Question about taking 36

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utshawn said:
If 5 is the limit instead of 10, then you are correct. 30 would be the max. I swear I read 10 in the rulebook but maybe it was a forum post :) I am certainly not going to go re-read the recruiting section of NCAA rulebook, that was painful. I still have a headache.
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This article (How can UGA sign 30-35 recruits under the SEC’s new over-signing rules? | AJC College Sports Recruiting) illustrates how backcounting as many as 10 early enrollees could be a legitimate possibility, based on recent recruiting practices at Georgia. However, we signed a slightly larger class last year than Georgia did in the year specified, so it would still require some creative math, in the form of gray-shirting and/or blue-shirting, to push our total number of signees as high as 34 or 35.
 
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utshawn said:
I did not see an actual answer so I am going to try and answer the OP question.

1. We can technically sign up to 35 without over signing, grey shirting, or anything like that.
2. We will likely only have roster spots for 32 because of the 85 player scholarship limit

So how you say...
1. We had 20 in the 2013 class and 5 of those were EEs. EEs are allowed to count towards the previous years class. This means 2013 we had 15 official players sign. This left 10 scholarships that could be used for the next years EEs. BTW, 10 is the max you can do this for. Fast forward to this year. If we have 10 EEs, they would all be counted towards the 2013 signings. This would leave 25 scholarships for 2014. That would be 35.

2. If you look at the current 2013 roster, we have up to 30 seniors that will be gone and 2 underclassmen (Tiny and AJ) that may go pro. This would be 32 spots before the limit is reached. This number could grow if players transfer (Peterman) or leave for what ever reason.

Hypothetically, say we are able to sign 35 for the 2014 class. Where would that leave us for 2015? Well, the good news would be that we loaded up on talent in 2014. The bad news is that if there is no other attrition except the graduating class, we would only have like 15 spots on the 85 man roster and there would be no EE spots for the previous year because we signed a full class. This would mean we only would have 15 scholarships to offer in 2015.

Keep in mind, the above is using the unlikely assumption that there would be no other natural attrition which we know will happen.

I hope this helps. I spent hours figuring this out and while I may not be 100%, I am about 99% correct IMHO :salute:
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No. Very wrong. Not even close to 99%. Please disregard.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
This article (How can UGA sign 30-35 recruits under the SEC’s new over-signing rules? | AJC College Sports Recruiting) illustrates how backcounting as many as 10 early enrollees could be a legitimate possibility, based on recent recruiting practices at Georgia. However, we signed a slightly larger class last year than Georgia did in the year specified, so it would still require some creative math, in the form of gray-shirting and/or blue-shirting, to push our total number of signees as high as 34 or 35.
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I thought so.

We only signed 20 in last years class and 5 were EEs that counted towards 2012. Unless there is something I am not seeing, that would give us the ability to sign 35 if we wanted to.
 
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utshawn said:
Instead of making useless statements, I challenge you to please share how this is wrong then genius.
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It has been covered ad nauseam in other threads. Sorry if it came across negatively. I just want to very adamantly share how wrong your statements were. I don't want to spread misinformation.
 
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HuntsVol_AL said:
It has been covered ad nauseam in other threads. Sorry if it came across negatively. I just want to very adamantly share how wrong your statements were. I don't want to spread misinformation.
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And all those were opinion based, not anyone that knew the facts anymore than I do. My post states what I believe to be correct in my opinion based on my research that extends beyond this forum. Heck, the article that was posted a few posts ago confirms how I interpreted it. I am not saying we would sign 35, I am saying that if we wanted to we could without greyshirting or blueshirting, etc.
 
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utshawn said:
Heck, the article that was posted a few posts ago confirms how I interpreted it. I am not saying we would sign 35, I am saying that if we wanted to we could without greyshirting or blueshirting, etc.
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The problem is that we're not in the same position Georgia was last year, and not all EEs can be back counted year in and year out. In our case we can only back count 5 this time, not 10, so it is impossible for us to sign 35.
 
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kamoshika said:
The problem is that we're not in the same position Georgia was last year, and not all EEs can be back counted year in and year out. In our case we can only back count 5 this time, not 10, so it is impossible for us to sign 35.
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I'm confused , if we only signed 20, and 5 were back counted , that's 15 signees in the 2013 class. So we have 10 spots left in the 2013 class that we can back count to right?10 from last year and 25 for 2014 is 35.
 
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kevino said:
I'm confused , if we only signed 20, and 5 were back counted , that's 15 signees in the 2013 class. So we have 10 spots left in the 2013 class that we can back count to right?10 from last year and 25 for 2014 is 35.
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First of all, we "signed" more than 20 last year.
 
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kevino said:
I'm confused , if we only signed 20, and 5 were back counted , that's 15 signees in the 2013 class. So we have 10 spots left in the 2013 class that we can back count to right?10 from last year and 25 for 2014 is 35.
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We signed 23, not 20. We were at 20 after the back counts to 2012, which means 5 is all we can back count this time.
 
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utshawn said:
And all those were opinion based, not anyone that knew the facts anymore than I do. My post states what I believe to be correct in my opinion based on my research that extends beyond this forum. Heck, the article that was posted a few posts ago confirms how I interpreted it. I am not saying we would sign 35, I am saying that if we wanted to we could without greyshirting or blueshirting, etc.
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Your info is correct. They question is how many did we sign and back count. I know 22 and 23 have been mentioned, but then we signed a couple late, like Johnson and Vickers. Also what happens to Jabo Lees spot? Does that still count against us? I also can't remember who was an EE last year.
As far as what your saying its true.

One more thing... Does your class have to be full to back count? If not then yea, if we signed 20 and back counted 5 then we can EE 10.
 
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kamoshika said:
We signed 23, not 20. We were at 20 after the back counts to 2012, which means 5 is all we can back count this time.
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Thank you for the explanation. It's amazing how helpful it is when someone actually explains where the post was not correct instead saying to disregard the entire post just because without giving a reason.
 
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CWGvol said:
Your info is correct. They question is how many did we sign and back count. I know 22 and 23 have been mentioned, but then we signed a couple late, like Johnson and Vickers. Also what happens to Jabo Lees spot? Does that still count against us? I also can't remember who was an EE last year.
As far as what your saying its true.

One more thing... Does your class have to be full to back count? If not then yea, if we signed 20 and back counted 5 then we can EE 10.
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I believe that you can EE the whole class, but that doesn't mean that they all backcount.

And yes Jabo counts for last year. "Initial Counter."

We didn't backcount 5 last year. I believe it was only 3.
 
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