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[BigBadVol]

I don’t think you understand the meaning of irony. I clicked on the thread because I was interested. You clicked and posted to moan about the existence of the thread itself.

And then you clicked on my post to moan. The irony.

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

Stats or no stats, JG isn't the answer. He can't even hit a wide open TE on a little 3 yard out on 3rd down. Wide open and threw it behind him. We were 1-11 on 3rd down and only one pass was even remotely close to being able to be caught, Keyton actually dropped that one but who can blame him for being surprised it was on target instead of high or behind.

At this point, we will not beat Ga, Bama or Fl with JG at QB. I've seen the arguments that we don't know what Shrout or HB could do and they are nervous about that. Well, We KNOW absolutely what JG can and can't do and that DOESN'T MAKE YOU NERVOUS? I say give Shrout the chance to start against Mizzou. JG doesn't deserve the start, he has proven he can't change. Same mistakes 3 years in.

 

[BruinVol]

Stats or no stats, JG isn't the answer. He can't even hit a wide open TE on a little 3 yard out on 3rd down. Wide open and threw it behind him. We were 1-11 on 3rd down and only one pass was even remotely close to being able to be caught, Keyton actually dropped that one but who can blame him for being surprised it was on target instead of high or behind.

At this point, we will not beat Ga, Bama or Fl with JG at QB. I've seen the arguments that we don't know what Shrout or HB could do and they are nervous about that. Well, We KNOW absolutely what JG can and can't do and that DOESN'T MAKE YOU NERVOUS? I say give Shrout the chance to start against Mizzou. JG doesn't deserve the start, he has proven he can't change. Same mistakes 3 years in.

and there is another example of a poster saying our coaches are incompetent for playing JG

 

[Jackcrevol]

JG is not an SEC caliber QB. It’s not a knock against him as a person. I’m not one either. But if he hasn’t figured it by now, he isn’t going to. Nearly everything he completes downfield of any significance is either a jump ball or the result of freak catch. It is simply his ceiling.

he could be, he has all the talent in the world.

but, what makes an SEC qb is when you're in that huddle being about to see things, anticipate, and to make it happen. Got to be consistent.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Stats or no stats, JG isn't the answer. He can't even hit a wide open TE on a little 3 yard out on 3rd down. Wide open and threw it behind him. We were 1-11 on 3rd down and only one pass was even remotely close to being able to be caught, Keyton actually dropped that one but who can blame him for being surprised it was on target instead of high or behind.

At this point, we will not beat Ga, Bama or Fl with JG at QB. I've seen the arguments that we don't know what Shrout or HB could do and they are nervous about that. Well, We KNOW absolutely what JG can and can't do and that DOESN'T MAKE YOU NERVOUS? I say give Shrout the chance to start against Mizzou. JG doesn't deserve the start, he has proven he can't change. Same mistakes 3 years in.

I wonder if his teammates feel the same? We sure are doing pretty good if they all think the same as you do. Wonder how the locker room and fanbase would react should we start a backup and lose next weekend?

 

[CA_Vol]

Just how nearly are you talking, you made a pretty stupid comment, I've come to expect it from you.

Maybe learn how to punctuate before lobbing accusations of stupidity around.

 

[whodeycin85]

and there is another example of a poster saying our coaches are incompetent for playing JG

I don't think CJP is incompetent.....JG is the safe play....like laying up on a par 5 in a tourney....you may have the club in your bag to hit the green but you lay up...and that works till you lose the tournament...

I also think the CJC is not making the final call either....

Either way it'll work till it doesn't...all we can do is wait and see

 

[sjt18]

Wtf are you talking about? I clearly have said JG makes poor throws and clearly expect that to continue. All
QBs make poor throws and only the elite ones have a short list of them. JG nor Hill are elite ones that’s for sure

You say that in the abstract then go nuts when someone points out concrete examples... accusing them of bias and trying to box them in with faux "logic"?

Hill played well considering the talent around him. JG's weaknesses are well beyond just making bad throws.

 

[sjt18]

He made game changing poor throws by even your admission.

so let’s make this simple.
which QB you want

1) qb that makes 2 back to back game go ahead great Throws in the 4th qt



Or

2) the Qb that throws a pick 6 that cost his team the game


it ain’t a hard choice my man

I'll take the one who in spite of having a much less talented team around him produced more more yardage and points... the one who made 3rd down throws to sustain drives.

And for you to harp on that INT is pretty ridiculous. That throw was BETTER than several thrown by JG that were caught. It went through the receivers hands. Feel welcome to go back and watch it. The highlights are available on youtube.

 

[BruinVol]

You say that in the abstract then go nuts when someone points out concrete examples... accusing them of bias and trying to box them in with faux "logic"?

Hill played well considering the talent around him. JG's weaknesses are well beyond just making bad throws.

I agree Hill played fine just not better than JG. He made a few game changing losing plays while JG didn’t.


As far as JG having more weaknesses than just bad throws I completely agree
When looking at his past. However Saturday for at least one game those issues weren’t there and that’s why I am excited about how he might play going forward.


I’ll ask you to comment on this statement.

I think any solid QB that isn’t elite is going to have 4-6 bad throws a game if they attempt 20 or more passes. IF those 4-6 bad passes aren’t all on 3rd down like Saturday was for JG do you agree that he still can lead this team to 6-8 wins???

imo the law of averages will equal out and the poor throws, that happen to almost every QB, will even out across the downs as the season goes on.

 

[BruinVol]

That throw was BETTER than several thrown by JG that were caught. It went through the receivers hands. Feel welcome to go back and watch it. The highlights are available on youtube.

Yea I have watched it plenty and I also understand the concept of throwing away from coverage. When you Throw the ball to the back hip like hill
Did on the pick 6 you are inviting that trailing defender to come into play on a deflection.
Sorry you don’t want to acknowledge that throw was bad and toward coverage which is a very big no no for QBs

misses need to be away from coverage and JG did that while Hill didn’t and that was ballgame.

 

[MWAVolfan]

I agree Hill played fine just not better than JG. He made a few game changing losing plays while JG didn’t.


As far as JG having more weaknesses than just bad throws I completely agree
When looking at his past. However Saturday for at least one game those issues weren’t there and that’s why I am excited about how he might play going forward.


I’ll ask you to comment on this statement.

I think any solid QB that isn’t elite is going to have 4-6 bad throws a game if they attempt 20 or more passes. IF those 4-6 bad passes aren’t all on 3rd down like Saturday was for JG do you agree that he still can lead this team to 6-8 wins???

imo the law of averages will equal out and the poor throws, that happen to almost every QB, will even out across the downs as the season goes on.

JG has a really excellent chance to have a big game against a putrid Missouri team at home in front of tens of fans. Getting freaked out over being on the big stage as he supposedly is shouldn't be an issue anymore, this is basically like a practice squad game.

We are basically chaining the baby bear to a tree for him to shoot. Lets see if he can hit it.

 

[BruinVol]

JG has a really excellent chance to have a big game against a putrid Missouri team at home in front of tens of fans. Getting freaked out over being on the big stage as he supposedly is shouldn't be an issue anymore, this is basically like a practice squad game.

We are basically chaining the baby bear to a tree for him to shoot. Lets see if he can hit it.

I agree he really needs a big game. If he plays worse than he did at Usce that is a bad sign

 

[DiderotsGhost]

Personally, I think JG is a middle of the road SEC QB.

But it's so annoying watching people pull stats out of their a#$ to try to defend their position that he's either "THE WORST QB OF ALL-TIME!" or "A TOP SEC QB!"

He's average. Frustratingly average. He shows glimpses that he can be better, but he then always follows it up at some point with plays that make you want to bang your head against the wall. I've thought for so long that we'd see more of the good and less of the bad, but the ratio just always seems to stay the same.

The "I'D TAKE ANY QB OVER JG" crowd is wrong. There's a reason he's stayed the starter. He's just good enough to beat out a bunch of underclassmen. But not much more than that. If it weren't for the screwed up Covid offseason, I think there'd be a good chance that Bailey, Shrout, or Maurer would pass him on the depth chart, but Covid has really set back everyone's development, giving JG an edge as the most experienced QB.

It is what it is. I hope JG proves everyone wrong this season, but I suspect we'll see moments of genius, followed by moments that frustrate all of us.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Personally, I think JG is a middle of the road SEC QB.

But it's so annoying watching people pull stats out of their a#$ to try to defend their position that he's either "THE WORST QB OF ALL-TIME!" or "A TOP SEC QB!"

He's average. Frustratingly average. He shows glimpses that he can be better, but he then always follows it up at some point with plays that make you want to bang your head against the wall. I've thought for so long that we'd see more of the good and less of the bad, but the ratio just always seems to stay the same.

The "I'D TAKE ANY QB OVER JG" crowd is wrong. There's a reason he's stayed the starter. He's just good enough to beat out a bunch of underclassmen. But not much more than that. If it weren't for the screwed up Covid offseason, I think there'd be a good chance that Bailey, Shrout, or Maurer would pass him on the depth chart, but Covid has really set back everyone's development, giving JG an edge as the most experienced QB.

It is what it is. I hope JG proves everyone wrong this season, but I suspect we'll see moments of genius, followed by moments that frustrate all of us.

Well said.

 

[BruinVol]

Personally, I think JG is a middle of the road SEC QB.

But it's so annoying watching people pull stats out of their a#$ to try to defend their position that he's either "THE WORST QB OF ALL-TIME!" or "A TOP SEC QB!"

He's average. Frustratingly average. He shows glimpses that he can be better, but he then always follows it up at some point with plays that make you want to bang your head against the wall. I've thought for so long that we'd see more of the good and less of the bad, but the ratio just always seems to stay the same.

The "I'D TAKE ANY QB OVER JG" crowd is wrong. There's a reason he's stayed the starter. He's just good enough to beat out a bunch of underclassmen. But not much more than that. If it weren't for the screwed up Covid offseason, I think there'd be a good chance that Bailey, Shrout, or Maurer would pass him on the depth chart, but Covid has really set back everyone's development, giving JG an edge as the most experienced QB.

It is what it is. I hope JG proves everyone wrong this season, but I suspect we'll see moments of genius, followed by moments that frustrate all of us.

solid post

for the record I think

1) he’s a middle of the road SEC QB

2) the best QB on our roster in 2020

 

[sjt18]

I agree Hill played fine just not better than JG. He made a few game changing losing plays while JG didn’t.

Name them. EVERY 3rd down miss by JG had the potential to either break the game open or lose it vs a better opponent. This does NOT look like a good USCe team. They didn't cover UT's WR's all night.

Hill threw one INT that literally went through the hands of the receiver. It was slightly behind him but he got both hands on the ball without breaking stride. Name the plays where he simply overthrew wide open guys.

As far as JG having more weaknesses than just bad throws I completely agree
When looking at his past. However Saturday for at least one game those issues weren’t there and that’s why I am excited about how he might play going forward.

Don't see it... and this is FAR from the best D UT will face.

I’ll ask you to comment on this statement.

I think any solid QB that isn’t elite is going to have 4-6 bad throws a game if they attempt 20 or more passes. IF those 4-6 bad passes aren’t all on 3rd down like Saturday was for JG do you agree that he still can lead this team to 6-8 wins???

No. I am not sure how good Mizzou is and especially their secondary. But UT's WR's will not run free and open vs UGA or even UK like they did vs USCe. MORE of the throws he actually hit will be contested. You simply cannot have a QB that misses that many wide open throws. You need a QB who is more on target with those tightly covered throws than JG was on Saturday. The throws he made behind receivers on outs and crossing routes will be defended by good secondaries.

imo the law of averages will equal out and the poor throws, that happen to almost very QB, will even out across the downs as the season goes on.

QB's don't have the same number of poor throws. Your "law of averages" say that S Smith will catch the ball far more times than not. If that catch had been made, the game changes completely.

I do not know for sure just how good or bad USCe is... but they were not expected to be a good team due to a lack of talent, experience, and offensive playmakers.

 

[sjt18]

Yea I have watched it plenty and I also understand the concept of throwing away from coverage. When you Throw the ball to the back hip like hill
Did on the pick 6 you are inviting that trailing defender to come into play on a deflection.

That's true. But you are trying to say that the guy who did it less but got burned threw the ball worse than a guy that did it more and got away with it.

Sorry you don’t want to acknowledge that throw was bad and toward coverage which is a very big no no for QBs

Watch the video. It was behind the WR but not so much that he broke stride or was unable to get a hand on both sides of the ball.

misses need to be away from coverage and JG did that while Hill didn’t and that was ballgame.

Just watch the first series. JG got away with throws BEHIND receivers on outs and crossing patterns. He did more of that than Hill did. He just didn't get hurt by it.

 

[BruinVol]

Name the plays where he simply overthrew wide open guys.


.

I’ve already named 3 game changing plays Hill made poor throws on

1) pick 6

2) missed awful throw on the right sideline that would have been a huge gain in the 4th quarter

3) the poor throw to the TE that led to the FG instead of the game tying TD


but I guess you won’t admit those were bad throws or game changing plays

 

[VolArmy74]

and there is another example of a poster saying our coaches are incompetent for playing JG

If the staff is incompetent in any way in this situation it's that we are in year 3 and still apparently only have one very flawed quarterback on the roster that is worth playing and that the others are so flawed they are even worse than him.

 

[HarderKnox59]

Another inept JG thread oh boy. Most people see him for what he is. Some members will click the like button on anything positive posted about him like some junior high kid on their favorite sports star.

To me he is very frustrating to watch and he makes games a lot closer on the score than it should be. But until the coaches make the change it is what it is and Vol fans will have to live with it.

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

"...But, if I ever see that thread a'walking down the street I'll just stand back
And try to move away slowly
Oh, yeah... "

 

[BruinVol]

If the staff is incompetent in any way in this situation it's that we are in year 3 and still apparently only have one very flawed quarterback on the roster that is worth playing and that the others are so flawed they are even worse than him.

Agreed

 

[sjt18]

I’ve already named 3 game changing plays Hill made poor throws on

1) pick 6

Yeah. You keep throwing this one out there... have you gone back and looked at the video yet? It wasn't a horrible throw. JG got away with significantly worse throws. I often quibble with the idea that a WR should catch any ball he can put a hand on... but that was a very catchable ball.

2) missed awful throw on the right sideline that would have been a huge gain in the 4th quarter

3) the poor throw to the TE that led to the FG instead of the game tying TD


but I guess you won’t admit those were bad throws or game changing plays

Except I haven't said he didn't make any bad throws. I have said he was more accurate than JG and made fewer bad throws in spite of having significantly less talent around him. And... he led his weaker team to more points and yardage than JG. He was effective on 3rd down. He completed a higher % against what should be a better D. He also made more "good" throws... and several skinny posts and slants that JG has never shown the ability to throw well.

 

[TennVols12]

JG is not an SEC caliber QB. It’s not a knock against him as a person. I’m not one either. But if he hasn’t figured it by now, he isn’t going to. Nearly everything he completes downfield of any significance is either a jump ball or the result of freak catch. It is simply his ceiling.

The simple fact that JG is a SEC quarterback completely voids your post and actually just makes you ignorant.