Quote From Simms

[TNBV]

I think when evaluating our QB(s) we forget pressure. Not the pressure of the rush, but the pressure of knowing that they must be near perfect to have a shot at winning. Alabama's QB, whether about to take a big hit or not, can relax in the sense that he know that an incompletion or even an interception does not put them out of contention for the win due to the immense talent they have on both sides of the ball. Simms/Bray know that if they are near perfect, the best we can hope for against the Alabamas and the Oregons is a close victory.
Try it yourself at something you are good at. I play alot of darts When playing someone who is not hitting very well, I can hit triples all day, but against a much better thrower, knowing that I MUST hit triples, I often hit 50% less than normal. What does this mean? That I am a choker, and it may not be relevant to this talk.

 

[TNBV]

i cant stand simms, i wish he never came here

Perfect! You are right, screw that guy for coming here, working all year just so he could lead the SEC in sacks taken and hits. How dare him commit to UT! We would be much better off with a true freshmen backing another true freshmen. Let this be a notice to all of those who want to play at UT.

 

[JeepJeep]

if Peyton had truly wanted to be at UT he would have won the job

lol:

 

[Joe Vols]

I think when evaluating our QB(s) we forget pressure. Not the pressure of the rush, but the pressure of knowing that they must be near perfect to have a shot at winning. Alabama's QB, whether about to take a big hit or not, can relax in the sense that he know that an incompletion or even an interception does not put them out of contention for the win due to the immense talent they have on both sides of the ball. Simms/Bray know that if they are near perfect, the best we can hope for against the Alabamas and the Oregons is a close victory.
Try it yourself at something you are good at. I play alot of darts When playing someone who is not hitting very well, I can hit triples all day, but against a much better thrower, knowing that I MUST hit triples, I often hit 50% less than normal. What does this mean? That I am a choker, and it may not be relevant to this talk.

Ummm, it means you're probably not a professional at playing darts, but a choker is probably a little harsh. Not everyone can handle the pressure of playing in the SEC. That's more of a reason not to play him than to play him. Saying that there is less pressure on a Bama QB than on Simms at UT, I think is a stretch. One of those guys is in competition for back to back NCs and the other is in a fight to stay out of the basement of the SEC.

 

[JeepJeep]

OK so we are both very biased towards one qb. The difference is you are saying Simms played much better than Bray. I'm saying they played about equal. I think most people would agree neither one looked very good.

I will agree that they played about equal.

I also think that Bray needs more playing time to grow with the team if he is going to be our future.

By the time Simms grows with the team (if it actually ever happens), he'll be a Senior, and then we're starting all over again with another QB the next year that hasn't developed with the team.

 

[TNBV]

I meant in that game, ALA vs UT. Yes, Simms was under more pressure to perform. Having a dominant defense and 2 of the best RB in the nation will do that. All Alabama needs is a good game manager, who makes very few big mistakes. UT needs big plays and zero mistakes, period. No one in their right minds should believe that we, at this point, can line up with top ten competition and beat them by marching up and down the field.
I think some of you need to look at some film of Manning starting as a freshmen, realizing that he is a once in a lifetime QB. And for comparison to what we have now, go watch some video of Manning in his first year at Indy. Under the criteria that some of you are using, obviously Manning has no business playing in the NFL, because a good QB doesn't need blocking, catching or a running game to be successful. Right?

 

[TNBV]

I will agree that they played about equal.

I also think that Bray needs more playing time to grow with the team if he is going to be our future.

By the time Simms grows with the team (if it actually ever happens), he'll be a Senior, and then we're starting all over again with another QB the next year that hasn't developed with the team.

I am not oppossed to Bray playing more. I would argue though, that putting a freshmen in pressure positions is not always beneficial in the long run. It is individualistic. Some will learn from failure, others loose their confidence.
I would point to Crompton as an example of someone who lost his confidence (not as a freshmen). It took a while to get it back. It is false to think that a QB cannot learn a great deal by paying backup. It makes a huge difference if the QB can walk in to a game after a year of learning a system. Not saying this is the best way for all, it varies.
There is also the possiblity of injury. Bray is a beanpole, and that tackle he took on the last play had every bit the look of a season ending hit. If EB can put on 15lbs of lean muscle between his Fresh and soph year, lets hope bray can add 25lbs of moderately lean muscle.

 

[37620VOL]

Arrogant - yes.
Accurate - yes, but not for long.

Bray will win the 3 way competition and start in 2011.

 

[Joe Vols]

I meant in that game, ALA vs UT. Yes, Simms was under more pressure to perform. Having a dominant defense and 2 of the best RB in the nation will do that. All Alabama needs is a good game manager, who makes very few big mistakes. UT needs big plays and zero mistakes, period. No one in their right minds should believe that we, at this point, can line up with top ten competition and beat them by marching up and down the field.
I think some of you need to look at some film of Manning starting as a freshmen, realizing that he is a once in a lifetime QB. And for comparison to what we have now, go watch some video of Manning in his first year at Indy. Under the criteria that some of you are using, obviously Manning has no business playing in the NFL, because a good QB doesn't need blocking, catching or a running game to be successful. Right?

If he cannot handle the mental pressure of playing Bama with nothing on the line more than a rivalry, then he will never be successful with more on the line like say an SECC. Plus Simms is not a FR he is a JR. Bray on the other hand is a FR, and is a more accurate comparison of Manning as a FR.

 

[overseasorange2]

This might sound harsh, but Crompton sounded more like a leader his senior year than Simms does.

Could that be because Simms is a Junior?

 

[Joe Vols]

I meant in that game, ALA vs UT. Yes, Simms was under more pressure to perform. Having a dominant defense and 2 of the best RB in the nation will do that. All Alabama needs is a good game manager, who makes very few big mistakes. UT needs big plays and zero mistakes, period. No one in their right minds should believe that we, at this point, can line up with top ten competition and beat them by marching up and down the field.
I think some of you need to look at some film of Manning starting as a freshmen, realizing that he is a once in a lifetime QB. And for comparison to what we have now, go watch some video of Manning in his first year at Indy. Under the criteria that some of you are using, obviously Manning has no business playing in the NFL, because a good QB doesn't need blocking, catching or a running game to be successful. Right?

You will not get many people on this board to let "mental pressure" be an excuse for poor play. Physical pressure like say 7-8 sacks, now that is a different story. We gave up 2 sacks against Bama... I think. Our protection was good enough to win the game and our run blocking was good enough to win the game. Our passing and catching was not good enough to win the game.

 

[EastTN]

Same comments as last year, "Crompton sucks Crompton sucks get rid of Crompton" then he starts doing better all the sudden Crompton is the new hero. We need true Vol fans on this site not fair weather fans!! I admit Simms performance is not the best sometimes and he could do some things better but he is tough and a good leader on the field. He just needs more time to throw the ball instead of being laid out on every play. Bray will be good in time but he is no leader at this point, last week proved that.

 

[calban]

If he cannot handle the mental pressure of playing Bama with nothing on the line more than a rivalry, then he will never be successful with more on the line like say an SECC. Plus Simms is not a FR he is a JR. Bray on the other hand is a FR, and is a more accurate comparison of Manning as a FR.

Careful Joe.
I made the mistake of comparing the mindset of Bray to that of manning and clausen in their freshman years and I laid awake all night waiting for the ninja assassins to come to my house.

 

[LordVOLdemort]

Of course I would fight for my job, but I would leave it on the field. Leaders do not make excuses or put others down to bring themselves up. Leaders have confidence and humility, and I see neither in these few quotes from Simms.

+1.

I was all about Simms keeping his job, until I heard his comments. He and his brother think they deserve to be Pro QB's since their Dad is a Super Bowl winner and Hall of Famer. I hate this mentality. But you see it all through sports, just usually not so much at this level.

"My Dad did this and this, so that means I can too, without as much work and less talent."

Simms cocky demeanor is turning more into arrogance and beachy. Pardon my french. What is worse, is that he is not performing at a high level, but he's the only one who doesn't see it. The radio heads around the nation are all making fun of these comments as much or more than Dooley's.

I am working down in Columbia right now, and they are on everyday talking about how big of a joke our QB is and his comments make it worse. And then they go on to say how Kiffin turned down Newton because he didn't fit our Pro System....

I really want to beat those 'game'cock lovers on saturday.

GO VOLS!

 

[TNBV]

Joe, I know what year Simms is. Manning as a freshmen is what I would call the absolute best case scenario for a freshmen, if we started Bray. Bray is not manning, and we don't have near the supporting cast now as we did then.
I think that we can assume that our line, running game, defense and overall talent/depth would be greatly improved if we were paying for an SEC championship, so the pressure of being perfect for Simms would be different. But we aren't talking about an SEC championship, are we? Are you saying that Simms should be discarded because he, in your opinion, couldn't handle the pressure of fighting for an SEC championship? If not, then what was your point? I responded that the pressure to be perfect, a goal that our coaches and the media have pointed too as the only way we could beat Ala or Ore, was a factor beyond the physical pressure of being sacked. You stated that the Ala QB was under more pressure. I said in this game, I disagree, do to the fact that his running game and defense were superior. Once again, in comparison, it might have been said that Manning lacked the ability to handle the NFL based on his performance his first year at Indy. It could also have been said the Ryan Leaf just needed a better team around him to perform. Both assumptions would have been proven wrong, and with Simms currently, all we have is assumptions of what he could/ or couldn't do if we had any kind of team around him now.

 

[duckman398686]

simms could have easily thrown 3 interceptions against alabama compared to just the one in the redzone. not sure how that helps his case with starting.

 

[TNBV]

While I am sure running a pro set was a factor in not taking Cam Newton, there are 2 other things.
1, No one, anywhere predicted the impact he would have.
2, The off field antics of our football and basketball teams, plus the firestorm of taking Hood made the choice to not take a guy with a recent criminal history a little easier. Right or wrong.

 

[calban]

While I am sure running a pro set was a factor in not taking Cam Newton, there are 2 other things.
1, No one, anywhere predicted the impact he would have.
2, The off field antics of our football and basketball teams, plus the firestorm of taking Hood made the choice to not take a guy with a recent criminal history a little easier. Right or wrong.

I have a firestorm drill.

 

[Mayor]

I sure miss Fulmer and crompton.

 

[LordVOLdemort]

While I am sure running a pro set was a factor in not taking Cam Newton, there are 2 other things.
1, No one, anywhere predicted the impact he would have.
2, The off field antics of our football and basketball teams, plus the firestorm of taking Hood made the choice to not take a guy with a recent criminal history a little easier. Right or wrong.

Very good point. No one saw the possible Heisman trophy winner in this guy. Not even his old coach, Myer. Urbie said the other day that it is, "really hard watching this kid be sucessful, know he was on our team."

Imagine Cam instead of Brantley.... They would be #1 in the SEC E

 

[Joe Vols]

Careful Joe.
I made the mistake of comparing the mindset of Bray to that of manning and clausen in their freshman years and I laid awake all night waiting for the ninja assassins to come to my house.

HA- I can only imagine. lol I was simply replying to someone who was comparing the play of Simm's play as a first year UT QB to Peyton's FR YR. I was simply stating a fact that Simms is a JR so it woulb be more accurate to use Bray who is a FR and should be apt to make more mistakes than a JR. But your point is well taken.

 

[TNBV]

You will not get many people on this board to let "mental pressure" be an excuse for poor play. Physical pressure like say 7-8 sacks, now that is a different story. We gave up 2 sacks against Bama... I think. Our protection was good enough to win the game and our run blocking was good enough to win the game. Our passing and catching was not good enough to win the game.

My point is that Simms is in a position, due to our lack of overall talent, including his to constantly feel as if he must force something to happen. In reality, after about the end of the first quarter or half, he does. Feeling you must force a good play lowers the performance % of ALL athletes. It happens at all positions. How often do you see a QB throw is first interception of the game in the last minutes while trying to lead a last quarter comeback drive. I really don't know any other way to explain it to you, but you seem to want to believe that any extra pressure on Simms in our current situation is all due to what he is lacking. I disagree.

 

[Bluff City Vol]

no def. not but your assessment was complete BS and anyone with half a brain would acknowledge that.

First off,it was not an assesment.It was my opinion,and if it is acknowlegded as bein BS,then I guess you are one those that has the so-called half a brain.

 

[Joe Vols]

Joe, I know what year Simms is. Manning as a freshmen is what I would call the absolute best case scenario for a freshmen, if we started Bray. Bray is not manning, and we don't have near the supporting cast now as we did then.
I think that we can assume that our line, running game, defense and overall talent/depth would be greatly improved if we were paying for an SEC championship, so the pressure of being perfect for Simms would be different. But we aren't talking about an SEC championship, are we? Are you saying that Simms should be discarded because he, in your opinion, couldn't handle the pressure of fighting for an SEC championship? If not, then what was your point? I responded that the pressure to be perfect, a goal that our coaches and the media have pointed too as the only way we could beat Ala or Ore, was a factor beyond the physical pressure of being sacked. You stated that the Ala QB was under more pressure. I said in this game, I disagree, do to the fact that his running game and defense were superior. Once again, in comparison, it might have been said that Manning lacked the ability to handle the NFL based on his performance his first year at Indy. It could also have been said the Ryan Leaf just needed a better team around him to perform. Both assumptions would have been proven wrong, and with Simms currently, all we have is assumptions of what he could/ or couldn't do if we had any kind of team around him now.

I never Simms should be discarded. I said if he played better, then he wouldn't be sharing time with Bray right now. I don't think he has played well enough to nail down the starting spot. I don't blame the coaches for trying to find a spark by playing Bray more. We can only go on his performance at UT. Bray hasn't played any better either, which is why we are still going to play 2 QB's this weekend if Simms is healthy. This is a QB competition until one of them stands out as better, or the other QB proves to be a detriment to the team. Until one of the other things happens, I think that's our reality. I was simply saying if Simms can't handle the pressure at UT he won't be successful. You are the one who posted mental pressure could be a reaqson he wasn't playing well. I was simply stating for him to be successful here, he's going to have to over come mental pressure IMO. I also think McElroy is under pressure to perform. If he hadn't made some extremely accurate throws this weekend that got them out of 3rd down situations we would have stayed in this game longer, maybe won. Same could be said of LSU n the 4th down cnversion. Our QBs have just simply not made these plays this year. They are the difference between the top of the SEC and the bottom, as we are finding out. It wasn't necessarily Bama's running game that was the difference when the game was getting heated. JMO

 

[Bluff City Vol]

I never Simms should be discarded. I said if he played better, then he wouldn't be sharing time with Bray right now. I don't think he has played well enough to nail down the starting spot. I don't blame the coaches for trying to find a spark by playing Bray more. We can only go on his performance at UT. Bray hasn't played any better either, which is why we are still going to play 2 QB's this weekend if Simms is healthy. This is a QB competition until one of them stands out as better, or the other QB proves to be a detriment to the team. Until one of the other things happens, I think that's our reality. I was simply saying if Simms can't handle the pressure at UT he won't be successful. You are the one who posted mental pressure could be a reaqson he wasn't playing well. I was simply stating for him to be successful here, he's going to have to over come mental pressure IMO. I also think McElroy is under pressure to perform. If he hadn't made some extremely accurate throws this weekend that got them out of 3rd down situations we would have stayed in this game longer, maybe won. Same could be said of LSU n the 4th down cnversion. Our QBs have just simply not made these plays this year. They are the difference between the top of the SEC and the bottom, as we are finding out. It wasn't necessarily Bama's running game that was the difference when the game was getting heated. JMO

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