Putting a lost season in perspective.

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JPL said:
QuickSmurf said:
Just a great coach who knows how to win but thanks for the offer :)
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#32
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JPL said:
dimera23 said:
No one, including me (and I'm something of a Pollyanna), can deny anything negative you guys are saying about this season. 2016 has been a failure by any reasonable measure. We did not meet our expectations this season.

Just don't lose perspective...

I believe them to be sincere and agree with you that we have come a long way.

I just don't think you recover from this as a head coach, it really is that bad. Just look where Vandy has ranked the last 3 years in recruiting vs the VOLS. Even if you ignore the USCjr loss for a moment, the Vandy loss in and of itself is a fire able offense as it's unforgivable because it should not be allowed to happen. Butch simply cannot coach when the stakes are high and doesn't seem to be able to motivate his team when needed most.

Please consider this:

The Sugar Bowl payout is approximately $18 million; most bowls now considering the Vols pay about $2 million.

All things considered last night's loss was the worst and most expensive in Butch Jones career. I can no longer support him in any way. Just will not do it.

Peace to you. Sad, very sad time for VOL football.
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I get it. I really do. We had HUGE opportunities this season to propel our program forward by leaps and bounds. We blew every one of them.

That's a reality.

It's also a reality that we're still moving forward. We're still improving. We working toward our goals. It's just going to take us a little longer to achieve them.

We'll know who Butch Jones is as a coach by how he responds to this season's failures. If he doesn't take stock and make adjustments, if he repeats the same mistakes and the same patterns and we get the same results next year... He's not our guy. If he gets back up, learns from what went wrong and makes a better effort next year... He might just be.

I'm not giving up on Tennessee.
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#33
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fade route said:
2-2 against Vandy and 0-for against Muschamp is all the perspective I need. Butch is not the guy.
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Be fair, Butch is 3-2 against Vandy. Not much better, but it's a more complete picture of his coaching, if that's what you're critiquing.

He's 1-1 against Franklin, and 2-1 against Mason.

He is also 0-3 against Muschamp's more talented Florida teams, and 0-1 against Muschamp's less talented SCAR team.

He's also 3-0 against Spurrier (name another UT coach that can say that). Totalling 3-1 against SCAR.

1-1 against Swamp Donkey (who just "doesn't lose to UT).

2-2 against UGA.

4-0 against mighty Kentucky (fans hyperventilate every year about their massive perceived improvement).

To look at it another way: against active coaches in the east, Butch is 100% against Kentucky, Mizzou, and UGA. He's 66% against Vandy, 50% against Florida, and 0% against SCAR. So, while all of those fan bases seem to be piling on to our situation, there is no team in the east besides SCAR with a coach with a winning record against Jones. And, if SCAR fans run their mouth just remind them that our terrible joke of a coach is 3-1 against their cocks. Let all that sink in.

Against those teams in total, Butch is 100% v Kentucky, 75% v. SCAR, 50% v UGA, Mizzou and Vandy, AND 25% v. Florida. Consider also that Butch ended multiple year losing streaks against SCAR, UGA, Missouri, and Florida (none of which he started)- you could argue that he inherited a losing streak against Vandy too.
 
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daj2576 said:
Be fair, Butch is 3-2 against Vandy. Not much better, but it's a more complete picture of his coaching, if that's what you're critiquing.

He's 1-1 against Franklin, and 2-1 against Mason.

He is also 0-3 against Muschamp's more talented Florida teams, and 0-1 against Muschamp's less talented SCAR team.

He's also 3-0 against Spurrier (name another UT coach that can say that). Totalling 3-1 against SCAR.

1-1 against Swamp Donkey (who just "doesn't lose to UT).

2-2 against UGA.

4-0 against mighty Kentucky (fans hyperventilate every year about their massive perceived improvement).

To look at it another way: against active coaches in the east, Butch is 100% against Kentucky, Mizzou, and UGA. He's 66% against Vandy, 50% against Florida, and 0% against SCAR. So, while all of those fan bases seem to be piling on to our situation, there is no team in the east besides SCAR with a coach with a winning record against Jones. Let that sink in.

Against those teams in total, Butch is 100% v Kentucky, 75% v. SCAR, 50% v UGA, Mizzou and Vandy, AND 25% v. Florida. Consider also that Butch ended multiple year losing streaks against SCAR, UGA, Missouri, and Florida (none of which he started)- you could argue that he inherited a losing streak against Vandy too.
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How is he 3-2 against Vandy in his fourth season.
 
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volfannbama said:
How is he 3-2 against Vandy in his fourth season.
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If youre critiquing his coaching, he beat Franklin's Vandy while at Cincy, if memory serves. I believe that Vandy team destroyed Dooley, but it's been a few years.
 
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daj2576 said:
If youre critiquing his coaching, he beat Franklin's Vandy while at Cincy, if memory serves. I believe that Vandy team destroyed Dooley, but it's been a few years.
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No I was asking. But it does make me feel better knowning he beat vandy while at Cincy.








It doesn't.
 
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I just keep running this statistic through my head...

2-2 vs Vandebilt. I've seen all I need to see.

"What should be done eventually must be done immediately ."
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I just keep running this statistic through my head...

2-2 vs Vandebilt. I've seen all I need to see.

"What should be done eventually must be done immediately ."
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Would you buy a puppy and immediately put it down?

Or hire someone and before they can begin work immediately give them the option of resigning, getting fired, or retiring?
 
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golfballs said:
It's the reason he won't be fired. We've taken steps forward in each of his first three years, but a step back this year.

Set backs happen, but he'll need to pull a rabbit out of a hat next year to prove he's up for the job
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50 games and a lot of underachievement is all I need to see to know he's not up for the job. Don't need another year which will likely see us 6-6 or 7-5 and take another step back to know he's not the guy.
 
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daj2576 said:
Would you buy a puppy and immediately put it down?

Or hire someone and before they can begin work immediately give them the option of resigning, getting fired, or retiring?
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After 4 years I wouldn't polish a puppy turd or praise a leaking roof.
 
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daj2576 said:
If youre critiquing his coaching, he beat Franklin's Vandy while at Cincy, if memory serves. I believe that Vandy team destroyed Dooley, but it's been a few years.
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Eh. What he did or didn't do there holds no relevance at this point. Hes no longer a possible coach here but 4 years in.
 
#49
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daj2576 said:
Well, then what are the options?
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Hire a coach that has proven to field fundamentally sound teams.

What are my options? Nothing, I have zero insider influence and am not a season ticket holder due to distance.
So next season ill spend around 2500 bringing my family of four to a game or two like I do and will cheer on the vols like ive done since I was old enough to play football.
Im not a know it all arm chair qb and if you follow me on here, you would know I've been a long supporter of CBJ. But I know a poorly coached team when I see one. And when I watch tennessee play, I see a poorly coached team. I also know our coach has made our team the laighing stock of football, on and off the field.
 
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People like OP are the problem. I don't know how many embarrassing losses to less talented teams it's gonna take before some people realize that Butch is never gonna take UT anywhere close to the top. If he couldn't do it this year, he can't do it most any other year.
 
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