Quitting is inexcusable

#51
#51
I was actually impressed with how well we responded and the consistency until the third quarter. I think once Bray threw that second interception he got frustrated, as others have pointed out. And I thought the defense did well holding Florida when they got to the one yard line (2nd qtr?). But eventually they lost sight of the qb and FL had good runs. I think we had good drives but the incomplete plays held us back.
 
#52
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Lexvol said:
I agree. I don't think we "quit". I do think we had the wind taken out of our sails.
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big time. Sails, balloon, knockout punch, dagger, whatever. You see it every week in sports. Yesterday wasn't a last year type of quit.

Some people can't tell the difference. Figured you could.
 
#53
#53
Sure looked like Bray quit. Bad body language. He was leading when we were ahead, but quit encouraging the team when things did not go his way. I hope he can learn from this. He is not ready for the big time.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
big time. Sails, balloon, knockout punch, dagger, whatever. You see it every week in sports. Yesterday wasn't a last year type of quit.

Some people can't tell the difference. Figured you could.
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That's called quitting any way you slice it. Things didn't go our way for a bit, so they packed it in. Just face the facts, we quit, as we have always under Dooley.

I'm also fascinated by this idea that we were just tired by running routes. Was Hunter running by himself or did he have Gator DBs with him that, miraculously, do not get tired themselves?
 
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Unimane said:
That's called quitting any way you slice it. Things didn't go our way for a bit, so they packed it in. Just face the facts, we quit, as we have always under Dooley.

I'm also fascinated by this idea that we were just tired by running routes. Was Hunter running by himself or did he have Gator DBs with him that, miraculously, do not get tired themselves?
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No, when db's have help, they don't run the entire route with the wr, and they are off the ball, so they run quite a bit less, especially when Chaney and Bray lost their minds in the 3rd quarter.

It's just odd that another team can't beat us because they made more plays. There always needs to be a firing or a quitting label attached.
 
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#56
OrangeBalls said:
I didn't see a team quit. I saw a team get frustrated because they were in the game one minute and out of it within a few more
minutes due to big plays. Our O-line got whipped and Bray was hurried the 2nd half. I saw frustration not quit.
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That's when they gotta imprevise adapt and over come. I'm mean hell that's the mentality of kids today things get tough and they quit. I help out at a local high school it's an epidemic. I also agree the coaches has to will these players to keep fighting. You can pleade and beg and push them all they want if they say F it and give up the coaches can't go out there and do it for them!! I like coach Dooley I want him to succeed here.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
No, when db's have help, they don't run the entire route with the wr, and they are off the ball, so they run quite a bit less, especially when Chaney and Bray lost their minds in the 3rd quarter.

It's just odd that another team can't beat us because they made more plays. There always needs to be a firing or a quitting label attached.
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It's just odd that the one person who is afforded the responsibility for running the football program has so little control or responsibility of what happens within that program. You strain to find some ridiculous reason to pander to a sense of never blaming Dooley for anything and come up with "the WRs were tired", possibly the dumbest reason yet for misdirecting the criticism away from Dooley.

The label of "quitting" is given when it's deserved and anyone who is not blinded by an irrational love of a head coach who has never won anywhere can see it plain as day.
 
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Z06Vol said:
Is it possible that Florida was just the better team and had a lot to with Bray and the offense being ineffective in the second half?
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Very possible& probable. But not as much as the final margin would suggest. That better team was getting ran on in the 2nd quarter, & for whatever reason the coaches abandoned the run. Not as cut & dry as your post would suggest.
 
#59
#59
I've read a ton of nonsense about the loss being Dooley's fault because he "let" the team quit, so let me point out this to all you fair weather UT fans: with almost seven minutes left in the game, you sheep were heading out the stadium in droves. You quit on the team. Shame on you. And to beat the first moron to the punch who wants to point out the game was "over", Florida scored TWO touchdowns in about three minutes. Needless to say, the Vols still had a shot to win the game and if they had, you "fans" would have been listening to it on your car radios.

Face it: those kids were flat wore out in the second half, they lack the depth Florida has, and they simply got beat by a better team. Blame Dooley, the weather, the price of gas, etc. but join me in reality and grow some realistic expectations.
 
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Unimane said:
It's just odd that the one person who is afforded the responsibility for running the football program has so little control or responsibility of what happens within that program. You strain to find some ridiculous reason to pander to a sense of never blaming Dooley for anything and come up with "the WRs were tired", possibly the dumbest reason yet for misdirecting the criticism away from Dooley.

The label of "quitting" is given when it's deserved and anyone who is not blinded by an irrational love of a head coach who has never won anywhere can see it plain as day.
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Good gracious, here's another one. I didn't even come up with the wr's are tired deal. Somebody said they weren't gassed and all you have to do is look at JH to tell. Drama queens are getting old. Bring accuracy, or stfu.
Hard to imagine I love a head coach so much that I say if he needs to go at the end of this year, he needs to go. Makes a lot of sense.
We'll add you to the lost composure, so result to bs category.
If you want to be a quitter, that's fine. You have plenty of company. Some can handle the situation. Others can't. That's the way it is. Can you figure out which category you are?
 
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albedo33 said:
As a Vol fan since the 1950s, I've seen teams in orange that didn't have the talent, speed, or experience of the opponent. We all know that this happens. You can't win 'em all.

But what I will never accept is a team in orange that quits playing. And this is the most disturbing trend in the Dooley tenure at UT. We saw it against Oregon. We saw it last year against Arkansas and Kentucky (although the Vols technically didn't quit during the KY game - they never wanted to play in the first place).

And last night, before 100K home fans; before a national TV audience; in the most important game in recent years at Tennessee, we saw the Vols quit again. Bray the QB quit playing; so did many others. Players don't quit playing their best because they lack talent; nor do they quit because of inexperience.

They quit because the HC and his staff lets them quit. Quitting is in the mentality of the team and its coaches. Napoleon once said to the effect, "I don't need to know the general opposing me in battle. When I see his army, then I know the general."

So when we see a Vol team that quits in the second half or when the game turns against them, then we know the coach. The sunshine-pumpers have a list of excuses for Dooley's failures as long as my arm: the boys are inexperienced; we lack talent at position X. But what excuse can one make for a coach whose team quits on him time and again?

Florida isn't the last good team UT will face this season, or even the best. No one knows what will be the score when UT plays UGA, Bama, USC, MSU, or Mizzou. But based on recent history, if UT falls behind in any of those games in the 2nd half, the Vols will almost certainly give up. They will quit playing for Derek Dooley.

The team is, in essence, delivering the most damning indictment of all against its coaches and especially Derek Dooley. We fans always whine and complain. But when the players themselves quit playing; when they give up before the game is over, then everyone (including AD Dave Hart), knows all they need to know about the leadership of Derek Dooley.
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Ditto- I could not agree more, this is what I wanted to say. THanks
 
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With Tyler Bray and Dooley as your leaders- does quitting and showing a lack of maturity seem all that surprising? I think both of their track records speak for themselves. We deserve better than this after 3 years. They could at least play hard for 4 quarters . I heard the spin dr ( doodoo) today on Tv talking about they will rotate the defensive line more next time ( they were just tired) This must be a totally new concept to the Dooman. He had never considered this before . WTF?
 
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When the qb stands with his hands on his hips after a play, he is frustrated and needs to be taken out of the game. When thst same qb on the next possrssion throws a perfect strike to the coach on the sidelines for the same reason, he needs to be taken out...l don' know what the problem is other than lack of leadership from the top on down...If Bray'attitude doesn't improve, he doesn't need to be playing until it gets adjusted...period!
 
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albedo33 said:
As a Vol fan since the 1950s, I've seen teams in orange that didn't have the talent, speed, or experience of the opponent. We all know that this happens. You can't win 'em all.

But what I will never accept is a team in orange that quits playing. And this is the most disturbing trend in the Dooley tenure at UT. We saw it against Oregon. We saw it last year against Arkansas and Kentucky (although the Vols technically didn't quit during the KY game - they never wanted to play in the first place).

And last night, before 100K home fans; before a national TV audience; in the most important game in recent years at Tennessee, we saw the Vols quit again. Bray the QB quit playing; so did many others. Players don't quit playing their best because they lack talent; nor do they quit because of inexperience.

They quit because the HC and his staff lets them quit. Quitting is in the mentality of the team and its coaches. Napoleon once said to the effect, "I don't need to know the general opposing me in battle. When I see his army, then I know the general."

So when we see a Vol team that quits in the second half or when the game turns against them, then we know the coach. The sunshine-pumpers have a list of excuses for Dooley's failures as long as my arm: the boys are inexperienced; we lack talent at position X. But what excuse can one make for a coach whose team quits on him time and again?

Florida isn't the last good team UT will face this season, or even the best. No one knows what will be the score when UT plays UGA, Bama, USC, MSU, or Mizzou. But based on recent history, if UT falls behind in any of those games in the 2nd half, the Vols will almost certainly give up. They will quit playing for Derek Dooley.

The team is, in essence, delivering the most damning indictment of all against its coaches and especially Derek Dooley. We fans always whine and complain. But when the players themselves quit playing; when they give up before the game is over, then everyone (including AD Dave Hart), knows all they need to know about the leadership of Derek Dooley.
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Completely correct and accurate observation and assessment. It starts at the top.
 
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5012 said:
Good post...most critical element is that Dooley is not a leader...something I've said from the very beginninng
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Fair enough, Dooley isn't the best leader! My question who should be HC? I don't see a lot of coaches lining up to take over!
 
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tvolsfan said:
The team most definitely quit last night. Bray quit. The offense quit. The defense quit.
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People are going to say-foolishly, I might add-that UT did not quit. Those people still have their head in the sand, but that's okay.

UT quit the other night. They faced a little adversity,and they gave up.
 
#70
#70
Dooley did not look like he had quit on the sidelines of the game to me, he was upset, screaming and very much showing a lot of fight just like all the other coaches I watched. I did not see any players quit as well, I did see players lose focus and become frustrated.

Bray is a timing QB and once frustration set in he was not able to regain composure. If Bray is to have a future at the next level he will need to learn how to remain calm and go out adapt and execute the plays. That is the one tangible that the great QB's all seem to have.
 
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GmanTN said:
Dooley did not look like he had quit on the sidelines of the game to me, he was upset, screaming and very much showing a lot of fight just like all the other coaches I watched. I did not see any players quit as well, I did see players lose focus and become frustrated.

Bray is a timing QB and once frustration set in he was not able to regain composure. If Bray is to have a future at the next level he will need to learn how to remain calm and go out adapt and execute the plays. That is the one tangible that the great QB's all seem to have.
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hamilton made a hurried decision. it is what it is. we suspected, bu hoped that dools would turn out different.

there is a lot of football to play. as chris treece stated first game of the season, "ive allowed kiffin and fulmer situations rob me of my last five years of tn football enjoyment".

poetic huh?

perhaps the most telling thing about dooley is the attrition of asst coaches. people on vasf think hes pretty stuck up his own rear. BUT, if he wins who cares?

dools has yet to win a game he wasnt supposed too. his recruiting is slightly above average.

tennessee better no get embarrassed this yea or he may not make the whole season.

but im gonna let dave hart marinate on that. right now all i care about is whipping the dog snot out of the akron zips.

go vols.
 
#72
#72
GmanTN said:
Dooley did not look like he had quit on the sidelines of the game to me, he was upset, screaming and very much showing a lot of fight just like all the other coaches I watched. I did not see any players quit as well, I did see players lose focus and become frustrated.

Bray is a timing QB and once frustration set in he was not able to regain composure. If Bray is to have a future at the next level he will need to learn how to remain calm and go out adapt and execute the plays. That is the one tangible that the great QB's all seem to have.
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wheres the short to intermediate passing game? seriously? its like chaney has a game controller in his hands, trying for kill shot.

some defenses match our speed. if we stick to I form and dump passes off. it works.

as evidence mizz vs georgia. georia dink and dunks. sooner or later they sneak a TE out for a long gain. thats how team impose their will iMO
 
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