are back to averaging top 13 classes. We are going in the right direction, but are still missing a senior class, we are still at a talent deficit to Bama, LSU, UF and UGA. Admittedly we are not as far off of UGA's talent as most on here want to believe.

There is a whole thread addressing this, you can go read it for yourself!

GO VOLS!
 
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Relax all, we'll be fine! Most of the preseason polls picked Tennessee to finish in the bottom 3rd of the SEC East. We still have a chance to finish 4-4 in the SEC......thats allot better than last year with only 1 SEC win against Vandy in overtime! We just have to do a better job in recruiting.....we desperately need a Good SEC Running Back. It will be hard to compete with ALA, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina, Florida without a good running game.....all the good teams know we can't run the ball and will do the same thing Florida did against us.......load the box....put heat on Bray....and.... well.... we all know what happens when the quarterback doesn't have enough time. We just can't throw in the towel....we have to keep the faith!
 
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BeecherVol said:
So you don't think Dooley has made the UT job more attractive for other coaches?
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I personally think he has. I think the biggest obstacle will be wallets and pocketbooks. UT has to be willing to pay, at this point in time I don't know if they are or even able.
 
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UTFanForLife said:
I personally think he has. I think the biggest obstacle will be wallets and pocketbooks. UT has to be willing to pay, at this point in time I don't know if they are or even able.
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I think he has too. The roster is in better shape but given some time that was gonna happen anyway once it got full again.

If the time comes you have to be serious about it. People will pay for success and success will breed more funds. Eventually people will grow wearing of pumping funds into something they see as stagnate or going in the wrong direction. Once you lose the excitement its twice as hard to regain it. Dooleys job got harder after Saturday IMO. He had a chance to seize some of that excitement and it didn't happen.
 
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5012 said:
If losing all our remaining games would get rid of Dooley at year’s end I’m all for it….in fact it’s too bad there’s not a means to orchestrate this…its done all the time in business..lots of terms for it but would a waste of time and effort to relate here…
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So hypothetically, losing the rest of the games and sending DD packing would be better for you than winning the rest.

And these are the ones that loudly preach their support for UT and the program. What a joke you continue to be.
 
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"Bench Bray" and "Fire Dooley" are extremist views. Most viewpoints are conditional. It would be smart to give Worley some field time against Akron. Giving our backup experience is more important than padding Bray's stats. You never know-- he might have to step up this season.

And firing Dooley is not necessarily a bad thing if the team tanks this season. Good recruits want to play for good coaches and winning teams. If we go near winless in the SEC, making the right change could help recruiting. When something isn't working, not making a change can be perceived as weak and static, while making a change for the positive appears strong and proactive. The buyout would be expensive short-term, but it could be a bargain longer-term. We'll just have to see how Sept-Oct play out. JMO.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im not sure I follow.

We were in a bad spot, had to settle for Dooley (which is not really a ringing endorsement for him) to take a pay raise and coach in the SEC. Why would he not take that gig? I don't blame him.

Lets not pretend he left a solid job to come here.
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Where he was 4-8 the season he left. Yeah, he really did us a favor by taking the UT job......
 
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volmaniac71 said:
This is not a hit on Dooley, I will say it again. I respect him and think he is the the right guy for the job. My point was to all the folks on here that think we could have got some big name or high profile in here after Kiffin. It just was not going to happen. Some people think that if we bring in some big name or high profile guy all our problems are over. I disagree and on top of that I don't think there is a big name guy out there that would take this job.
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You have the attitude of a KY fan.
 
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