Quarterback battles that could swing the 2017 CFB season

[dduncan4163]

http://247sports.com/Article/College-footballs-10-most-important-battles-of-the-2017-season-53458480


Tennessee: Quinten Dormady vs. Jarrett Guarantano
The race to replace to Joshua Dobbs, who carried much of the Vols’ offensive burden the last two seasons, will come down to experience versus offensive fit. Dormady, a junior, is by far the more experienced of the pair. He served as Dobbs’ backup last season, and he would be a steady presence for Tennessee under first-year offensive coordinator Larry Scott. Guarantano, on the other hand, is more in the Dobbs mold. The No. 1 ranked dual-threat signal caller in the 2016 class, Guarantano is the most mobile of the two competitors. Dormady looked to have a lead in the race exiting spring ball, but this competition won’t be decided until well into preseason camp.


So who do you guys have winning the QB race? I expect Dormady to start against GT but won't be shocked if Guarantano is leading the team by season's end.

 

[UT Hill Man]

Please dear Lord, just let the best man win in a clear fashion, without any controversy.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Should be fun to watch this play out.

My personal hope is that Dormady runs away with the job, has a Mitch Trubisky type season, and jumps pro leaving Guarantano to smoothly slide into the job for the next two seasons or so.

 

[marvin616]

Dormady all the the way. He has 3 years in this system, my understanding is that QD's dad was his HS coach and changed the offensive system his senior year to get him a head start on running the style of offense.

From the spring game he seems to have a good understanding of the offense and has timing with the WRs. He has 2 years of eligibility left, which leaves JG with another 2 years after QD is gone.

If both QBs work out it will begin another decade of dominance IMO.

 

[marvin616]

Should be fun to watch this play out.

My personal hope is that Dormady runs away with the job, has a Mitch Trubisky type season, and jumps pro leaving Guarantano to smoothly slide into the job for the next two seasons or so.

 

[felloffthetrain]

Why not utilize both in certain scenarios and mix it up to throw off defenses in close games. QD in running schemes or formations favorable to running schemes and JG in passing schemes and/or when he could use his legs to bust a defense? We can't hang everything on the possibility of injury.

 

[cgbtn]

Dormady all the the way. He has 3 years in this system, my understanding is that QD's dad was his HS coach and changed the offensive system his senior year to get him a head start on running the style of offense.

From the spring game he seems to have a good understanding of the offense and has timing with the WRs. He has 2 years of eligibility left, which leaves JG with another 2 years after QD is gone.

If both QBs work out it will begin another decade of dominance IMO.

I went to Texas to watch one of his games. The offense did not have him run often, but when he did run, he was very effective. He had a nice TD run wide around the end. Perhaps he was made mode effective the fact that the defense did not expect the run to be his first option.

 

[KBVol]

http://247sports.com/Article/College-footballs-10-most-important-battles-of-the-2017-season-53458480


Tennessee: Quinten Dormady vs. Jarrett Guarantano
The race to replace to Joshua Dobbs, who carried much of the Vols’ offensive burden the last two seasons, will come down to experience versus offensive fit. Dormady, a junior, is by far the more experienced of the pair. He served as Dobbs’ backup last season, and he would be a steady presence for Tennessee under first-year offensive coordinator Larry Scott. Guarantano, on the other hand, is more in the Dobbs mold. The No. 1 ranked dual-threat signal caller in the 2016 class, Guarantano is the most mobile of the two competitors. Dormady looked to have a lead in the race exiting spring ball, but this competition won’t be decided until well into preseason camp.


So who do you guys have winning the QB race? I expect Dormady to start against GT but won't be shocked if Guarantano is leading the team by season's end.

All these assumptions about JG. How do we know he's "more in the Dobbs mode"? Josh Dobbs was beyond special as a running collegiate qb.....should we expect that? It'd be foolish to do so imo. Is it becsuse of JG's skin color? His Highschool running stats don't show that we should assume he's a great runner. He appears to be immensely talented mainly due to his reported arm strength if you listen to people who've seen him up close.

I believe this is QD's job to lose at this point, although I think JG has great potential. Some think we'll see a good bit of both QBs early on and I'm certainly good with that, as long as it's right for the team. I definitely wanna see both play as a fan. In the end, I want the better qb to win the job outright and help lead the team to wins, no matter who it is.....but I think (I'm obviously just guessing) it's actually gonna be QD.

 

[sechamp2012]

I went to Texas to watch one of his games. The offense did not have him run often, but when he did run, he was very effective. He had a nice TD run wide around the end. Perhaps he was made mode effective the fact that the defense did not expect the run to be his first option.

I keep hearing how great a runner JG is but his YPC his Sr. year HS was just 2.7 average per. He either made some long runs and got sacked a lot to bring his numbers down or he is what his number say a fast straight on runner who doesn't have the intangible instincts like Dobbs. We shall see it will be interesting whoever give to best chance for W's.

 

[RollerVol]

QD will probably start, but, we're in a good position with two quality QB's...it's all good...wouldn't doubt both getting some looks throughout season depending on situation...keeping teams guessing and on their heels is a good thing, but whatever happens Butch and staff will make it work...:twocents:

GO VOLS!

 

[volfannbama]

QD should win it pretty easily, based on experience. Both seem to be capable, but i think replacing Dobbs is going to be more difficult than most think and will come with alot of growing pains.

 

[Sackett]

I think, like most, Dormady has the edge and will start game 1. I think both will play in game 1 and barring injuries I think both will play at least some in almost every game.
As focused on success as this coaching staff and team seem to be, I think who plays and how much they play will be based on individual skill set vs who we are playing.
Plus teams having to prepare for two diff QB's will be an advantage for us.

 

[#1ManningFan]

IMO I think QD wins the job. And will keep the job all season. At this juncture in both QD and JG collegiate career QD has the better mental make-up. Both I think are SEC caliber QB's, so regardless we have a good problem on our hands.

 

[TucsonVol]

Tennessee: Quinten Dormady vs. Jarrett Guarantano

Sadly, Guarantano gets the job because Jones does not know how to change the offense to support Dormady. Jones is a weak coach and will continue to go with the failed offensive scheme and system he has always used. Jones has no idea how to do anything different and is scared to change.

 

[marvin616]

I went to Texas to watch one of his games. The offense did not have him run often, but when he did run, he was very effective. He had a nice TD run wide around the end. Perhaps he was made mode effective the fact that the defense did not expect the run to be his first option.

Keeping the opposing defense honest with the QBs arm as opposed to the QBs legs will be the test for the offense next season.

With QDs accuracy and proven talent of WRs Jennings and Byrd and potential of guys like George and Callaway, I have confidence they will keep the ball moving. Add in a healthy Kelly all season and they will be hard to stop by anyone.

Improved defensive play, which is something I'm also confident in but is the subject of another thread, will lead to a satisfying season for us IMO.

 

[butchna]

Dormady because Butch and Larry Scott will adjust the offense to fit his strengths. As Bajakian and DeBord did for Dobbs under Butch's purview. Butch has worked masterfully with different style quarterbacks in his system and only a less talented Worley didn't flourish. We're in great hands for the future!

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Tennessee: Quinten Dormady vs. Jarrett Guarantano

Sadly, Guarantano gets the job because Jones does not know how to change the offense to support Dormady. Jones is a weak coach and will continue to go with the failed offensive scheme and system he has always used. Jones has no idea how to do anything different and is scared to change.

The offense doesnt need to change to support QD. Most of JD's scrambles weren't designed plays, just his first instinct. We get a QB whose 1st instinct is to find an open WR, things could look a lot different.

 

[Grand Vol]

Dormady because Butch and Larry Scott will adjust the offense to fit his strengths. As Bajakian and DeBord did for Dobbs under Butch's purview. Butch has worked masterfully with different style quarterbacks in his system and only a less talented Worley didn't flourish. We're in great hands for the future!

I have mixed emotions about Worley. I think he (could have been) SEC "serviceable", but the lack of a full time QB coach didn't help.

And the O Line after 2013 certainly didn't help either. Nor did his standing there like a statue (coaching issue).

But I will say he's probably one of the toughest QBs I've seen in a long time.

 

[butchna]

I have mixed emotions about Worley. I think he (could have been) SEC "serviceable", but the lack of a full time QB coach didn't help.

And the O Line after 2013 certainly didn't help either. Nor did his standing there like a statue (coaching issue).

But I will say he's probably one of the toughest QBs I've seen in a long time.

Bajakian was the QB coach...apparently pro level. Lot of teams have their OCs pull that double duty...Herman for tOSU very notably and Kiffin for Bama. DeBord was a OL/TE coach trying to fill that role as an OC...with Sheridan as a sounding board. Dobbs didn't benefit from that but most likely did from his two years with Coach Jake. Worley was an average talent who got four years of tutelage from respected minds between Chaney (I know I know, but he has skins on that QB wall) and Bajakian. That OL protection was a horror his second season under Butch but even when he had a well blocked down, his decision making and accuracy were a crap-shoot. He simply wasn't a good QB. Dobbs was.

 

[Grand Vol]

Bajakian was the QB coach...apparently pro level. Lot of teams have their OCs pull that double duty...Herman for tOSU very notably and Kiffin for Bama. DeBord was a OL/TE coach trying to fill that role as an OC...with Sheridan as a sounding board. Dobbs didn't benefit from that but most likely did from his two years with Coach Jake. Worley was an average talent who got four years of tutelage from respected minds between Chaney (I know I know, but he has skins on that QB wall) and Bajakian. That OL protection was a horror his second season under Butch but even when he had a well blocked down, his decision making and accuracy were a crap-shoot.

I don't disagree with anything you've posted here, but I do have to wonder how much Cheney/Bajakian worked with him versus Bray/Dobbs. Bray was a natural gunslinger where Worley never seemed to adapt to the college speed. Could have been because the coaches knew he never would adapt and didn't spend as much time as others. Could have been they focused more on the present in Bray (Cheney) or the future (Dobbs). Not sure.

He simply wasn't a good QB. Dobbs was.

Again, no argument. Worley was in a tough spot. He didn't have the physical skills to take off running like Dobbs, didn't have the receivers his first starting year and really didn't have that natural arm like a lot of QBs have. But, again, he was tough as nails and played his heart out for the Vols. I cut him a lot of slack since those years weren't exactly pleasant to remember.

 

[butchna]

I don't disagree with anything you've posted here, but I do have to wonder how much Cheney/Bajakian worked with him versus Bray/Dobbs. Bray was a natural gunslinger where Worley never seemed to adapt to the college speed. Could have been because the coaches knew he never would adapt and didn't spend as much time as others. Could have been they focused more on the present in Bray (Cheney) or the future (Dobbs). Not sure.



Again, no argument. Worley was in a tough spot. He didn't have the physical skills to take off running like Dobbs, didn't have the receivers his first starting year and really didn't have that natural arm like a lot of QBs have. But, again, he was tough as nails and played his heart out for the Vols. I cut him a lot of slack since those years weren't exactly pleasant to remember.

Bray and Dobbs didn't overlap...Worley did. Two different QB coaches had access to him and we got what we got. Chaney coached ALL the QBs on the roster and of course gave the starter the lions share. Worley was the clear cut starter Under Bajakian. There was no skimping. I used the term "warrior" for Worley during his time in Knoxville. He has nothing to be ashamed of...he gave everything he had. That quantity just wasn't much

 

[Grand Vol]

Bray and Dobbs didn't overlap...Worley did. Two different QB coaches had access to him and we got what we got. Chaney coached ALL the QBs on the roster and of course gave the starter the lions share. Worley was the clear cut starter Under Bajakian. There was no skimping. I used the term "warrior" for Worley during his time in Knoxville. He has nothing to be ashamed of...he gave everything he had. That quantity just wasn't much

Calm down, B, I'm not arguing with you. I know Bray and Dobbs didn't overlap. Bray went pro as soon as Butch came on board. Now whether Worley got a "lion's share" of time under Bajay is debatable. You and I both know he wasn't the "clear cut" starter regardless of what CBJ said. Hell, if that was the case, why did Peterman start at UF? So, the question is whether Worley was considered a "lost cause" and they focused on Dobbs as the future since he melded better into that offense. And they focused on prepping him for the future while Worley played the "place holder" until he got up to speed.

I just think Worley was in a tough spot during a dark time of the program and could have been at least an average SEC QB with the right talent and possibly the right coaching, that's all.

 

[Catbone]

It's going to be qd

 

[butchna]

Calm down, B, I'm not arguing with you. I know Bray and Dobbs didn't overlap. Bray went pro as soon as Butch came on board. Now whether Worley got a "lion's share" of time under Bajay is debatable. You and I both know he wasn't the "clear cut" starter regardless of what CBJ said. Hell, if that was the case, why did Peterman start at UF? So, the question is whether Worley was considered a "lost cause" and they focused on Dobbs as the future since he melded better into that offense. And they focused on prepping him for the future while Worley played the "place holder" until he got up to speed.

I just think Worley was in a tough spot during a dark time of the program and could have been at least an average SEC QB with the right talent and possibly the right coaching, that's all.

I'm perfectly calm and exchanging my opinion with you. Peterman got his shot because Butch was understandably unimpressed with Worley's progress and possibly because he listened a little too much to the outside mob. It was a mistake...which happens. Peterman wasn't neck and neck with Worley before and definitively not afterwards. The starter got the vast majority (lions share) of coaching and Dobbs didn't start receiving that until Worley was injured. Both the first and second season of his career. I don't think we're really disagreeing about the tough circumstances that Worley had to operate in. I simply don't believe that he ever suffered from lack of COACHING. Maybe Dobbs has.

 

[Grand Vol]

I'm perfectly calm and exchanging my opinion with you. Peterman got his shot because Butch was understandably unimpressed with Worley's progress and possibly because he listened a little too much to the outside mob. It was a mistake...which happens. Peterman wasn't neck and neck with Worley before and definitively not afterwards. The starter got the vast majority (lions share) of coaching and Dobbs didn't start receiving that until Worley was injured. Both the first and second season of his career. I don't think we're really disagreeing about the tough circumstances that Worley had to operate in. I simply don't believe that he ever suffered from lack of COACHING. Maybe Dobbs has.

Round peg, square hole IMO.