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#626
#626
VolAllen said:
Based on:

He didn't almost beat UGA.
He didn't beat USC.
He turned the ball over a lot, Worley didn't.

Worley's SEC win - #9 South Carolina (and almost UGA)
Dobb's SEC win - Kentucky

The team seemed stable with Worley. They didn't with Dobbs. Worley will start this year and probably do well. Wish they would just announce that already and help boost his confidence.
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Worley didnt have time to turn the ball over a lot seeing how it was "3-and-out" almost EVERY series.

And the team seemed less stable because they had no clue who was going to be the QB.
 
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#627
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oregonvol said:
Yeah, it's not as if Vanderbilt had any injuries either.

But man, we were close. So close to being able to say we could beat Vanderbilt at home. If only our offensive game plan hadn't been entirely based around one freshman and took into account the incredibly remote possibility that he could get injured.
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I wish they'd sent Johnathan Johnson to the slot that game as I believe that would've given us more to work with (Josh Smith was dropping too many passes) and likely enabled us to pull out a solid win with or without that block in the back but they didn't and I have the benefit of hindsight. They did put Johnson (and Devrin since he'd finally healed) in the slot at UK and both had some great catches, especially Young.

But when they planned for that game the tools were extremely limited and even more so with North getting hurt immediately. Our O-line was also worn out and false starting/killing good drives at this point - they must have gotten beat up in the Bama game because all those false starts and poor play started to show on the O-line in every game after. Overall the team was making plenty of mental mistakes that were drive and TD negating on multiple occasions in multiple games post-Bama - mentally and physically the team was beat up. The grind of the season really caught up with the entire team (the coaches too, imo) as did the lack of depth and culminated in what we saw in the Vandy game.
 
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lexkyvol said:
stable.....nope. got 1 big win, yes!

this was also before a pile of injuries
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It doesn't matter. Dobbs will be sitting next to Peterman, and still be sitting after Peterman leaves. Worley is starting. Ferg will be 2nd. We'll recruit a QB next year and then Dobbs AND Ferg will both be sitting. If there's not an OBVIOUS starter at this point, then none of them are very good. Worley gets the nod based on experience. I'll bump this a year from now.
 
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VolAllen said:
It doesn't matter. Dobbs will be sitting next to Peterman, and still be sitting after Peterman leaves. Worley is starting. Ferg will be 2nd. We'll recruit a QB next year and then Dobbs AND Ferg will both be sitting. If there's not an OBVIOUS starter at this point, then none of them are very good. Worley gets the nod based off experience. I'll bump this a year from now.
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that sums it up.
 
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oregonvol said:
Yeah, it's not as if Vanderbilt had any injuries either.

But man, we were close. So close to being able to say we could beat Vanderbilt at home. If only our offensive game plan hadn't been entirely based around one freshman and took into account the incredibly remote possibility that he could get injured.
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Sometimes when you try too hard...you're not trying hard enough :unsure: Sarcasm shouldn't be a victim of SHAKEN CHILD SYNDROME...easy on the energy drinks Orrie. :rock:
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
Are you forgetting that Dobbs threw 2 TDs and 6 INTs on the year. Both TDs came against UK.
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He threw more than that but our trusty team penalty-negated them. However when you add in his rushing TDs, Dobbs and Worley are statistically very similar in terms of production.
 
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UTProf said:
He threw more than that but our trusty team penalty-negated them. However when you add in his rushing TDs, Dobbs and Worley are statistically very similar in terms of production.
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1 rushing TD?..... against UK

Worley is still ahead. Heres there numbers against actual competition. BTW WKU is better than UK.

3.5 games. Dobbs was 58/98 0 passing TDs and 0 rushing TDs against Bama, Mizzou, Auburn and Vandy. With 5 INTs. 496 yards.

4.5 games. Worley was 67/128 4 passing TDs 0 rushing TDs against Oregon, Florida, USC, Bama, and UGA. With 4 INTs. 789 yards

Although Dobbs had a higher completion %, Worley put up more yards per game and actually scored.
 
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VolAllen said:
It doesn't matter. Dobbs will be sitting next to Peterman, and still be sitting after Peterman leaves. Worley is starting. Ferg will be 2nd. We'll recruit a QB next year and then Dobbs AND Ferg will both be sitting. If there's not an OBVIOUS starter at this point, then none of them are very good. Worley gets the nod based on experience. I'll bump this a year from now.
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Unbelievable.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
1 rushing TD?..... against UK

Worley is still ahead. Heres there numbers against actual competition. BTW WKU is better than UK.

3.5 games. Dobbs was 58/98 0 passing TDs and 0 rushing TDs against Bama, Mizzou, Auburn and Vandy. With 5 INTs. 496 yards.

4.5 games. Worley was 67/128 4 passing TDs 0 rushing TDs against Oregon, Florida, USC, Bama, and UGA. With 4 INTs. 789 yards

Although Dobbs had a higher completion %, Worley put up more yards per game and actually scored.
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I've run the statistics and have no intention of running them again with someone who obviously has an agenda. You won't be convinced. Sorry POA. I was wrong about you.
 
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#639
#639
KBVol said:
What did CBJ say in favor of Josh? If he'd said it, I would've posted it here. I love Dobbs and have defended his play from last year many times on here. There's one particular poster that seems to hate the kid and I've gone rounds with him outlining how well Dobbs actually played vs Bama, especially vs Mizzou and how he even scored the game winning td vs Vandy had it not been for Pig. You haven't seen those posts I guess. I personally was hoping that the 2 young guys Dobbs and Ferguson were gonna be 1 and 2 but it doesn't appear to be playing out that way.

I've felt a need to post the truth on here about who's getting the team 1 reps because there appears to be so many uninformed opinions on here. One guy actually said he's sure the starting QB decision for Butch boils down to Peterman and Dobbs (the 2 that are getting the reps with the 2s) because Butch "knows what he has with those guys".... and that Worley is the 'wildcard'. What?!?

All I've done in here is try to be objective about where the QB race stands right now based SOLELY on what I've read and heard from who I consider reliable sources. If Dobbs was splitting team 1 reps with Worley that's exactly what I would post on here, along with others I'm sure. Right now, it's clearly Worley 1 and Ferguson 2.... just heard Hyams say it again on 104.5 in Nashville.

Finally, the reason I think Ferguson was gonna play before Josh last year is because of CBJs decision to include him on the Florida traveling squad and not Dobbs. CBJ could give all the coach speak he wanted but his actions told where the 2 were on the depth chart. It's also only logical to assume that had Riley not suffered the stress fracture that he would've run started the 2nd half vs Bama and not Josh. That being said, I was thrilled with how Dobbs played that half vs Bama and I saw a lot of potential in him last year. Believe it or not, I'm a big Josh Dobbs fan and my past posts about him prove it.
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I'm talking about what was reported by the news.
"Jones called the decision to play Dobbs over Ferguson "a coach's decision" and not due to an injury."

I appreciate that people want to weigh heavily on which QB is getting more first team reps but I honestly am not sure how much weight you can put on this in the grand scheme of picking starter and backup QB. It's still early in the season and truth be told of the 4 Ferguson has gotten the least experience of all the other 3 since his injury. That may be the very reason Jones is putting him on more first team reps and NOT because he thinks he's better than the other 3. The exception being Worley because regardless he's most likely starting. Why that is, is between Worley and the coaches.

KBVol said:
Here..... these are the twitter posts Freak posted from Thursday. Am I being biased for Ferguson and against Dobbs here?

. @UTCoachJones i was really disappointed n QB group today. But i thought @tha_truth_104 had the best leadership today. No spring depth chrt

Danny Parker: @UTCoachJones says redshirt freshman Riley Ferguson shown more leadership than other QBs. No post-spring depth chart coming.

JONES: We are waiting for someone to take grab and say 'I am the quarterback of Tennessee.' You have to bring it every single day.
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Freak conveniently left out an important comment made after Butch praised Ferguson. Perhaps Freak is a Fergie fan?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/lTzmia1e6W8[/youtube]

Watch this Butch Jones presser.

With regard to Thursdays(4/10/14) practice only.

Butch Jones @ 3:51: I thought Riley had more leadership than any of them but not to our standard by which we're going to play quarterback here at TN.

Butch Jones @ 4:08: We don't believe in depth charts in our football program.
 
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UTProf said:
I've run the statistics and have no intention of running them again with someone who obviously has an agenda. You won't be convinced. Sorry POA. I was wrong about you.
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I have no agenda (Ive had this avatar since mid last season). I just dont see how people say that Dobbs and Worley's numbers were similar, and that Dobbs put those numbers up against better competition. Most of Dobbs' good stats came against UK which was the 2nd worst team we played. I like Dobbs, but he needs some serious work. Yes, he put up a better completion %, but it didnt amount to anything. Its crazy how the Dobbonites are Dobbs or bust, even though its obvious he is behind the rest. And the rest of us are just looking for improvement
 
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#641
coug said:
Butch Jones @ 3:51: I thought Riley had more leadership than any of them but not to our standard by which we're going to play quarterback here at TN.
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And? If his leadership isnt up to par, that means nobodys is.


Youre trying too hard
 
#642
#642
PassedOutAwake said:
I have no agenda (Ive had this avatar since mid last season). I just dont see how people say that Dobbs and Worley's numbers were similar, and that Dobbs put those numbers up against better competition. Most of Dobbs' good stats came against UK which was the 2nd worst team we played. I like Dobbs, but he needs some serious work. Yes, he put up a better completion %, but it didnt amount to anything.
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And yet that isn't true. Most of his stats didn't come from UK at all.

Dobbs and Worley's numbers are similar, in fact, accounting for total production Dobbs' are actually slightly better. You can believe that or not but it is what the numbers say.
 
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#643
#643
coug said:
I'm talking about what was reported by the news.
"Jones called the decision to play Dobbs over Ferguson "a coach's decision" and not due to an injury."

I appreciate that people want to weigh heavily on which QB is getting more first team reps but I honestly am not sure how much weight you can put on this in the grand scheme of picking starter and backup QB. It's still early in the season and truth be told of the 4 Ferguson has gotten the least experience of all the other 3 since his injury. That may be the very reason Jones is putting him on more first team reps and NOT because he thinks he's better than the other 3. The exception being Worley because regardless he's most likely starting. Why that is, is between Worley and the coaches.



Freak conveniently left out an important comment made after Butch praised Ferguson. Perhaps Freak is a Fergie fan?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/lTzmia1e6W8[/youtube]

Watch this Butch Jones presser.

With regard to Thursdays(4/10/14) practice only.

Butch Jones @ 3:51: I thought Riley had more leadership than any of them but not to our standard by which we're going to play quarterback here at TN.

Butch Jones @ 4:08: We don't believe in depth charts in our football program.
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Good God, you want you some Dobbs!
Freak is part of the conspiracy!
Dammit, son get a grip!
 
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UTProf said:
And yet that isn't true. Most of his stats didn't come from UK at all.

Dobbs and Worley's numbers are similar, in fact, accounting for total production Dobbs' are actually slightly better. You can believe that or not but it is what the numbers say.
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How? No body is explaining it. I just posted their stats. Every point that Dobbs scored was against UK.

Completion % - Dobbs
Passing yards per game - Worley
Rushing Yards per game - Dobbs
Most TDs - Worley
Fewest Turnovers per game- Worley
Worley was sacked 6 times in 8 games
Dobbs was sacked 7 times in 5 games


QB ratings -
Dobbs - 103.3
Worley - 117.4

Some Dobbs notes:
Had 695 yards on the season. 199 came against UK. Had 3 TDs (Pass and Rush) on the season. All 3 came against UK.

I still dont see how their production was similar or how Dobbs was better.
 
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#645
Sorry I've done this too many times and I don't feel like running the numbers down again or arguing it. You don't believe it that's fine with me.
 
#647
#647
UTProf Do you honestly think Dobbs was as effective as Worley? Or are you just playing devil's advocate?
 
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#650
PassedOutAwake said:
I have no agenda (Ive had this avatar since mid last season). I just dont see how people say that Dobbs and Worley's numbers were similar, and that Dobbs put those numbers up against better competition. Most of Dobbs' good stats came against UK which was the 2nd worst team we played. I like Dobbs, but he needs some serious work. Yes, he put up a better completion %, but it didnt amount to anything. Its crazy how the Dobbonites are Dobbs or bust, even though its obvious he is behind the rest. And the rest of us are just looking for improvement
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Like yourself, I am not all Dobbs.... But a kid a few months out of high school matched up with a junior(worley) with plenty of experience.... A true freshman that ran the ball straight at Bama's backers.
 
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