QB Change & Dormady play

#76
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Vol8188 said:
Some good examples:

1. 3rd and 12 first quarter (around 13:30 on the clock) overthrows a crossing route.
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Two bad throws but neither was an overthrow. One was just a horrible pass that missed JJ badly. Not sure what happened. The one just after 13:30 was knocked down by a LB as QD tried to hit a crossing route.

2. 7:10 in the 1st quarter. Another overthrow.
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That was one of the ones I remembered.

3. 2nd 0:14 on the clock. Overthrows another route over the middle.
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Not sure why he threw it... but there one of the other receivers had crossed JJ's route. I'd also say that there might have been just a little interference on that play since JJ couldn't reach with both hands because a GT play had a lock on the other one.

And too, what was the risk on that particular play? It was 4th and 2 at the 44 yard line with 10 seconds on the clock. If they had intercepted it... they would have basically had the ball in the same place with 10 seconds in the half. I don't know if he's savvy enough to think that way... but hopefully he is.

Any of these could've fell into the arms of a safety. You can have the ball floating over the middle of the field.

https://youtu.be/T7XatS7gcG4
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Any incompletion is an INT if a defender happens to be there. Every throw across the middle carries some risk if it isn't caught. Are you suggesting that UT give up on throwing to the middle of the field?
 
#77
#77
JMSqb11 said:
He didn't stare down Wolf on that TD. He grew up a little in the last 5-6 minutes against Florida. Hate the result, but he took baby steps against an SEC defense in crunch time.
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Saw that too. As the game went on he started looking for 2 and 3. JG already scans the field better but throws fastballs. I like the arm strength but tipped balls can be just as bad. JG will probably be full time if we lose 2 more games. I just want some sense of urgency on defense.
 
#78
#78
volmandu said:
I know Gurantano is yet to play meaningful snaps in a big game but I am really worried about how Dormady has a tendency to throw in double/triple coverages and tight windows.
In GT game, he had atleast 3 that could have been easily picked off. Against Florida, one INT in the end zone wasn't completely his fault but two others were bad read. There were at least two other passes where defender almost picked it off.
Now, none of us have seen Gurantano play extensively but Dormady does not look SEC QB to me based on the 3 games I have seen him play. Any chance we see Butch proactively change QB or he will wait till we lose to GA and Bama ?
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In his defense-there were several times last week when WRs were clearly not where they were supposed to be. The slant INT was an obvious one, but there were a few play action plays meant to be deep shots and you had WRs running posts at each other (which obviously was not be design).
 
#79
#79
It's too bad They can't be coached by all the world class QB coaches from VN
 
#80
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armchair said:
We have coaches who, in a practical and real sense, are not very smart. Having a QB audible three games into his career? As if a new QB doesn't have enough to worry about? Who does that? Run the freaking play, run the freaking ball. We should be leaning on all three of our backs in both run and pass game--get them out in space. Throw more to the TE. Play smart....for a change.
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Ainge said on his show that all the audibles QD made were correct. He also said that his youth and lack of experience were such that he didn't understand he shouldn't have audibled at the goal line. He said it reminded him of himself as a freshman. QD needs game reps. Ainge says he can play, so I will defer to his judgment.
 
#81
#81
PEPPERJAX said:
Big problem is the coaches insist on QD running an offense that requires a pretty mobile QB. QD is not going to strike fear into any SEC defense running the ball. IF the staff wants QD to remain the starter, then help the guy out and tweak the offense to suit him.
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Agree. Sometimes that offense looks pretty awkward with him running it. Receivers are making a lot of mistakes as well.
 
#82
#82
How has no one mentioned QD's fiancé's dad is Butch's buddy/bff and on the sideline for every game and Butch flies on his plane? Same kind of nepotipical BS why a lot of guys play and others don't, I.e. Colton jumper.
 
#83
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DougVol said:
Saw that too. As the game went on he started looking for 2 and 3. JG already scans the field better but throws fastballs. I like the arm strength but tipped balls can be just as bad. JG will probably be full time if we lose 2 more games. I just want some sense of urgency on defense.
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Dormady started 4/4. Then went 1/6, and then finished the first half 10/18. Way too many passing plays in the first half and not enough runs.

In the 4th quarter, QD only had 3-5 incompletions and he was able to read the defense. The guy is slowing getting better. I expect JG to get a lot of reps against UMass, but I hope we open up the mid-deep passing plays.
 
#84
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volsatl57 said:
How has no one mentioned QD's fiancé's dad is Butch's buddy/bff and on the sideline for every game and Butch flies on his plane? Same kind of nepotipical BS why a lot of guys play and others don't, I.e. Colton jumper.
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First off, that is incorrect. Butch only flies on one donor plane and it is because of an ego thing. I know this because of my work in Aviation. All you gotta do is look at Jones' wiki photo.

You're just trying to stir some stuff up.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Dormady started 4/4. Then went 1/6, and then finished the first half 10/18. Way too many passing plays in the first half and not enough runs.

In the 4th quarter, QD only had 3-5 incompletions and he was able to read the defense. The guy is slowing getting better. I expect JG to get a lot of reps against UMass, but I hope we open up the mid-deep passing plays.
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completing to the rb is not a sign of a qb improving
 
#87
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volsatl57 said:
How has no one mentioned QD's fiancé's dad is Butch's buddy/bff and on the sideline for every game and Butch flies on his plane? Same kind of nepotipical BS why a lot of guys play and others don't, I.e. Colton jumper.
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lol did you watch JG against Indiana ST at all?
 
#88
#88
sjt18 said:
Any incompletion is an INT if a defender happens to be there. Every throw across the middle carries some risk if it isn't caught. Are you suggesting that UT give up on throwing to the middle of the field?
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Every throw carries some amount of risk. Every throw across the middle carries a greater level of risk if thrown with the same accuracy as a throw to the outside. But that's the real issue.

A throw over the middle should always be more accurate than a throw to the outside because of the shorter distance.

I'm just making one clear statement. You cannot throw high over the middle. If you miss, it has to be low. And those incompletions do not carry equal risk of an interception. A low ball is more likely to land in the dirt than a high ball. If we miss across the middle, it can't be high. You'll either get a wr hurt or throw a pick.

And it all comes back to balance. If the qb is balanced his throw will be level. If his weight is forward his ball will be low. If his weight is back (throwing off his back foot), the ball will be high.
 
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#90
Need to give Guarantano another look against UMass. Not just the throwing off the back foot by JD, but the horrible judgment on turnovers and near turnovers, throwing into triple coverage etc. Then, too, running the option keepers (only 3 this year by my count), he surely looks slow, while Guarantano at least carries out the fake. Maybe it's because he's new and hasn't gotten tired of it yet??? Knowing the keep part of the option is mostly for show???
 
#91
#91
Dormady stats that I care about: 5TDs and 4 INTs

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#92
#92
armchair said:
We have coaches who, in a practical and real sense, are not very smart. Having a QB audible three games into his career? As if a new QB doesn't have enough to worry about? Who does that? Run the freaking play, run the freaking ball. We should be leaning on all three of our backs in both run and pass game--get them out in space. Throw more to the TE. Play smart....for a change.
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I agree . This offense is dumb . It tries to be everything and ends up not very good at anything. We are a spread , west coast passing attack that tries to run power and the zone read all at once . We try to trick our way with gimmicky wing tee plays and rarely commit to down hill running , which is difficult to do from the gun . This nonsense is not going to work no matter the QB
 
#93
#93
majic73 said:
I agree . This offense is dumb . It tries to be everything and ends up not very good at anything. We are a spread , west coast passing attack that tries to run power and the zone read all at once . We try to trick our way with gimmicky wing tee plays and rarely commit to down hill running , which is difficult to do from the gun . This nonsense is not going to work no matter the QB
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The offense is fine, see last year.

The new QB doesn't fit the Offense, see this year.
 
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#94
#94
Orange_Vol1321 said:
The offense is fine, see last year.

The new QB doesn't fit the Offense, see this year.
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If Palmer and Kelly don’t drop those TD catches, everyone would be singing a different tune about our offense. Basically would be saying that the offense isn’t pretty but it’s growing with more experience. That Palmer drop makes the game 10-6 and Kelly drop makes it 24-20.

One good thing about these guys is that Kelly and QD aren’t ever gonna be counted out. In that order.
 
#96
#96
How about we actually let QD play and develop. He literally had a limited amount of possessions in the GT game and split time with JG in the Indiana State game. No matter who plays at Qb they would be learning on the job since they are both so inexperienced. We've had 1 running QB in how many years and all of a sudden that's all some seem to want.
 
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#97
#97
Orange_Vol1321 said:
The offense is fine, see last year.

The new QB doesn't fit the Offense, see this year.
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I seem to remember 163 yard against Alabama and getting shut down at opportune times against USCe and Vandy . Not fine at all . I think that there has been alot written and said about the offense outside of Volnation. It would be worth some research
 
#98
#98
Without half of the dropped passes, we are 3-0. QD is doing his job enough for us to win. Yes, some mistakes but he isn't the problem if he puts the ball on the receiver's hands.

Also, I think that knee/ankle is giving him trouble. I don't remember him ever throwing off his back foot in garbage time last season or the O&W games like he is doing now. Don't recall him having that brace either.
 
#99
#99
OrngeChkrboardVFL said:
Without half of the dropped passes, we are 3-0. QD is doing his job enough for us to win. Yes, some mistakes but he isn't the problem if he puts the ball on the receiver's hands.

Also, I think that knee/ankle is giving him trouble. I don't remember him ever throwing off his back foot in garbage time last season or the O&W games like he is doing now. Don't recall him having that brace either.
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He looks horrid most of the time he passes. Off his back foot on the run across the middle of the damn field like he never played football before.
 
#100
#100
Bauce said:
Dormady stats that I care about: 5TDs and 4 INTs

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Yeah... because it is Dormady's fault that Jones gets trucked, MC lets the ball go through his hands, Palmer drops a back shoulder throw two plays before giving up on a slant route resulting in a pick.

You really need to put things in context before assigning blame.

Want to make a completely fair criticism of QD? Watch the play where UF got the taunting call. UT ran a rub route with MC and Palmer. The DB's got confused and both went with MC. It probably should have been a pick... but SHOULD have been a TD to Palmer. Watch the play. Palmer ends up being wide open but Dormady anticipated MC being in single coverage and didn't check down. Terrible play... that he got away with.
 
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