QB Battle

[Pruitt Will Do It]

 

[butchna]

I actually played for someone who very respected and is in the TSHOF and one of the greatest TN coaches. For a program that is a multiple time champion. He is still there winning championships.

Many coaches think this way. It is smart. You just don't understand the concept apparently. To build a program you don't mortgage several more wins over the next few years for MAYBE one extra win this year.

No one said play an inferior player. If a player is really close and much younger he isn't inferior. Just less experienced. With experience he will be better.

You don’t project wins for the future...best way to lose NOW. And I never cited “experience” as part of the BETTER. Good coaches can tell without checking a yearbook. If your coach was as legit as you’re reciting, then something got lost in the translation when it reached you...happened before.

 

[sjt18]

How does it go without saying KC is more the type of guy? What type is that? JG is more accurate and throws down the field more. KC scrambles more. It seems JG is more his type.
So what does that mean?

The big name qbs are 2020 anyway.

I know you have a thing for JG.

But the simple fact is that KC is someone that Pruitt chose and pursued. JG is not. Not JG's fault. Just the facts. AND... if Pruitt thought as much of JG as you do then he likely wouldn't have been so determined to find a grad transfer that was expected to come in and compete to start.

PS- your evaluation of JG... is still wrong. JG's yards per completion was 11.6. Dormady was 12.2. Chryst was 12.3. This in spite of having his numbers skewed in a couple of games where D's went into prevent at the end. JG was given as safe of a package as UT could give him last year. They didn't ask him to do many reads. They gave him a lot of short throws with no reads at all. You can tell this by how he played. You can tell by what happened when his designated target and second were covered (took lots of sacks).

He has the physical talent to be great. Mentally, he lost the job to Dormady because he wasn't ready. He played and wasn't fully ready. Unless he's made up ground, he's going to struggle in competition against a guy who reportedly already knows Helton's system.

 

[k-town_king]

I know you have a thing for JG.

But the simple fact is that KC is someone that Pruitt chose and pursued. JG is not. Not JG's fault. Just the facts. AND... if Pruitt thought as much of JG as you do then he likely wouldn't have been so determined to find a grad transfer that was expected to come in and compete to start.

PS- your evaluation of JG... is still wrong. JG's yards per completion was 11.6. Dormady was 12.2. Chryst was 12.3. This in spite of having his numbers skewed in a couple of games where D's went into prevent at the end. JG was given as safe of a package as UT could give him last year. They didn't ask him to do many reads. They gave him a lot of short throws with no reads at all. You can tell this by how he played. You can tell by what happened when his designated target and second were covered (took lots of sacks).

He has the physical talent to be great. Mentally, he lost the job to Dormady because he wasn't ready. He played and wasn't fully ready. Unless he's made up ground, he's going to struggle in competition against a guy who reportedly already knows Helton's system.

Well of course he didn't recruit JG here. He was talented enough to already be on a squad instead of running from somewhere he got his job took.

Pruitt didn't really "choose" KC like you are acting. He wasn't even the first gt we went after. Where did he say he was determined to get someone who was expected to compete to start? We only had one SEC level qb on the roster. We were desperate for more bodies in the qb room.

JG ypa 7.17 QD 6.8 ypa KC 6.7 ypa

JG on average threw deeper passes. Stop using a stat that is literally not listed when you look up their passing stats. JG ran the full offense by his third start. He was more effective and threw deeper passes than QD. Stop making up stuff. Also if Dormady played so many prevent defenses that should bump up his ypa. They were conceding passes that were 10-15 yards if they were in a prevent. Not helping your case pointing out all the freebies he got and still having abysmal accuracy and ypa.

Butch went with the "safe" choice in the upperclassman. JG learned the offense and took the job from QD then played better than QD did in the same offense while missing several players availabile to QD.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I actually played for someone who very respected and is in the TSHOF and one of the greatest TN coaches. For a program that is a multiple time champion. He is still there winning championships.

Many coaches think this way. It is smart. You just don't understand the concept apparently. To build a program you don't mortgage several more wins over the next few years for MAYBE one extra win this year.

No one said play an inferior player. If a player is really close and much younger he isn't inferior. Just less experienced. With experience he will be better.

South Pittsburgh?

 

[Russdaddy2027]

Playing a freshman QB in the SEC is not a recipe for success

Was this supposed to be in blue Font? TUA, Fromm...etc

 

[k-town_king]

South Pittsburgh?

Nah it was basketball. Not football.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Nah it was basketball. Not football.

Gotcha.

 

[The Original Fade]

Was this supposed to be in blue Font? TUA, Fromm...etc

Because we have the same supporting casts as those two exceptions to the rule?

 

[Russdaddy2027]

Playing a freshman QB in the SEC is not a recipe for success

Because we have the same supporting casts as those two exceptions to the rule?

Now you used the term recipe for success, the examples pointed out were part of the recipe their respective teams had for success. So Freshmen QB's have been part of a recipe for success, just because we might have to use ingredients from ALDi's instead of Publix for a couple seasons doesn't mean we can't use the same recipe.

**worth noting that I am in no way advocating for Shrout to start, That's CJP's job and I'll leave him to it...***

 

[The Original Fade]

Now you used the term recipe for success, the examples pointed out were part of the recipe their respective teams had for success. So Freshmen QB's have been part of a recipe for success, just because we might have to use ingredients from ALDi's instead of Publix for a couple seasons doesn't mean we can't use the same recipe.

**worth noting that I am in no way advocating for Shrout to start, That's CJP's job and I'll leave him to it...***

 

[sjt18]

Well of course he didn't recruit JG here. He was talented enough to already be on a squad instead of running from somewhere he got his job took.

And this is why no one can have a reasonable conversation with you. He was recruited by Jones. Not Pruitt. That's the whole point. You don't need to use your imagination to expand it into a personal affront to YOU.

Pruitt didn't really "choose" KC like you are acting. He wasn't even the first gt we went after. Where did he say he was determined to get someone who was expected to compete to start? We only had one SEC level qb on the roster. We were desperate for more bodies in the qb room.

If some of the commitments coming straight out of the blue tell us anything... it is that we don't know whether KC was the "first" qb he went after or not. We do know he is a big, strong armed QB with starting experience and success in a P5 conference... who knows Helton's system.

JG ypa 7.17 QD 6.8 ypa KC 6.7 ypa

Yards per completion and yards per attempt are not the same thing but used in comparison to each other they CAN tell you how much a QB goes downfield. Yards per completion is just that.... how long your average completed pass is. JG's is less.

JG on average threw deeper passes. Stop using a stat that is literally not listed when you look up their passing stats.

LOL@U. So now because a stat that directly applies is inconvenient to you man crush/idol worship it has to be "official". You can go to cfbstats. They provide attempts, completions, and yardage. So yeah... it is a stat that is "literally listed"... if you can do a little simple math.

JG ran the full offense by his third start. He was more effective and threw deeper passes than QD. Stop making up stuff. Also if Dormady played so many prevent defenses that should bump up his ypa. They were conceding passes that were 10-15 yards if they were in a prevent. Not helping your case pointing out all the freebies he got and still having abysmal accuracy and ypa.

Haven't made anything up. And no. JG didn't run the full offense at any point. They limited his reads largely because he didn't read D's well. Hopefully he puts in the work and that changes. But you REALLY need to learn to accept reality. The guy is very talented but has a LONG way to go as a leader and a skilled QB.

Butch went with the "safe" choice in the upperclassman. JG learned the offense and took the job from QD then played better than QD did in the same offense while missing several players availabile to QD.

Nope. By ALL accounts including players... QD won the job by beating JG out. Jones was DYING to start JG but he didn't win the job.

And... QD isn't on this team. Chryst is on this team. And unless JG improves his mental preparation and matures as a person... he'll get beaten out again. FWIW, Chryst is more talented than Dormady.

 

[k-town_king]

And this is why no one can have a reasonable conversation with you. He was recruited by Jones. Not Pruitt. That's the whole point. You don't need to use your imagination to expand it into a personal affront to YOU.

If some of the commitments coming straight out of the blue tell us anything... it is that we don't know whether KC was the "first" qb he went after or not. We do know he is a big, strong armed QB with starting experience and success in a P5 conference... who knows Helton's system.

Yards per completion and yards per attempt are not the same thing but used in comparison to each other they CAN tell you how much a QB goes downfield. Yards per completion is just that.... how long your average completed pass is. JG's is less.


LOL@U. So now because a stat that directly applies is inconvenient to you man crush/idol worship it has to be "official". You can go to cfbstats. They provide attempts, completions, and yardage. So yeah... it is a stat that is "literally listed"... if you can do a little simple math.

Haven't made anything up. And no. JG didn't run the full offense at any point. They limited his reads largely because he didn't read D's well. Hopefully he puts in the work and that changes. But you REALLY need to learn to accept reality. The guy is very talented but has a LONG way to go as a leader and a skilled QB.

Nope. By ALL accounts including players... QD won the job by beating JG out. Jones was DYING to start JG but he didn't win the job.

And... QD isn't on this team. Chryst is on this team. And unless JG improves his mental preparation and matures as a person... he'll get beaten out again. FWIW, Chryst is more talented than Dormady.

Why bring up who recruited them then like that tells something?

We do know he wasn't the first. We went after Gardener Minshew first. We needed bodies period.

He doesn't "know" Helton system. Helton is running an offense for the first time. McBride and JG are the only qbs who have ever actually practiced in the Helton system. They both know it better than KC.

Ypa is listed on every single stat site because that is actually relevant. You wouldn't have to "do math" if the stat was widely used or accepted as relevant.

JG ran the full offense. If he was puttting up 239 yards with a 158+ rating vs a top 21 SEC pass defense and not even running the full offense imagine what he could do if he was.

I guess he is just that good that's he can put up multiple 239 plus passing games vs SEC teams not running the full o. Something Dormady couldn't. Something Chryst could rarely do vs PAC12 defenses. Once in three years vs PAC12 teams. . JG twice as a freshman.

 

[Russdaddy2027]

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[ssukonic]

I think what might be really interesting re: Shrout is the new redshirt rule....that he COULD play in up to 4 games and still redshirt. Not sure he'll get the chance to play in 4 games though unless we're way up or way down. I hope they really use that redshirt rule to our advantage.

 

[SoddyAllVol]

Yes, there’s gonna be one.
Uh, can we at least START practice first?

Thank you Verne for that amazing take, and no we can’t wait till practice starts.

 

[tennesseeduke]

JG has "arm talent", a 60%+ completion percentage, and a 2:1 TD/INT ratio with 4 total TD's...but arm talent..he got it..

Yes but the one with pocket presence is going to always get the job!

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

How does it go without saying KC is more the type of guy? What type is that? JG is more accurate and throws down the field more. KC scrambles more. It seems JG is more his type.
So what does that mean?

The big name qbs are 2020 anyway.

Look I don't know if you can just say that KC/JG throw a certain way. Both guys played in different schemes. That arguement doesn't really matter right now. Because now both quarterbacks are in the same scheme.

What has been said is that both of them have been doing good in 7 v 7. Which means they both at least get the jist of our offense.

That being said everything changes when pads get put on and this fall camp will show quickly which one will be the starter. The coaches can tell who makes reads faster, who gets the ball put faster, and who has the best accuracy/ball security.

It will be a quick QB battle. Be it KC/JG/WM/JS that gets the nod. The coaches will know first week of pads who their QB is.

 

[tennesseeduke]

Playing a freshman QB in the SEC is not a recipe for success

You do realize a Freshman won the SEC championship the past 2 years correct and in the NC game? Stupid statement bro!

 

[Catbone]

Worked pretty well for Fromm

Fromm had an all world RB stable and great OL to help

 

[dougvolfan]

I think what might be really interesting re: Shrout is the new redshirt rule....that he COULD play in up to 4 games and still redshirt. Not sure he'll get the chance to play in 4 games though unless we're way up or way down. I hope they really use that redshirt rule to our advantage.

That would be awesome for his future if we could put him in up to 4 games. I wasn’t aware of that new rule.

 

[Pruitt Will Do It]

Fromm had an all world RB stable and great OL to help

So did Jacob Eason in 2016

 

[k-town_king]

Look I don't know if you can just say that KC/JG throw a certain way. Both guys played in different schemes. That arguement doesn't really matter right now. Because now both quarterbacks are in the same scheme.

What has been said is that both of them have been doing good in 7 v 7. Which means they both at least get the jist of our offense.

That being said everything changes when pads get put on and this fall camp will show quickly which one will be the starter. The coaches can tell who makes reads faster, who gets the ball put faster, and who has the best accuracy/ball security.

It will be a quick QB battle. Be it KC/JG/WM/JS that gets the nod. The coaches will know first week of pads who their QB is.

I agree with everything you said. It was more directed at SJT saying KC was the type of guy Helton wants but not JG when he is more of a scrambler than JG. Plus in their careers so far JG has been more accurate and thrown more deep passes. That is what Helton is said to be looking for.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I agree with everything you said. It was more directed at SJT saying KC was the type of guy Helton wants but not JG when he is more of a scrambler than JG. Plus in their careers so far JG has been more accurate and thrown more deep passes. That is what Helton is said to be looking for.

Lol is it bad that I hope our QB never has to scramble? Unless he just sees a wide open gap and takes it?

 

[butchna]

I agree with everything you said. It was more directed at SJT saying KC was the type of guy Helton wants but not JG when he is more of a scrambler than JG. Plus in their careers so far JG has been more accurate and thrown more deep passes. That is what Helton is said to be looking for.

Just remember the last couple of seasons you praised JG’s wheels...when you considered that a vital part of Butch’s offense. Kinda adjustable lil booger, huh?