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#202
BeardedVol said:
His 60% completion percentage has been a hallmark of his play for most of his career at UT, but it still didn't change the fact that coming into the season he had the worst accuracy of all FBS QBs since 2018, in throws farther than 10 yards.

He didn't play "poorly" Saturday, but trying to champion 60% accuracy at the same time as you are watching him consistently missing wide-open down field throws and the offence is going 1/11 on third down conversions, is a bit a disingenuous.
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I'm not championing anything. There was obviously a problem on 3rd down last week. Just saying that blowing 6 throws out of 30 doesn't look like a full-blown case of the yips.
 
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#203
GAVol said:
I'm not championing anything. There was obviously a problem on 3rd down last week. Just saying that blowing 6 throws out of 30 doesn't look like a full-blown case of the yips.
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The 1st pass slant.... was behind and low...... because it was caught so you think it's a good pass???
 
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GAVol said:
I'm not championing anything. There was obviously a problem on 3rd down last week. Just saying that blowing 6 throws out of 30 doesn't look like a full-blown case of the yips.
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Well, you (and others) seem to bring up his 60% accuracy as if it is some sort of shield for his other deficiencies as a QB.

The reality, is that it isn't that impressive when you start to get down to the details of his passes. It's why the PFF article about him being last in accuracy on passes > 10 yards was not a surprise to the rest of us who haven't been staring at his 60% completion rate as if it was the only determining factor in whether or not he is an SEC-level QB.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Hmm, that doesn't look like coach speak to me.

Coach speak is, "we are just focusing on one game at a time, and that's the game this Saturday," or "we only control what we control," or "it doesn't matter whether you get knocked down, it only matters whether you get back up," and so on. That's what coach speak looks like.

This looks like some pretty detailed analysis of a player's performance by a guy who knows the game far better than you and me.

Now, you could question whether it's a complete appraisal. You could question whether it is a fully objective appraisal. But there's no doubt this goes well beyond just being coach speak. :)
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It’s coach speak because he’s trying not to tear down his damaged goods qb in hopes that he doesn’t go backwards in any shape form or fashion because he’s already a liability
 
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BruinVol said:
good grief smdh

Coach speak isn’t specific to the point of saying a player got 74/76 plays correct. Good grief
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Again his throws are charted and 1/7 on 3rd down getting it right by calling the right play or attempting to find the right target but not hitting it does not lead to wins.
 

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BigOrangeTrain said:
If thats truly the case then Pruitt isnt the right guy for the job.[/QUO

We can agree to disagree because you can’t beat a dead horse. At some point you hv to try and encourage the kid because you can’t afford him to hv any set backs at all. The throw have been charted. He missed on 6 out of 7 3rd down throws and several others too.
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de1conley said:
Again his throws are charted and 1/7 on 3rd down getting it right by calling the right play or attempting to find the right target but not hitting it does not lead to wins.
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You do realize Pruitt has already commented on JG making some poor throws on 3rd down?

Were those criticisms coach speak?


and you do understand the difference between making a decision in a football game (which Pruitt praised JG for making 74 of 76 correct) and a poor physical execution of that decision don’t you?

I thought maybe you did but maybe you don’t
 
#212
#212
Spin this one because if you're going to kill him about 3rd down you need to credit him on what he did on 1st and 2nd downs, best in the league Sat.

 
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JG was best in the league, or UT, including that drive after halftime where seemingly EVERY 1st down carry got another 1st down, as well as all the 100 plus yards we ran for after halftime just by the RBs, the TEAM was best in the league as a whole? I cant tell from that chart...it says pass 48. Something...which is the 2nd or 3rd lowest...does it say JG was the best on 1st and 2nd down? Because we had a 600 yard passer....and the gators had what 560 yards total offense and 4 or 5 passing TDs??? I can think of at least 2 QBs that passed for more yards and TDs in the 1st half than JG will likely do in any entire game this season....

So JG was better on 1st and 2nd down than Trask and MSU QB was? Not sure about that...I watched both of those games and each QB did more in the 1st half than I have ever seen JG do in an entire game....
 
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sjt18 said:
Honestly, if a guy is pushing the envelope enough there will be some turnovers. I could live with JG's "stat line" a lot better if he'd thrown 4 TD's and an INT.... than being 0-2 in the RZ and 1-7 on third down.

I know it is a different O and am not surprised that LSU appears to have dropped off significantly... but if I were an MSU fan I'd be just fine with Costello's two picks with 5 TD's. Contrary to conventional wisdom... turnovers did not cost them the game but the chances they took in the passing game did win it for them.
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Imo you win the post of the day award. Spot on!
 
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#216
Damn, they have a rando stat for everything. I'm curious on what percentage of offensive plays JG's shoes were tied and what the success rate was on downs where his shoes weren't tied compared to downs where they were.. This info would no doubt be important to one side of the argument........

or the other.

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sjt18 said:
Honestly, if a guy is pushing the envelope enough there will be some turnovers. I could live with JG's "stat line" a lot better if he'd thrown 4 TD's and an INT.... than being 0-2 in the RZ and 1-7 on third down.

I know it is a different O and am not surprised that LSU appears to have dropped off significantly... but if I were an MSU fan I'd be just fine with Costello's two picks with 5 TD's. Contrary to conventional wisdom... turnovers did not cost them the game but the chances they took in the passing game did win it for them.
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this is a reasonably take for sure. It’s one of the reasons JGs INT totals over his career are so low.

I think the throw down the sideline that was overthrown to 80 fits the “fear of the safety pic over the top” angle you are discussing here. Obviously he was more open than normal but I’m sure the QBs are taught to throw that ball where only the WR or sideline can catch it. I think the fear of the pick caused that wild throw
 
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m1al said:
Damn, they have a rando stat for everything. I'm curious on what percentage of offensive plays JG's shoes were tied and what the success rate was on downs where his shoes weren't tied compared to downs where they were.. This info would no doubt be important to one side of the argument........

or the other.

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I have ways had an issue with that site.....they literally said that JG was 4-5 in thr 1st quarter for 80% comp% but accuracy was the same....when everyone saw the 1st pass alone was not accurate.......they only count incompletions as off target...
They have his overall accuracy at 58 which mean they say 1 competition wasnt an accurate throw...
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I have ways had an issue with that site.....they literally said that JG was 4-5 in thr 1st quarter for 80% comp% but accuracy was the same....when everyone saw the 1st pass alone was not accurate.......they only count incompletions as off target...
They have his overall accuracy at 58 which mean they say 1 competition wasnt an accurate throw...
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Here's another one you can try to disclaim. You spinners are having trouble spinning these.
 
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#220
whodeycin85 said:
I have ways had an issue with that site.....they literally said that JG was 4-5 in thr 1st quarter for 80% comp% but accuracy was the same....when everyone saw the 1st pass alone was not accurate.......they only count incompletions as off target...
They have his overall accuracy at 58 which mean they say 1 competition wasnt an accurate throw...
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That is not how the measure it. The measure ifit was accurate regardless of a catch. His completions were on the money. JG threw some nice passes on Sat.
 
#221
#221
BruinVol said:
this is a reasonably take for sure. It’s one of the reasons JGs INT totals over his career are so low.

I think the throw down the sideline that was overthrown to 80 fits the “fear of the safety pic over the top” angle you are discussing here. Obviously he was more open than normal but I’m sure the QBs are taught to throw that ball where only the WR or sideline can catch it. I think the fear of the pick caused that wild throw
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Maybe. I think he was late with his read and rushed the throw. Wasn't 80 more or less stopped when he jumped for the ball? That throw needs to be made about the time the receiver clears underneath coverage.
 
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m1al said:
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You don't like stats I take it. When one side throws out comment after comment based off woulda, shoulda, coulda arguments on JG there is almost always the stats to prove that he's not nearly as bad as the neverJGers claim. They would say he's not as good as the JG apologist make him out to be but I don't see ANYONE claiming JG as elite, most simply argue he's not the dog you and others claim him to be.
 
#225
#225
PulaskiVolFan said:
Here's another one you can try to disclaim. You spinners are having trouble spinning these.
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LOL... others are "spinning" but you pluck one stat out of context and post it.

What was his success rate on 3rd down? What was his success rate in the RZ? That's an interesting Tweet considering his data is available on line for free. According to his site give below... JG was 6th in "success rate". He was 14th in Accuracy. He was 8th in "air yards". He was the 13th least pressured passer. He was 6th in both YPA and YPC. JG recorded zero throw aways. He was 5/5 in passes completed behind the LOS and 2/5 in passes more than 20 yards.... 8th in the SEC.

So any way you "spin" it... if you look at ALL of the stats you see a mediocre performance against what is likely one of the worst secondaries UT will face this year.

Secstatcat
 
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