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I know we have discussed this ad nauseam. And maybe I am overly sensitive to how our coaching staff has handled the QBs. I caught this Saturday night and had to go back and watch it again. 4th and change, we try to convert. The pocket collapses (seems like our guards got beat way to many times) and Baily has to throw it away. So as he heads over to the sidelines, Shrout is trying to coach him up and show support. Weinke makes some kind of snarky comment I am sure and then turns his back on him and walks away. Just continued poor QB development in my opinion. But perhaps I read the body language wrong.

 
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OP please provide time stamp...

There’s no question the QB room deserves a lot better than what they’re getting! Weinke should’ve been kicked off instead D line coach earlier this year...
 
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GTBATV said:
I know we have discussed this ad nauseam. And maybe I am overly sensitive to how our coaching staff has handled the QBs. I caught this Saturday night and had to go back and watch it again. 4th and change, we try to convert. The pocket collapses (seems like our guards got beat way to many times) and Baily has to throw it away. So as he heads over to the sidelines, Shrout is trying to coach him up and show support. Weinke makes some kind of snarky comment I am sure and then turns his back on him and walks away. Just continued poor QB development in my opinion. But perhaps I read the body language wrong.

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I agree with you completely. I have noticed this all year long that both Weinke and Pruitt NEVER, EVER give praise or encouragement to any players, both are very negative and grumpy looking. Like abusive parents, kids never do anything right. You would think if Bailey did something wrong, that this would be an excellent teaching moment and do it in a positive way, like don't worry about it, next time do this. I am more and more convinced that Pruitt and this entire Staff needs to be fired and the sooner the better!!!
 
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GTBATV said:
I know we have discussed this ad nauseam. And maybe I am overly sensitive to how our coaching staff has handled the QBs. I caught this Saturday night and had to go back and watch it again. 4th and change, we try to convert. The pocket collapses (seems like our guards got beat way to many times) and Baily has to throw it away. So as he heads over to the sidelines, Shrout is trying to coach him up and show support. Weinke makes some kind of snarky comment I am sure and then turns his back on him and walks away. Just continued poor QB development in my opinion. But perhaps I read the body language wrong.
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So he's a bad coach because you are "sure" he made a snarky comment about something... and you have no idea what that something was? Maybe HB made the wrong line call? Maybe he missed a pre-snap read? Maybe Weinke just said "keep your head up".

There's one guy to blame for the QB situation. Pruitt. Weinke didn't decide who to play. Pruitt did. Weinke didn't decide who was to get reps in practice. Pruitt did. Weinke didn't decide who was to get any extra prep time. Pruitt did.

Weinke and Chaney for that matter have a job. Part of that job is to do things within the strategy and philosophy of the HC. If they aren't doing that then the HC should discipline and fire them. He may do that (or scapegoat them) this year. But that seems pretty unlikely to be happening since he already fired one coach for essentially not doing things his way. Odds are they're responding to what Pruitt says to do.
 
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I have to be honest here, if I was Harrison's parents I would get him out of here IMMEDIATELY, I mean this kid has all the potential to be a great one, and he has Bubba as a HC and Weinke who has wasted 4 year or more on JG who has been a total failure as a QB, and yet they played him game after game. Bailey had offers from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Michigan and 50 other major universities that would take him in a minute and he could play immediately.

Tennessee is a major cluster f , and Harrison Bailey deserves better. Our lame ass administration is too cheap to hire a real coach, and too cheap to fire a terrible coach. South Carolina had no problem with payouts to fire old Musky, Auburn had no problem paying $30 million to make a change,

Tennessee just does not have the stomach to do the right thing and FIRE these incompetent dopes.
 
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sjt18 said:
So he's a bad coach because you are "sure" he made a snarky comment about something... and you have no idea what that something was? Maybe HB made the wrong line call? Maybe he missed a pre-snap read? Maybe Weinke just said "keep your head up".

There's one guy to blame for the QB situation. Pruitt. Weinke didn't decide who to play. Pruitt did. Weinke didn't decide who was to get reps in practice. Pruitt did. Weinke didn't decide who was to get any extra prep time. Pruitt did.

Weinke and Chaney for that matter have a job. Part of that job is to do things within the strategy and philosophy of the HC. If they aren't doing that then the HC should discipline and fire them. He may do that (or scapegoat them) this year. But that seems pretty unlikely to be happening since he already fired one coach for essentially not doing things his way. Odds are they're responding to what Pruitt says to do.
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Correct, I don't know what was said in that exchange. I was a scat back in HS, that was many years ago and our coaches were rough and in your face. I have zero experience in how to handle quaterbacks. And yes, Pruitt has his weight to carry. But Weinke is the QB coach, that is his title. So if they aren't being developed properly, he doesn't get a pass simply because he doesn't have the HC title.
 
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GTBATV said:
I know we have discussed this ad nauseam. And maybe I am overly sensitive to how our coaching staff has handled the QBs. I caught this Saturday night and had to go back and watch it again. 4th and change, we try to convert. The pocket collapses (seems like our guards got beat way to many times) and Baily has to throw it away. So as he heads over to the sidelines, Shrout is trying to coach him up and show support. Weinke makes some kind of snarky comment I am sure and then turns his back on him and walks away. Just continued poor QB development in my opinion. But perhaps I read the body language wrong.

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We had the right call on, but 58 completely whiffed on his guy. That's where the play broke down. He got embarrassed.

However, when his guy got to Bailey, HB shook him off and sat him down LIKE A MAN. That was good to see. But by then the play was busted.

HB, with more experience, would fire that one out in front of Gray earlier in the play for the likely first down.

Our WR 5 & RB 3 wound up bunched up in the same spot, short of the 1st down marker, with wide open grass behind them. If 5 breaks downfield HB could've hit him for the big gain.

Not sure what Weinke said, but it looks like he was responding to HB asking or saying something. I think from the hand gestures that Shrout was telling him the WR should've broken downfield. Just a guess.

Either way, 58 should be embarrassed, and HB handled the entire situation MUCH better than previous recent QBs handled similar situations. I'm ok with it. Loved seeing the D patting HB as he was coming off, like "we got you".
 
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GTBATV said:
Correct, I don't know what was said in that exchange. I was a scat back in HS, that was many years ago and our coaches were rough and in your face. I have zero experience in how to handle quaterbacks. And yes, Pruitt has his weight to carry. But Weinke is the QB coach, that is his title. So if they aren't being developed properly, he doesn't get a pass simply because he doesn't have the HC title.
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IMHO, I thought both QB's looked to have good technique. HB does a good job of going through progressions. I thought Shrout looked improved at that too. HB held the ball or didn't slide on that fumble but after what we've watched the last 3 years... both guys looked mostly on time and target.

Remember what Weinke was tasked to try to overcome with JG. He wasn't a typical upperclass QB... they were still trying to get him to overcome weaknesses that good QB's get past by year 2 or 3 at the latest.
 
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sjt18 said:
So he's a bad coach because you are "sure" he made a snarky comment about something... and you have no idea what that something was? Maybe HB made the wrong line call? Maybe he missed a pre-snap read? Maybe Weinke just said "keep your head up".

There's one guy to blame for the QB situation. Pruitt. Weinke didn't decide who to play. Pruitt did. Weinke didn't decide who was to get reps in practice. Pruitt did. Weinke didn't decide who was to get any extra prep time. Pruitt did.

Weinke and Chaney for that matter have a job. Part of that job is to do things within the strategy and philosophy of the HC. If they aren't doing that then the HC should discipline and fire them. He may do that (or scapegoat them) this year. But that seems pretty unlikely to be happening since he already fired one coach for essentially not doing things his way. Odds are they're responding to what Pruitt says to do.
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You took the words right out of my mouth.
 
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I want you guys to look at 3:29 in the 3rd quarter. Look at our left takle pre-snap and then look at what he does as the ball is snapped. Now I'm no conspiracy guy but this really looks intentional. If you want to know what's wrong with our program you can start there. Hopefully this gets you off of OP back. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AND TELL ME
 
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gtin723 said:
I have to be honest here, if I was Harrison's parents I would get him out of here IMMEDIATELY, I mean this kid has all the potential to be a great one, and he has Bubba as a HC and Weinke who has wasted 4 year or more on JG who has been a total failure as a QB, and yet they played him game after game. Bailey had offers from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Michigan and 50 other major universities that would take him in a minute and he could play immediately.

Tennessee is a major cluster f , and Harrison Bailey deserves better. Our lame ass administration is too cheap to hire a real coach, and too cheap to fire a terrible coach. South Carolina had no problem with payouts to fire old Musky, Auburn had no problem paying $30 million to make a change,

Tennessee just does not have the stomach to do the right thing and FIRE these incompetent dopes.
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Some of your points are valid but that’s such a tough decision. He’s got to get a legit opportunity to win the job if he transfers. What school has a qb room (easier to win) than ours? And he’s close to home. The reality is Pruitt likely won’t be here for the duration of Bailey’s career.
 
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gtin723 said:
I have to be honest here, if I was Harrison's parents I would get him out of here IMMEDIATELY, I mean this kid has all the potential to be a great one, and he has Bubba as a HC and Weinke who has wasted 4 year or more on JG who has been a total failure as a QB, and yet they played him game after game. Bailey had offers from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Michigan and 50 other major universities that would take him in a minute and he could play immediately.

Tennessee is a major cluster f , and Harrison Bailey deserves better. Our lame ass administration is too cheap to hire a real coach, and too cheap to fire a terrible coach. South Carolina had no problem with payouts to fire old Musky, Auburn had no problem paying $30 million to make a change,

Tennessee just does not have the stomach to do the right thing and FIRE these incompetent dopes.
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^Legoins of the miserables charter member^
 
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One thing that has puzzled me in watching the past few years is that the qb’s don’t get much instruction during the game while the defense is in. In the pros, qbs are always talking with coaches, other qbs, or looking at the photos/videos of the previous series when on the sideline. Maybe it happened with JG but was not picked up by tv. The best time to instruct / correct errors is during an actual game.
 
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lukeneyland said:
I’d sell my soul for a Cutcliffe Pruitt team. If Pruitt stuck to recruiting and defense and let Cut do his thing we’d be elite
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I understand you are speaking from past recruiting, but Pruitt's recruiting stock seems headed down the toilet. Who would sign up for this?
 
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Eastknox865 said:
I want you guys to look at 3:29 in the 3rd quarter. Look at our left takle pre-snap and then look at what he does as the ball is snapped. Now I'm no conspiracy guy but this really looks intentional. If you want to know what's wrong with our program you can start there. Hopefully this gets you off of OP back. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AND TELL ME
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I dont know if trying to get Bailey sacked was intentional or not but it was certainly pathetic.

Just like 87 Jacob Warren trying to block earlier in the game on the fumble/not fumble play down near Vandys end zone in the end of the first quarter.

Pruitt chose not to mention that mistake but put it on Bailey. Personally thought that was BS myself.

Pruitt has done verbal gymnastics this year to not blame Guarantano for anything but dings Bailey for a play where he is hit from the back side on an almost ole block.

Well, no. We kind of went a feel for it there. Let me tell you, Harrison is not going to do anything but improve, right? On the fumble there, lots of things that he needs it work on. It’s not knowing what to do or where to go with the ball. It’s how fast that he plays. And that’s normal for a guy that’s going into this league.
 
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Old Geezer said:
I understand you are speaking from past recruiting, but Pruitt's recruiting stock seems headed down the toilet. Who would sign up for this?
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Cutcliffe is a wizard. That man can can achieve with just about any type of player. Pruitt can do a good job with a defense. If Cutcliffe took over the offense next year with its current level of talent I think he’d get great results
 
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Honestly, I see Pruitt as an abusive personality. He has always been excessively negative, unwilling to give individual players credit when due, always deflecting any positive attention away from any player. He even yanks every QB (not named (JG) out of the game the moment they make any error. While coaches should always be looking for improvement, Pruitt's negativity has got to have a deflating effect individuals.
 
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