Put Up Or Shut Up Time For UTAD and Fans

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#51
I think if Hart hires an up-and-comer (which is likely to happen) this whole faction in the fanbase doesn't go away. I'm sure Hart realizes this. I think he's a very smart person, and I'm sure this really puts him in a tough position. I was highly critical of Martin and I think that was earned, but I didn't know if he should be fired or not. I'm just not that knowledgable about basketball to make that judgement. Clearly, the only way around this is to hire someone with a proven record.
Also, I don't buy into very good coaching candidates avoiding a school because of writers criticising a school's fanbase even if it's warranted; I think good coaches are confident in their abilities and believe they can be successful. I don't think for one minute a good coach goes into a job thinking, "I wonder if I'll have a job at the end of the year." Anyhow, if I remember correctly there was a fanbase (football) with overly high expectations in the mid-south that seemed to find a coach and do well in spite of all of it. But in a nutshell, money talks. :crazy:
 
#53
#53
If I'm not mistaken, as a member of the SEC, UT takes a share of the bowl revenue whether The Vols play in a bowl or not. Football first; it makes no sense to pay more for a basketball coach than for football.
 
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Tux said:
It is now put up or shut up time. We will see how devoted Dave GHart and many of our fans are in being a major basketball power.

There are some big name and very good coaches, that could be had….if the money is right.

UT will have spend big $$$ to get one of the top coaches who could take Tennessee basketball to prominence in the college basketball world. Is UT willing to spend the money to get that kind of coach?

Is UT willing to pay it's new basketball coach more than it pays Butch Jones, it's football coach? It is going to take that in order to get a top coach and it is worth it if you want a top basketball program going to the sweet sixteen and higher most years.

Let's see how badly our fans and the UTAD want to be a great basketball program. Who they hire will say a lot about how basketball is really looked upon in the UTAD office.

Hire a mid-major up and comer, we know that the UTAD is not serious about our pram being a top program.
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here's the facts if we didn't spend big for a Football coach, we're not spending big for a BB coach
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
I grew up in the 1970s. You better believe we need strong basketball when the football program can't sort itself out.

We haven't been great in basketball these last three years. But we have been competitive in the conference and have experienced post-season success in hoops.

In football, we've spent more time getting curb-stomped than competing. And in our one bowl game we lost to the team our old AD and football coach ran and hid from.

When you decide North Carolina is too difficult for you to play as an OOC matchup, it serves as an indicator of just how bad you are in football.

We haven't felt a similar need to run and hide in basketball. Indeed, programs (hello Tiger High) run from us.
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I completely agree with you there. I was supporting my Vols all postseason. I do like to hit a hornet's nest from time to time. That's why I made my original statement.

We have been much better on the court recently. However we fans do pay to see results like we finally got this season but it was too late.

I am holding out in hopes that Hart didn't just stumble onto Butch. I hope he makes a similar or better hire here that rejuvenates this fanbase. I also hope said hire makes the tourney at least half the time.
 
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Tux said:
The bottom line is that all of the fans who signed the petition should encourage Dave Hart to pay whatever it takes to attract a top name like Marshall, Smart, Hoiberg, etc.., even if the salary is more than Butch Jones's salary.

It is time to get over "the football coach has to earn more than the basketball coach" train of thought. Florida does not screw around in paying Billy Donovan, why should we screw around in paying our next hire.

If the petition signers can't behind this, then they need to shut their pie holes, because their actions and words mean nothing and are nothing but hypocrisy.
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I hope they can hire the top coach in the world and pay him whatever he asks. I don't expect it.
 
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Then the petition signers should shut their pie holes if they can't support it.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
Can't win championships if you don't spend money. Also if we don't spend money that top 10 attendance is going to go down. Their is no point in going to games if the administration is not committed to winning in basketball. I understand football is the money maker but in the past 10 years we've done more in Bball than football and that's just fact.
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Let's just pretend we are the UT Admin and could attract a, let's say, coach K. What's the return on investment there? We are probably going to have to offer a contract that's astronomical; something that would take 5+ to recoup on basketball revenue alone. What happens when coach has a down year and attendance drops? Sure it would be unicorns and rainbows in the beginning, but what happens when TN doesn't become a mirror image of the coaches previous successes? That's the risk/reward that has to be weighed in these hires.
 
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Up and comer coming... In other words somebody nobody's heard of... Little money... Little coach. Think Martin and Jones, not Calipari and Saban, it's the Tennessee way!! GBO!!:clapping:
 
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Tux said:
College Basketball's Most Profitable Programs 2014

15. Tennessee Volunteers
Team value: $14.1 million
One-year change: -9%
Profit: $8.5 million
Conference: SEC
Head coach: Cuonzo Martin

……….and we can't afford to pay the money to get a top coach?
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i noticed you didnt post our athletics budget....

how is your credit? "well, im 3rd highest paid on the food line at burger king, salary is down a mere 9% from last year, and profit based versus what i spend at burger king is through the roof!"
 
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Tux said:
Basketball has been outperforming and out earning football at UT for the past 8-9 years.
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Do yourself a favor and delete this post before anybody else reads it. Better to remain silent and have people think.....

If you want to see some real data, as opposeto scratching your backside, that shows how football compares economically to basketball across the country, see:

» Which Football and Basketball Programs Produce the Largest Profits?

UT football makes around $40 million in profit for the university. UT basketball does not even make the attached list.

Now, that doesn't mean we shouldn't field a strong team, but don't spout off about "out earning" when yo don't know what you are talkng about.
 
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vol_in_ar said:
ok, if you really believe that
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Jones is the 25th ranked coach in the country and 7th in the SEC in terms of pay at $3.2 mil per year.
I'd say that's pretty substantial. I think it shows considerable investment in the HC position for TN football...
All but about 5 coaches in front of BJ have been to at least one BCS bowl...

Salaries & Contracts
 
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utvolz98 said:
Let's just pretend we are the UT Admin and could attract a, let's say, coach K. What's the return on investment there? We are probably going to have to offer a contract that's astronomical; something that would take 5+ to recoup on basketball revenue alone. What happens when coach has a down year and attendance drops? Sure it would be unicorns and rainbows in the beginning, but what happens when TN doesn't become a mirror image of the coaches previous successes? That's the risk/reward that has to be weighed in these hires.
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Lol I don't think we can get coach K or Phil Jackson. I'm not retarted all I want is for us to offer Greg Marshall a Top 3 salary in the SEC or Archie Miller.
 
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utvolz98 said:
Unless football as we know it dies, basketball will never be equal to football at UT. No way in hell they pay a basketball coach more than the football coach. Should they? It all comes down to business and football, like it or not, pays the vast majority of the bills.
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I wish football as we've known it would die.
 
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utvolz98 said:
Let's just pretend we are the UT Admin and could attract a, let's say, coach K. What's the return on investment there? We are probably going to have to offer a contract that's astronomical; something that would take 5+ to recoup on basketball revenue alone. What happens when coach has a down year and attendance drops? Sure it would be unicorns and rainbows in the beginning, but what happens when TN doesn't become a mirror image of the coaches previous successes? That's the risk/reward that has to be weighed in these hires.
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Believe me attendance ain't dropping if we hire Greg Marshall or Archie miller. I mean we had a top 10 attendance all three years of martins tenure and that's Cuonzo ****ing Martin
 
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