QB play

#26
#26
VolBeef88 said:
The VOLS are in big trouble if what I saw lastnight is the best our QB can play. I was shocked at the lack of accuracy JC showed. It's been my experience that accuracy issues are very tough to change if at all. I'm very concerned about our QB play.
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The bad QB play you describe should sink us in SEC play. Against the joke of a team we just faced, the running game should have and would have been sufficient for a victory.
 
#27
#27
volfanbill said:
Crompton has the arm strength, that was obvious. I can't say I know this for football, but it seems like it would relate: In baseball, if a coach moves a middle infielder to third, it's not whether he immediately has the accuracy, it's whether he has the arm strength for the throw. I didn't have that arm strength and I remained a 2B, sometimes SS. I know several guys that did make the transition while I played and the coaches could teach accuracy, as long as they had the strength.

I would think that with Crompton's arm strength, a good coaching staff can get the accuracy part down over time. Can this coaching staff do it? Well that remains to be seen.
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In my opinion, the bigger problem wasn't so much innacuracy, it was throwing to the wrong guy. He wasn't making reads. He was basically a Maverick in the pocket with lead shoes.
 
#28
#28
MontereyVol said:
What teams do we face on our schedule gives you the confidence that our receivers will be able to always get open?
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Pretty lame response as I'm sure you don't honestly believe we won't have receivers open for the remainder of the year... but I understand the frustration.

Believe me, I'm not pumping sunshine... but I do think Crompton will get better.

He should never have thrown 41 passes last night.
 
#29
#29
DC Vol said:
In my opinion, the bigger problem wasn't so much innacuracy, it was throwing to the wrong guy. He wasn't making reads. He was basically a Maverick in the pocket with lead shoes.
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i will agree with that. He never checked off his receivers. He looked at his first receiver and no one else. However, I know I've seen the problem fixed thousands of times in college football.
 
#30
#30
Hopefully he just had a bad night and he's not actually as bad as he seemed. But, why in the hell would you throw it 41 times. If he's doesn't have his stuff together by attempt number twenty or so you've got to shut it down and rely on the running game.
 
#31
#31
General Jack said:
Pretty lame response as I'm sure you don't honestly believe we won't have receivers open for the remainder of the year... but I understand the frustration.

Believe me, I'm not pumping sunshine... but I do think Crompton will get better.

He should never have thrown 41 passes last night.
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Sure they will get open at times, but we are about to go up against Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Bama, SCjr all will make throwing more accurately an issue.
 
#32
#32
I think one of the biggest problems was Clawson wasn't letting Crompton play his game. Cromp isn't a guy like Ainge who can sit in the pocket and pick apart a defense. Crompton is best when he throws on the run. We didn't roll him out enough last night, and the only times we did it was to his left. Stupid. You saw the real JC on that last drive to set up the field goal for overtime. He likes to tuck it and run sometimes, and Clawson wasn't giving him that option early on. But our O-line needs to play with a little more attitude in order for him to get into a rythym and feel comfortable. I am looking for a lot more out of everybody in two weeks.
 
#35
#35
volfanbill said:
i will agree with that. He never checked off his receivers. He looked at his first receiver and no one else. However, I know I've seen the problem fixed thousands of times in college football.
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And that problem also hasn't been fixed many times.

I'm not saying I expect it to remain unresolved, but the lack of Clawson realizing that Crompton was shaky and adjusting is scary to me. Again, I don't think they were bad plays.... but bad choices given Crompton's performance. He clearly was not playing the system that Clawson designed. And by that I mean he wasn't throwing to the open receiver in the play that Clawson gave him.

As a coach, you can only usher a player to a certain behavior and choice... you can't force it. I hope that Crompton learns to learn and remembers the fundamentals.
 
#36
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DC Vol said:
And that problem also hasn't been fixed many times.

I'm not saying I expect it to remain unresolved, but the lack of Clawson realizing that Crompton was shaky and adjusting is scary to me. Again, I don't think they were bad plays.... but bad choices given Crompton's performance. He clearly was not playing the system that Clawson designed. And by that I mean he wasn't throwing to the open receiver in the play that Clawson gave him.

As a coach, you can only usher a player to a certain behavior and choice... you can't force it. I hope that Crompton learns to learn and remembers the fundamentals.
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i understand that as well, but as OC and qb coach, you also have to realize that none of what you are calling is working for your QB and make adjustments. There's plenty of blame to throw around here. Being Crompton's first game as the true starter is a bigger deal than it being Clawson's first game as OC. Clawson should have had the wherewithal to come up with different plays to help his QB out.
 
#37
#37
"I think we have some of the best (players) on offense in the country at every position," Crompton said. "If you're a quarterback, you definitely want to play in this system because you know you're about to get the ball to a playmaker. You just have to make the consistent play, and they will make the big plays for us."

From: Vols prepare launch of new offensive era | www.tennessean.com | The Tennessean

I didn't see those words translated into decisions on the field. Did anyone else?
 
#38
#38
VolBeef88 said:
I dont know what game you watched but he not only skipped some balls he over threw WR by 15 yards! He threw way behind and way ahead of the wr as well. I guarantee you ask any QB coach and they will tell you accuaracy issues are one of if not the toughest thing to fix on a QB.
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and how many years have you been coaching? just bs, pure bs.:mf_surrender: lets all give up after one game, Great Fans!!!
 
#39
#39
volfanbill said:
i understand that as well, but as OC and qb coach, you also have to realize that none of what you are calling is working for your QB and make adjustments. There's plenty of blame to throw around here. Being Crompton's first game as the true starter is a bigger deal than it being Clawson's first game as OC. Clawson should have had the wherewithal to come up with different plays to help his QB out.
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I agree 100%. The RBs should have carried most of the burden. Hell, the RBs should be carrying most of the burden through most of this year, not just the UCLA game.

The whole offense seemed to be build around Crompton, not what it should have been based on, which was the running game. Perhaps Clawson had a lot of confidence in Crompton's progression through the Offseason. I doubt he does anymore, if that's the case.
 
#40
#40
csheaton said:
I think one of the biggest problems was Clawson wasn't letting Crompton play his game. Cromp isn't a guy like Ainge who can sit in the pocket and pick apart a defense. Crompton is best when he throws on the run. We didn't roll him out enough last night, and the only times we did it was to his left. Stupid. You saw the real JC on that last drive to set up the field goal for overtime. He likes to tuck it and run sometimes, and Clawson wasn't giving him that option early on. But our O-line needs to play with a little more attitude in order for him to get into a rythym and feel comfortable. I am looking for a lot more out of everybody in two weeks.
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The ability to make a 5-10 completion has to be part of any QB's game, and Crompton couldn't do that. I do agree they should have rolled him out more considering the success the UCLA DTs had, but for the most part the pass blocking was okay.
 
#41
#41
coolcat said:
and how many years have you been coaching? just bs, pure bs.:mf_surrender: lets all give up after one game, Great Fans!!!
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No one here is completely downing Crompton except for the buffoon that said Crompton should be benched.

Calling it like it is is not being a bad fan. Simply put, if the scheme doesn't change, and Crompton doesn't play better... we are toast. UCLA has a decent D, but far from the best we'll see this year.
 
#42
#42
DC Vol said:
No one here is completely downing Crompton except for the buffoon that said Crompton should be benched.

Calling it like it is is not being a bad fan. Simply put, if the scheme doesn't change, and Crompton doesn't play better... we are toast. UCLA has a decent D, but far from the best we'll see this year.
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I guess I am a buffoon since I don't like the pansy way we treat QB's who play like crap. I am not saying to permanently bench him, just show him that he isn't the only option. Competition is a good thing.
 
#43
#43
DC Vol said:
No one here is completely downing Crompton except for the buffoon that said Crompton should be benched.

Calling it like it is is not being a bad fan. Simply put, if the scheme doesn't change, and Crompton doesn't play better... we are toast. UCLA has a decent D, but far from the best we'll see this year.
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Very much agree.

Having said this I don't think I'm alone in saying I liked what Clawson was obviously trying to do and was very disappointed when it started looking more and more like Crompton, at least at this point, just isn't up to the task. If Crompton can't do better than that you'll start seeing defenses revert to the old Rick Clauson formation and it'll be a very long year in SEC play.
 
#44
#44
MontereyVol said:
I guess I am a buffoon since I don't like the pansy way we treat QB's who play like crap. I am not saying to permanently bench him, just show him that he isn't the only option. Competition is a good thing.
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It is, but when Cromp isn't challenged for the starter's job then what does that really say??
 
#46
#46
VolBeef88 said:
The VOLS are in big trouble if what I saw lastnight is the best our QB can play. I was shocked at the lack of accuracy JC showed. It's been my experience that accuracy issues are very tough to change if at all. I'm very concerned about our QB play.
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I agree VB 8&8. We most certainly need a back up plan, a passer, not a runner.
 
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