Put Coleman Thomas at Center

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He's got good size and strength. I'm pretty sure he played center in high school so hes snapped before. And in the long run he doesn't seem to have the quickness to play tackle.

I'm sure it'll be a competition between him and Wiesman for the starting job and they may even split time if neither is the clear starter.

I'm really worried about our OL depth now though, if we lose another player or 2 we're screwed.
 
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Hmm, actually makes sense. The upside is he has help on both sides so he won't get beat around the edge by a speed rush guy like he did at OT. The downside is the C usually calls all the protections on the line, might be a lot for a Freshman.
 
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Coleman has not played in the past several games because of an injury, so will not be the immediate solution at center. Not sure exactly what or how bad the injury is..
 
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17Vols said:
Hmm, actually makes sense. The upside is he has help on both sides so he won't get beat around the edge by a speed rush guy like he did at OT. The downside is the C usually calls all the protections on the line, might be a lot for a Freshman.
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He can't be any worse than Crowder at calling OL adjustments. I've been saying this all year, but the worst idea Mahoney ever had was moving Thomas to RT. I understand that a C in high school can play T in college, but that'd be best suited for a team that already had a few established C on their roster. We don't have a long term solution at C. I like Weisman, but he can't stay healthy. Thomas played C in high school. He knows the position, and he'd be a long term solution at C. What'd be great is if Blair/Kendrick/Kerbs/Jones could lock down the T positions next year, and Thomas could move to C and redshirt. Weisman/Crowder could play C for us next year, and then in 2016 it'd be a battle between Thomas/Weisman/Ray for the starting spot.
 
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vol72 said:
Coleman has not played in the past several games because of an injury, so will not be the immediate solution at center. Not sure exactly what or how bad the injury is..
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I think he's been clear to play. But a guy with twice the heart, and half the ACLs beat him out for RT.
 
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vol72 said:
Coleman has not played in the past several games because of an injury, so will not be the immediate solution at center. Not sure exactly what or how bad the injury is..
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He played quite a few snaps last week in garbage time. I suspect he is back but since Gillam is a Greek God, he may not be needed at this time.
 
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Coleman couldn't guard a box of hot Krispy Kremes....... He is clumsy and slow.

If he plays center he will get biatch slapped on every snap and we will have fumbled exchanges with the QB.
 
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Respectfully disagree with putting Coleman at center right now. I think you put in your second string center Wiesman in....you go with the guy who has been practicing at that position all year, who's much more likely to understand the calls, communication and protections than a true freshman tackle just coming off an injury. At this point, I wouldn't even make Coleman the backup center, it'd be Marcus Jackson who has also gotten snaps in practice at center. We could more easily slide someone else in to replace him at guard.....the center position is just too important to not put someone in who has good command of the offensive calls and protections imo.
 
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Volman1993 said:
Coleman couldn't guard a box of hot Krispy Kremes....... He is clumsy and slow.

If he plays center he will get biatch slapped on every snap and we will have fumbled exchanges with the QB.
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Seriously? Kid is a freshman who played small time ball in Virginia. Ease up there hoss.
 
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keckjm said:
He can't be any worse than Crowder at calling OL adjustments. I've been saying this all year, but the worst idea Mahoney ever had was moving Thomas to RT. I understand that a C in high school can play T in college, but that'd be best suited for a team that already had a few established C on their roster. We don't have a long term solution at C. I like Weisman, but he can't stay healthy. Thomas played C in high school. He knows the position, and he'd be a long term solution at C. What'd be great is if Blair/Kendrick/Kerbs/Jones could lock down the T positions next year, and Thomas could move to C and redshirt. Weisman/Crowder could play C for us next year, and then in 2016 it'd be a battle between Thomas/Weisman/Ray for the starting spot.
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How do you know this? Are you just bumping your gums?
 
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volroadwarrior said:
How do you know this? Are you just bumping your gums?
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Because I understand football. Dobbs is our offense. At some point people will begin to understand this. Crowder is average at best. Worley was average at best. It's those two guys jobs to pick up blitz schemes. When OK ran the same blitz over and over with great results I knew we were screwed. It's not on Thomas for Worley getting wrecked over and over. Crowder and Worley couldn't adjust at the line. Worley would hold the ball to long. Crowder couldn't adjust the line. Did I mention Crowder couldn't proplery adjust the line? We had times in man blocking that two guys would block the same guy on a pass play and allow a LB to rush right up the B gap unblocked. CBs right off the C gap, results being sack after sack. Dobbs not only masks our OL problems with his legs, he's also smart enough to read defenses. That's why he's been sacked 3-4 times the last three games. He doesn't make the same mistake over and over again.
 
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keckjm said:
Because I understand football. Dobbs is our offense. At some point people will begin to understand this. Crowder is average at best. Worley was average at best. It's those two guys jobs to pick up blitz schemes. When OK ran the same blitz over and over with great results I knew we were screwed. It's not on Thomas for Worley getting wrecked over and over. Crowder and Worley couldn't adjust at the line. Worley would hold the ball to long. Crowder couldn't adjust the line. Did I mention Crowder couldn't proplery adjust the line? We had times in man blocking that two guys would block the same guy on a pass play and allow a LB to rush right up the B gap unblocked. CBs right off the C gap, results being sack after sack. Dobbs not only masks our OL problems with his legs, he's also smart enough to read defenses. That's why he's been sacked 3-4 times the last three games. He doesn't make the same mistake over and over again.
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I don't think they're letting him make checks at the line like they did last year and like Worley did when he was starting. I don't recall him doing it once this year. So I could be wrong, but I think the protection is called in from the sideline at this time.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
I don't think they're letting him make checks at the line like they did last year and like Worley did when he was starting. I don't recall him doing it once this year. So I could be wrong, but I think the protection is called in from the sideline at this time.
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You are correct. That's not what I meant by reading defense. Worley simply could never pick up on the fact that a team would do the same thing to him over and over because he never could adjust. Dobbs does adjust. He's smart enough to look at things and say oh I see a pattern here. The protection has been called from the sidelines for awhile now. Further proving the point that Crowder nor Worley could get it done on their own. Dobbs is going to be really good next year. The more he plays, the more room he will be given to make adjustments as he sees fit. He already sees the field better than Worley. He doesn't sit back in the pocket when teams full on blitz to get sacked every play.
 
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keckjm said:
... calling OL adjustments. I've been saying this all year ...
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Lol. You're hilarious. I played ball and how on earth do you have the ability to KNOW what is being called on the OL adjustments from your cushy couch? LOL telepathic? Got a MIC secretly implanted in the QB's helmet. Come on Dude, you're losing credibility.
 
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volfan10735 said:
Lol. You're hilarious. I played ball and how on earth do you have the ability to KNOW what is being called on the OL adjustments from your cushy couch? LOL telepathic? Got a MIC secretly implanted in the QB's helmet. Come on Dude, you're losing credibility.
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Well if you could read it's been established that he's no longer calling out reads. I also don't need to be telepathic. I have a set of eyes. Now, I dont know where you played ball, but where I've seen ball played the C calls all line adjustments and the QB has the ability to overrule him. That's how it works. Now, have you seen our o-line blocking? There was no adjustments. I know people like to scapegoat Thomas, etc, but facts are, a lot of those sacks are on our C and QB. Your OC can't do it all for you. Dobbs is a cerebral football player. One day you former ball players will understand what's actually going on here. I'm not even trying to be a d@@@, but I swear some of you think because you've played ball before you know none of us could possibly know what's going on during the game. It doesn't take a genius to see that Crowder and Worley have no true understanding of defensive coverages, beacuse if they did they would have adjusted to the situations at hand. At some point as a QB and C you have to improvise. Your OC can only do so much, but at the end of the day the QB and C are the ones with the first person views. If I'm Crowder I'm telling Worley hey man how about you get rid of the ball, or hey man how about you help me call out these line assignments. Problem is neither one could call out assignments consistently. How many times did Stricker have to blitz the B and C gap for them to know on 3rd and long he was blitzing. How many CB blitzes does it take to realize oh hey there CB is blitzing from the right side all the time I should get rid of the ball. It's not hard to figure out, but when Stricker comes up on the line with 3 seconds on the play clock your OC wont have time to make adjustments. That's on your QB and C.
 
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keckjm said:
Well if you could read it's been established that he's no longer calling out reads. I also don't need to be telepathic. I have a set of eyes. Now, I dont know where you played ball, but where I've seen ball played the C calls all line adjustments and the QB has the ability to overrule him. That's how it works. Now, have you seen our o-line blocking? There was no adjustments. I know people like to scapegoat Thomas, etc, but facts are, a lot of those sacks are on our C and QB. Your OC can't do it all for you. Dobbs is a cerebral football player. One day you former ball players will understand what's actually going on here. I'm not even trying to be a d@@@, but I swear some of you think because you've played ball before you know none of us could possibly know what's going on during the game. It doesn't take a genius to see that Crowder and Worley have no true understanding of defensive coverages, beacuse if they did they would have adjusted to the situations at hand. At some point as a QB and C you have to improvise. Your OC can only do so much, but at the end of the day the QB and C are the ones with the first person views. If I'm Crowder I'm telling Worley hey man how about you get rid of the ball, or hey man how about you help me call out these line assignments. Problem is neither one could call out assignments consistently. How man times did Stricker have to blitz the B and C gap for them to know on 3rd and long he's was blitzing. How man CB blitzes does it take to realize oh hey there CB is blitzing from the right side all the time I should get rid of the ball. It's not hard to figure out, but when Stricker comes up on the line with 3 seconds on the play clock your OC wont have time to make adjustments. That's on your QB and C.
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It's been said before. ..
You can keep your mouth shut and people might think you're a fool but you can open your mouth and you remove all doubt.
 
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SteelerVol said:
It's been said before. ..
You can keep your mouth shut and people might think you're a fool but you can open your mouth and you remove all doubt.
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Well, 90% of VolNation must be fools, because I've seen all season people begging for a change at C. I mean I guess Crowder just figured it out when Dobbs came in. I mean Dobbs couldn't possibly be smarter than Worley or Crowder and be able to improvise on the fly a little better. I'm wrong you guys are right. I'm sorry. Forgive me. Crowder is a boss play caller. It's not his or Worley's fault. Bad stuff happens and it's no ones fault.
 
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Volman1993 said:
Coleman couldn't guard a box of hot Krispy Kremes....... He is clumsy and slow.

If he plays center he will get biatch slapped on every snap and we will have fumbled exchanges with the QB.
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Does not have to worry about he speed rush at Center. Question is whether is can handle the force of a DT. He is was recruited as a center.. So this might be his spot anyway. On that note Weismann will start
 
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Biopsyman said:
Does not have to worry about he speed rush at Center. Question is whether is can handle the force of a DT. He is was recruited as a center.. So this might be his spot anyway. On that note Weismann will start
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Weisman, as long as he's healthy, will vastly improve our run offense. He has a solid 20 pounds on Crowder, and he's a better OL. He just can't stay healthy. Weisman will shock a lot of people if healthy, and in turn, some of these experts on this thread might actually see I'm not full of s@@@. I fully expect to see Weisman boss out if healthy. With Dobbs behind C, and Weisman at C, our running game should be ready to roll.
 
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keckjm said:
Weisman, as long as he's healthy, will vastly improve our run offense. He has a solid 20 pounds on Crowder, and he's a better OL. He just can't stay healthy. Weisman will shock a lot of people if healthy, and in turn, some of these experts on this thread might actually see I'm not full of s@@@. I fully expect to see Weisman boss out if healthy. With Dobbs behind C, and Weisman at C, our running game should be ready to roll.
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just a Crowder-hater???
 
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dd4vols said:
just a Crowder-hater???
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I'm not a Crowder hater. I support whatever we put on the field, but I'm telling you guys that Crowder is an average C at best. I'm also not the only one that feels this way on this board, but I honestly just don't care to state my opinion and take heat from whoever. Crowder can't get any push in the run game. Weisman will ball out if he's healthy. Our coaches really like him. Just watch the next two games. Weisman is good.

For the record, what I think doesn't matter. Facts are, you better get use to Weisman because Crowder's injury was in no way a good one. I know the kid is supposed to be really smart, but I also see an OL he's the leader of struggle to adjust during games. They do the same stupid things over and over again. Missing blocks, etc. Our OL has struggled all year at getting a great push up the middle. We struggle adjusting to blitz schemes, and we do the same stupid things over and over. Worley didn't help the situation, but some of you on here act like guys aren't allowed to be judged. Dobbs has saved our as@@@ this year. I was fully expecting a 5-7 season at best. Dobbs has helped us in so many ways, and he's making our OL look 100x better the what it really is.
 
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