Quote From Saban....Makes You Sick

#51
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JohnWardForever said:
Saban was in BR getting his team ready----Plil was in NY at the espys---getting his mug on TV. Delirious even back then. That 01 team had maybe 20 NFL'ers on it.
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If memory serves we had 13 get drafted that year alone, a school record. Even Teddy Gaines got drafted! Still don't know how that happened, lol
 
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Vols378 said:
No good coach overlooks any team, much less a team in a conference championship game.

When Fulmer allowed the media to film him and his team waving those roses around, bragging about how they were Pasadena bound before they played the SEC Championship game is no one's fault but the head coach.

Can you imagine the big smile on Saban when he saw that film.... What a motivational tool ...
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I remember seeing Casey Clausen on tv after the Florida game being asked how it felt to be one win away from the NC game. He responded by saying that he guaranteed we were going to beat LSU and question to the contrary was ridiculous.

Also, the Rose Bowl called our athletic department and asked for the dimensions on our checkerboard endzones a few days BEFORE the SECCG...

The whole country was overlooking LSU, we were doomed from the start
 
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Vols378 said:
No good coach overlooks any team, much less a team in a conference championship game.

When Fulmer allowed the media to film him and his team waving those roses around, bragging about how they were Pasadena bound before they played the SEC Championship game is no one's fault but the head coach.

Can you imagine the big smile on Saban when he saw that film.... What a motivational tool ...
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It's a pretty big assumption to say that Fulmer was overlooking LSU, and another big assumption to say that is the reason UT lost. It also has nothing to do with my original post, which was in reference to all of the folks pretending that the coaches were unable to get any production from a very talented group of players.


Evol said:
I remember seeing Casey Clausen on tv after the Florida game being asked how it felt to be one win away from the NC game. He responded by saying that he guaranteed we were going to beat LSU and question to the contrary was ridiculous.

Also, the Rose Bowl called our athletic department and asked for the dimensions on our checkerboard endzones a few days BEFORE the SECCG...

The whole country was overlooking LSU, we were doomed from the start
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Funny, if Dante Stallworth or Travis Stephens hang on to the football, or if Rashad Baker catches one in his lap, those statements are prophetic examples of confidence.

The '01 team was very talented. They played their way into an opportunity for greatness. It slipped through some of our stars' fingers in the second half of the SECCG against a team we had beaten by one TD earlier in the season, so they had to settle for very, very goodness. I was extremely disappointed in the outcome of that game, but to hold that team forth as an example of coaching ineptitude is just wrong.
 
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What is really sickening is to go find an interview a few years ago when he was asked about that game. He seriously didn't think his team had much of a chance. And Saban said after Davey got hurt, they were not sure what to do, so they started running some shotgun option, and he said it worked bc "Tennessee never adjusted."

This was the beginning of the Fall of our run, and remains the most sickening loss in recent memory.
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nbakerld said:
Good coaches do that all the time. How did Bama lose to Utah?
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Utah was a very good team..undefeated and ranked #7 in the nation. Finished the season ranked #2


Here is the final AP Ranking for the 2008 season.

AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (48) 13-1 1606
2 Utah (16) 13-0 1519
3 USC (1) 12-1 1481
4 Texas 12-1 1478
5 Oklahoma 12-2 1391
 
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Vols378 said:
Very True.

The night UT beat Florida should have been the night Fulmer got fired.

He did one of the dumbest things a coach could have done. When the team arrived back in Knoxville that night, there was a press conference. Several of the players were waving roses around. They were bragging about going to the Rose Bowl to play in the NC game. Fulmer was there celebrating with them.

In my opinion, Tennesse lost to LSU that night...
Fulmer forgot that UT had to win the SECCG in order to get to the Rose Bowl. Fulmer let himself and his team overlook LSU.

That night started the downfall of Fulmer. UT started gradually going downhill from that point.

Saban is right.. the talent on that team was outstanding.
No way would LSU had won that game if Fulmer had prepared his team. IMO it was better than the 1998 team.

Saban also said and was correct... when asked about the David and Goliath thing.... He stated something like anytime you are playing in a championship game, conference or national, the other team is pretty good or they would not be there..
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If I remember correctly it wasn't a press conference rather a campus celebration at Tom Black Track, courtesy of WIVK.

My friends and I were walking around Atlanta a week later looking like ancient, drunken Greeks with orange roses in our mouths. The Tiger fans and especially the locals on Peachtree were more than willing to remind us of that after the game.
 
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Vols378 said:
Utah was a very good team..undefeated and ranked #7 in the nation. Finished the season ranked #2


Here is the final AP Ranking for the 2008 season.

AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Florida (48) 13-1 1606
2 Utah (16) 13-0 1519
3 USC (1) 12-1 1481
4 Texas 12-1 1478
5 Oklahoma 12-2 1391
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Is this real?

Everyone in the world knows that Utah was good last year, but Bama was still supposed to thump them. Bama had far superior athletes, better coaches, and they didn't have to travel across the country. Nick Saban said, "We are the only team to go 12-0 in a real conference." Bama lost because they overlooked them.
 
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cotton said:
It's a pretty big assumption to say that Fulmer was overlooking LSU, and another big assumption to say that is the reason UT lost.


I was extremely disappointed in the outcome of that game, but to hold that team forth as an example of coaching ineptitude is just wrong.
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It is not assuming anything.

I realize the coaching staff and team was ecstatic after beating Florida at the swamp.
If Fulmer was going to have a victory greeting and informal press conference after arriving home that night, that would have been fine. To celebrate their victory and dicuss the SEC Championship game the next week would have been fine.

To get off the airplane waving Roses and bragging about going to Pasadena to play for the National Championship was overlooking the SECCG. A coach allowing such an event is coaching inepitude. Saban probably played that tape everyday to his team, getting them fired up for the SECCG.

Fulmer should have been fired the next morning.
 
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Vols378 said:
Fulmer should have been fired the next morning.
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Ridiculousness. The guy wins a tremendously big road game with a team that was a double digit dog, setting his team up for a shot at a conference and national championship, and you are going to fire him because he was too happy in the press conference?
 
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nbakerld said:
Is this real?

Everyone in the world knows that Utah was good last year, but Bama was still supposed to thump them. Bama had far superior athletes, better coaches, and they didn't have to travel across the country. Nick Saban said, "We are the only team to go 12-0 in a real conference." Bama lost because they overlooked them.
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Bama went 12-0 in a real conference until they faced the Florida Gators in the SECCG and lost by a score of 31-20 in the SECCG .
They then lost the Sugar Bowl to Utah by a score of 31-17.

You cannot fairly compare the Sugar bowl to the 2001 SEC Championship.
2009 Sugar Bowl you have a 12-1 AL team vs a 12-0
Utah team
2001 SECCG you have TN at 10-1 vs a 8-3 LSU team that had lost to TN, FL and Ole Miss.
 
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That loss to LSU in the SEC Championship Game was the most obvious sign of how weak our coaching staff had become since 1998 (there were other signs, too). We should have been playing for another National Championship, but instead we flush that game down the toliet against an LSU team that had to play their back-up QB for most of the game after we knocked Rohan Davy out. AAAGGHAHH!!!! I am getting angry just thinking about it. I was a young LT at the time, serving as a Company XO at Fort Stewart, GA, and I watched the game at a sports bar with two of my sergeants from the unit. What a disappointment that was! FLASHBACK! FLASHBACK!
 
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Vols378 said:
Bama went 12-0 in a real conference until they faced the Florida Gators in the SECCG and lost by a score of 31-20 in the SECCG .
They then lost the Sugar Bowl to Utah by a score of 31-17.

You cannot fairly compare the Sugar bowl to the 2001 SEC Championship.
2009 Sugar Bowl you have a 12-1 AL team vs a 12-0
Utah team
2001 SECCG you have TN at 10-1 vs a 8-3 LSU team that had lost to TN, FL and Ole Miss.
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It's fairly common for 10-1 teams to lose to 8-3 teams. Just 2 days ago we witnessed 12-0 Texas needing an illegal replay to beat 9-3 Nebraska. It's not very common for a 12-1 BCS team to lose to any mid-major. Utah was the bigger fluke.

You don't have to write out the scores and stuff. Everyone remembers last post season.
 
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cotton said:
The Vols went 11-2, finished 4th in the country, dropped #2 Florida in Gainesville and humiliated Michigan in the bowl game.

They lost the SECCG to a team they should have beaten, thanks mainly to fumbles by two of our best players, but to say the coaches didn't know what to do with them is revisionist history.
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When you have a defensive coordinator that lets Mack Mauck run up the middle of your defense for a touchdown. Face it, we had a very out matched coaching staff in that game and it was really out shined the next year in Neyland Stadium by none other than Ron Zook. We had the tallent and NO coaching. And like Walter Cronkite said, "And that was the way it was."

Fulmer was mediocre.
 
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cotton said:
The Vols went 11-2, finished 4th in the country, dropped #2 Florida in Gainesville and humiliated Michigan in the bowl game.

They lost the SECCG to a team they should have beaten, thanks mainly to fumbles by two of our best players, but to say the coaches didn't know what to do with them is revisionist history.
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Mr. Cotton,

It is a sad fact that the Vols didn't win the SEC in '01. Stating that the Vols had a lot of talent on that team isn't revising history; it is my opinion. I am not revising anything. The Vols sent a lot of players on that tean to the NFL without any rings to show for it.

Gunner
 
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01' was painful. Just to see all that talent collected in one place and for so little of it to reach its potential was sickening. From the highlights of bashing lsu the first time and draining the swamp to the sickness of the hob nailed boot and the SECCG.

I rememeber being so mad at our coaching staff during the regular season as the team would dominate one minute and play so uninspired the next.

I sat in the vandy section that year in neutral colors. I am ashamed but I had a family member playing for the dores at the time. I hoped that ut would struggle that game so they would be more motivated in the swamp.

Sorry for the rant, SECCG wortst loss in my lifetime.:banghead2:
 
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volfromfla56 said:
Wrong wrong wrong!
That team may have been the most talented group we have EVER had at UT, save for 1998. Although they were poorly coached! We came down with a case of fumblitus against LSU!
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1998 team wasn't as talented as the 1995 team, jmo.
 
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And Saban said after Davey got hurt, they were not sure what to do, so they started running some shotgun option, and he said it worked bc "Tennessee never adjusted

As I have previously stated on this board, I lay the '01 SECCG loss squarely at the feet of John Chavis.
 
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gunner said:
Mr. Cotton,

It is a sad fact that the Vols didn't win the SEC in '01. Stating that the Vols had a lot of talent on that team isn't revising history; it is my opinion. I am not revising anything. The Vols sent a lot of players on that tean to the NFL without any rings to show for it.

Gunner
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Where did I say calling them talented was revising history? I said pretending coaches wasted that talent was. 11-2 and 4th in the country was pretty consistent with the talent level of that team, IMO, and there is little question that they overachieved at Florida and were lucky to escape against Kentucky. I still don't understand how that team is supposed to serve as an example of under-coaching.

Losses to good teams happen, particularly when you turn the ball over. If you are looking to bash Fulmer, just pick another year. That was a damned good football team that had damned good results.
 
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#74
Nice little jab thrown at Fulmer there. Should have been a warning sign to the powers that be. It's a shame we had to let the rest of the decade just about play out before something was done.
 
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