Question for those voting for Hillary Clinton

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This x1,000,000!

I voted for him 4 years ago based on what he put out there. Austin Petersen absolutely exposed him as an absolute fraudulent Libertarian - and candidate - just prior to the Libertarian nominations and made sure I wouldn't make the mistake two elections in a row.

Petersen should have gotten the nom this year, but look out for him in 2020, he *should* be the Libertarian candidate. If Trump wins and the GOP ends up fractured and split, I wouldn't mind seeing a Rand Paul / Austin Petersen ticket from either the Libertarian Party, or the non-establishment side of whatever the GOP breaks into.

The non-establishment side of the GOP will be Trump's own new party, if that happens.

I'd be all for a new Trump party, the old GOP and Democrats, a risen Libertarian party, and hell- maybe a strong outside Liberal party led by someone like Bernie. If we force more coalition governments, we might end up with more across the board cooperation and MEANINGFUL political competition.
 
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most libs that support hillary are Godless, don't believe in morality or truths.

Profound ignorance like this is why rational people don't take you seriously.

Like Trump, you'd be better off keeping your mouth closed and just continue to let people think you're a complete imbecile.

Stop proving them right.
 
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Jill Stein is a better 3rd party option, she's bat **** crazy but actually believes in what she's saying. And that's who I cast my ballot for.

Johnson is a fraud.

In my opinion Lenin and Stalin were both bat**** crazy along with Saddam Hussein. Would you havd voted for them?

Stein's Green Party (environmental) is a very poor cover for socialism.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/08/23/gree-a23.html?view=article_mobile

It was the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics (USSR), who through the ingrained ineptitude of socialist run national agricultural programs perpetrated (apart from the Japanese irradiation of the Pacific ocean) the worlds largest, most toxic, and most serious environmental catastrophe in the destruction and toxification of the Aral Sea and it's watershed.
 
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In my opinion Lenin and Stalin were both bat**** crazy along with Saddam Hussein. Would you havd voted for them?

Stein's Green Party (environmental) is a very poor cover for socialism.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/08/23/gree-a23.html?view=article_mobile

It was the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics (USSR), who through the ingrained ineptitude of socialist run national agricultural programs perpetrated (apart from the Japanese irradiation of the Pacific ocean) the worlds largest, most toxic, and most serious environmental catastrophe in the destruction and toxification of the Aral Sea and it's watershed.

She has zero chance to win and no ****ing way was I going to throw a vote to Hillary, Trump or Johnson. My way of protesting 3 of the worst nominees of all time.

And to answer your question I just might have if they were running against these three POS.
 
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Its more or less voting against someone.

I doubt that either one of them winning is going to make much of a difference in my day to day life. I don't think either will radically change any government program that affects me, and even changes at the Supreme Court are so incremental and slow that its not like one day I will wake up under either presidency to any significant change.

The one respect in which that might not be true is foreign policy and war. I have a very serious concern that Trump is so impulsive, so volatile, so arrogant in his decisiveness (often despite the facts), and so impetuous that he is capable of making some really horrible decisions, with significant consequences for daily life.

I mean, the odds that he causes a nuclear war are not huge. But they are a lot higher than if HRC is president. The odds that he causes some flare up in the ME with a rash decision, I do think are reasonably high over the course of four years. High enough that he cannot be allowed to be president.

jmo
 
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I was onboard with Johnson for a while, until he showed what a Johnson he truly is. Dude is seriously a dill weed that doesn't know enough to be president. And he's not a libertarian.

If the Libertarian party wants to make headway, they need to promote qualified candidates that are actually libertarians. I truly believe that if they did this, they would take the political stage with a vengeance.
I don't understand this response. Voters suddenly have this critical eye when it comes to Johnson. And yet, are going to pull the lever for either Hillary or Trump. That's absurd.

The criticism of Johnson have been way overblown.
 
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She has zero chance to win and no ****ing way was I going to throw a vote to Hillary, Trump or Johnson. My way of protesting 3 of the worst nominees of all time.

And to answer your question I just might have if they were running against these three POS.

I'd write in Mickey Mouse before I'd throw a vote for socialism.
 
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This x1,000,000!

I voted for him 4 years ago based on what he put out there. Austin Petersen absolutely exposed him as an absolute fraudulent Libertarian - and candidate - just prior to the Libertarian nominations and made sure I wouldn't make the mistake two elections in a row.

Petersen should have gotten the nom this year, but look out for him in 2020, he *should* be the Libertarian candidate. If Trump wins and the GOP ends up fractured and split, I wouldn't mind seeing a Rand Paul / Austin Petersen ticket from either the Libertarian Party, or the non-establishment side of whatever the GOP breaks into.
I will agree, Rand Paul is the best, but I don't see him being libertarian with the abortion issue.
 
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Its more or less voting against someone.

I doubt that either one of them winning is going to make much of a difference in my day to day life. I don't think either will radically change any government program that affects me, and even changes at the Supreme Court are so incremental and slow that its not like one day I will wake up under either presidency to any significant change.

The one respect in which that might not be true is foreign policy and war. I have a very serious concern that Trump is so impulsive, so volatile, so arrogant in his decisiveness (often despite the facts), and so impetuous that he is capable of making some really horrible decisions, with significant consequences for daily life.

I mean, the odds that he causes a nuclear war are not huge. But they are a lot higher than if HRC is president. The odds that he causes some flare up in the ME with a rash decision, I do think are reasonably high over the course of four years. High enough that he cannot be allowed to be president.

jmo
Damn, I wish I had seen this post before I voted early.
 
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Its more or less voting against someone.

I doubt that either one of them winning is going to make much of a difference in my day to day life. I don't think either will radically change any government program that affects me, and even changes at the Supreme Court are so incremental and slow that its not like one day I will wake up under either presidency to any significant change.

The one respect in which that might not be true is foreign policy and war. I have a very serious concern that Trump is so impulsive, so volatile, so arrogant in his decisiveness (often despite the facts), and so impetuous that he is capable of making some really horrible decisions, with significant consequences for daily life.

I mean, the odds that he causes a nuclear war are not huge. But they are a lot higher than if HRC is president. The odds that he causes some flare up in the ME with a rash decision, I do think are reasonably high over the course of four years. High enough that he cannot be allowed to be president.

jmo

So you are comfortable with Hillary starting wars and making foreign policy decisions based on personal profitability.
 
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Its more or less voting against someone.

I doubt that either one of them winning is going to make much of a difference in my day to day life. I don't think either will radically change any government program that affects me, and even changes at the Supreme Court are so incremental and slow that its not like one day I will wake up under either presidency to any significant change.

The one respect in which that might not be true is foreign policy and war. I have a very serious concern that Trump is so impulsive, so volatile, so arrogant in his decisiveness (often despite the facts), and so impetuous that he is capable of making some really horrible decisions, with significant consequences for daily life.

I mean, the odds that he causes a nuclear war are not huge. But they are a lot higher than if HRC is president. The odds that he causes some flare up in the ME with a rash decision, I do think are reasonably high over the course of four years. High enough that he cannot be allowed to be president.

jmo

So you're OK with the Hildabeast's "arming to the teeth" of Saudi Arabia? The jet fighters and tools of war, the 11 million Clinton Fund 'gifts' as a result and now Saudi use of at least part of these to make war in Yemen on the Houtha. This when we know Saudi backs ISIS. You're good with Clinton helping weaponize that "flareup"?
 
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It's hilarious to see people attack me for being logical. I am not going to vote for a third party candidate, lol.

If anyone thinks that a rape case in federal court is minimal or trying to demean it by using a comparison to emails is rediculous. Both the emails and rape cases are criminal offenses if true and right now there is not one person in Volnation that truly knows if either is true or false.

I will say it again, look at all the facts and stay away from any major political TV shows. You can always go through FOIA and request official transcripts. Those are the facts with no spin. You can also read the official statements by some of the sexual assault accusers and then look at Mr Trump's argument against them or lack thereof. You can also look at Clinton's wikileaks emails and look at her lack of responding to them.

I challenge you to educate yourself intead of listening to the party surrogates spin their side on television. You may find out that your candidate is BSing you. Then, you can go through what they actually stand for and what matters to you, your family, and your community. Then you make a decision.

For me, I have been a Republican but I have moral character issues with my parties candidate. I have not always voted on party lines because there are issues going on with my party. I will vote but making that choice is very difficult, I will continue to educate myself, pray, then I will vote.
 
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It's hilarious to see people attack me for being logical. I am not going to vote for a third party candidate, lol.

If anyone thinks that a rape case in federal court is minimal or trying to demean it by using a comparison to emails is rediculous. Both the emails and rape cases are criminal offenses if true and right now there is not one person in Volnation that truly knows if either is true or false.

I will say it again, look at all the facts and stay away from any major political TV shows. You can always go through FOIA and request official transcripts. Those are the facts with no spin. You can also read the official statements by some of the sexual assault accusers and then look at Mr Trump's argument against them or lack thereof. You can also look at Clinton's wikileaks emails and look at her lack of responding to them.

I challenge you to educate yourself intead of listening to the party surrogates spin their side on television. You may find out that your candidate is BSing you. Then, you can go through what they actually stand for and what matters to you, your family, and your community. Then you make a decision.

For me, I have been a Republican but I have moral character issues with my parties candidate. I have not always voted on party lines because there are issues going on with my party. I will vote but making that choice is very difficult, I will continue to educate myself, pray, then I will vote.

You probably should look at the consequences to the U.S., and decide if Hillary or Trump would be better for the future of country, not your personal opinions about whether or not they are as pure as yourself. Forget the 3rd party crap. They will not go anywhere. Trump or Hillary? Which is better for the future of the country?

Take the Supreme Court into account, also. If you like the Ginsbergs, Sotomayors, Kagans, etc. vote for Hillary, Johnson, or Stein. If you don't, vote for Trump. Pretty simple, really. There's you some logic.
 
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I am voting FOR Donald Trump because I believe he has some very good policies for the United States that are sorely needed.

I do not agree with Trump on all of his policies. Just like I would not agree with all of the policies of George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, or Thomas Jefferson.

With the election of Donald Trump, the elites of Washington D.C., academia, and the corrupt democrat party will be shaken to their very cores.

A Trump presidency will be the biggest fist in the face of the elites since the election of Andrew Jackson to the presidency in 1828.
 
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I am voting FOR Donald Trump because I believe he has some very good policies for the United States that are sorely needed.

I do not agree with Trump on all of his policies. Just like I would not agree with all of the policies of George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, or Thomas Jefferson.

With the election of Donald Trump, the elites of Washington D.C., academia, and the corrupt democrat party will be shaken to their very cores.

A Trump presidency will be the biggest fist in the face of the elites since the election of Andrew Jackson to the presidency in 1828.


Electing a corrupt "billionaire" is a fist in the face of the elites?

That is some real genius thinking. :crazy::thud:
 
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I don't understand this response. Voters suddenly have this critical eye when it comes to Johnson. And yet, are going to pull the lever for either Hillary or Trump. That's absurd.

The criticism of Johnson have been way overblown.

I agree. If he were capital L libertarian and way off on the deep end that some L's go I wouldn't vote for him.

I believe he has a reasoned and practical view on governing and on the role of government.

I like that he's not a strict and extreme ideologue of any stripe.

I'm enthusiastically voting for him.
 
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In light of all that has transpired and continues to, how can you logically say that she is a oerson you would want in the White House? The criminal acts this woman has committed and not been punished for is becoming historic.

You can hate Trump for a multitude of reasons and thats fine. But can you give any credible evidence that points to him doing anything remotely close to what Hillary has done? How can someone vote for a woman who has blantantly broken federal law? I am geniuely curious.

If I thought Donald Trump, whose charity is a proven slush fund and has been suspended by New York state, who can't even be bothered to release a single tax form, whose university is a complete scam that preys upon poor people, who is set to be in a pedophilia trial in December, who came back from the Soviet Union in 1987 a anti-Reaganite and an anti-NATO campaigner, who has hardly donated a single dollar to charity in decades although he claims tens of millions, who has scammed numerous contractors, who has most likely deleted court-ordered documents and/or emails since 1973 pertaining to various scandals of his, if I thought that this Donald Trump would act in a position of office any differently than Hillary Clinton, I would be voting for him.

See, Hillary is held by some of you to an impossible standard, while Donald is a barefoot boy in the grass, from your construct.

The false argument essentially goes like this:

Because Hillary has served in public office, therefore Trump will not be corrupt in public office.

That's essentially the argument that is made, and it makes no sense. Of course he hasn't done all the things she's done, because he hasn't had the opportunity yet. Anyone who thinks he'll behave any differently is either a fool or a stooge.

So, all things being equal, I'll take the tax payer, the more professional one, the more composed one, and the sane one, which is Hillary Clinton.

And I'll take her a thousand times over Gropey Don and not even think twice about it.
 
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It's hilarious to see people attack me for being logical. I am not going to vote for a third party candidate, lol.

If anyone thinks that a rape case in federal court is minimal or trying to demean it by using a comparison to emails is rediculous. Both the emails and rape cases are criminal offenses if true and right now there is not one person in Volnation that truly knows if either is true or false.

I don't want Trump to be POTUS but this "Federal Court" stuff is misleading. This is a civil case that was thrown out in California. The only source of information on the case is the accuser.

Also, the "trial" that supposedly starts in December does not start in December. There is a pre-trial conference in December. It is not established that there will be an actual trial and/or when such a trial will take place.

You want to discuss facts well these are important facts. Yes rape is serious business and adding underage to it makes it more serious. But at this point there is nothing here.

That is not the case with the email/server situation and the CF investigation underway.
 
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If I thought Donald Trump, whose charity is a proven slush fund and has been suspended by New York state, who can't even be bothered to release a single tax form, whose university is a complete scam that preys upon poor people, who is set to be in a pedophilia trial in December, who came back from the Soviet Union in 1987 a anti-Reaganite and an anti-NATO campaigner, who has hardly donated a single dollar to charity in decades although he claims tens of millions, who has scammed numerous contractors, who has most likely deleted court-ordered documents and/or emails since 1973 pertaining to various scandals of his, if I thought that this Donald Trump would act in a position of office any differently than Hillary Clinton, I would be voting for him.

See, Hillary is held by some of you to an impossible standard, while Donald is a barefoot boy in the grass, from your construct.

The false argument essentially goes like this:

Because Hillary has served in public office, therefore Trump will not be corrupt in public office.

That's essentially the argument that is made, and it makes no sense. Of course he hasn't done all the things she's done, because he hasn't had the opportunity yet. Anyone who thinks he'll behave any differently is either a fool or a stooge.

So, all things being equal, I'll take the tax payer, the more professional one, the more composed one, and the sane one, which is Hillary Clinton.

And I'll take her a thousand times over Gropey Don and not even think twice about it.

I agree 100%, it's not even a difficult choice when you compare the two. I could pile-on with more of Trump's transgressions, nonsensical policies, and racist/sexist rants but there simply isn't enough time in the day.
 
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I don't understand this response. Voters suddenly have this critical eye when it comes to Johnson. And yet, are going to pull the lever for either Hillary or Trump. That's absurd.

The criticism of Johnson have been way overblown.

I never said I'm voting for Hillary or Trump. To be plain... I'm not voting for them either.
 

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