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#101

I agree with you, we are running same offensive schemes that most other teams run, that is my exact point. If a team you are playing has more talent than you do, then you have to out scheme them to be in the game. More mis direction plays, wildcat plays, reverses, More option plays, even throw in wishbone plays, if qb one isn't getting the job done, change it up. For example we had trouble with Ga. state, they found something that was working and stuck with it, their qb gashed us, option plays. We had more talent than they did but they outcoached us and outplayed us. I don't have all the answers but when you line up against a team that you know has more talent than you do and you run the same offensive scheme that they do, you are going to lose. Of course ala. has changed off. schemes from what they used to be, they pass more more now. When and if we get a real good qb, let him pass the ball a lot. I have noticed ala. for example has trouble with a mobile qb.
 
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majic73 said:
I can't speak to absolute fact , this is strictly my personal observation. This is not an endorsement of CJP or an excuse , because again I can't verify this as fact only an educated guess based on observation. There seems to be a stubborn , dogmatic system building mentality without concern for results. He has modeled the program , the quality control , and the very talented staff on the Bama model . He models his recruiting a player selection on this model as well . He comes in and installs a 34 defense with a hodge podge of defenders that were not very good in a 43. He installs a pro style read and react multi level offense that is QB dependent when the only QB he has is a kid that got the last staff fired. Both the offense and the defense require very specific player types....of which we simply do not have. If you recall the Sal 34 we attempted to install during the Dooley years. This transition is even more disastrous when you are short on talent and depth across the front and youth at linebacker. You can't run this offense without an accomplished playcaller ...not necessarily an athletic QB , but a guy that recognizes fronts and protections.

With Pruitts experience and exposure to top shelf programs and the recruiting abilities he shown , he knows exactly what he has and does not have on his roster. His staff is a collection of talent and experience that would not miss the obvious personnel weaknesses. So why the refusal to play dumbed down systems that fit the talent level of the team ? I think his philosophy is recruiting and building the personnel to fit the system rather than fitting the system to the personnel. He is building an NFL organization that is manned by youth and third stringers. If this is the case and he pulls it off by getting the correct athletes in place , we will have a top tier system. If he stumbles in recruiting , then this will be an unmitigated disaster. I personally think you build a system framework and fit that to your existing squad . Maybe this team should be a 43 hybrid type with a basic run heavy play action O and then build to your desired system based on the recruiting class(s).I am not sure that CGP will be given enough rope to fill his system with appropriate players.

To sum this up , I think building the system is of greater importance than playing within the current rosters capabilities and by extension , the system is more important than winning in the mind of the staff ( CJP ) .
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This is total b.s. You are studying this far to deep with intense to the point of being debilitating wishful thinking. You are slipping out of reality. Please dude....as one vol fan to another, please seek the help of a mental health professional immediately.
 
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#103
Good post.

Inky calls this “process before outcomes”. You can’t expect consistency in results (aka wins) until the process is in place.

I also believe “culture” is as important as process. One thing I’ve noticed during interviews with this team is their focus on getting into the film room and playbook study. These represent a new and heightened focus by the players.

I expect to see improvement as the year progresses.

Go BIG ORANGE!
 
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volfannbama said:
Building a system is more important than winning.


Can't make this stuff up
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Disagreeing is understandable if you understand what it actually means. If you understand what it actually means its nowhere near "can't make this stuff up". That's dumb, but I bet you already know that.
 
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I didnt expect a meteoric rise under Pruitt but I did expect progress. I thought, you know, going from a 5-7 season to perhaps a 6-6 or 7-5 season in year two wasn't asking for the moon or anything. Losing to GA State in year two is inexcusable. Flat out inexcusable! But more than just the loss, it was how this team played. Our body language. This team was lifeless and completely devoid of energy. That's not a good sign. Bottom line, I dont think Pruitt is the guy. I really dont. Of course we'll have to continue to endure this **** show until Fulmer has no other choice but to get rid of him but I have absolutely zero confidence that Pruitt lasts.
 
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cgrish said:
I agree with you, we are running same offensive schemes that most other teams run, that is my exact point. If a team you are playing has more talent than you do, then you have to out scheme them to be in the game. More mis direction plays, wildcat plays, reverses, More option plays, even throw in wishbone plays, if qb one isn't getting the job done, change it up. For example we had trouble with Ga. state, they found something that was working and stuck with it, their qb gashed us, option plays. We had more talent than they did but they outcoached us and outplayed us. I don't have all the answers but when you line up against a team that you know has more talent than you do and you run the same offensive scheme that they do, you are going to lose. Of course ala. has changed off. schemes from what they used to be, they pass more more now. When and if we get a real good qb, let him pass the ball a lot. I have noticed ala. for example has trouble with a mobile qb.
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I agree with scheming to your talent over your system . That is the overriding point of my post ….we are running a pure pro-style offense. We are not running many elements of college-centric offenses . Yet we are running this offense with a QB that is not capable. We are running a balanced pass run offense ...even though our QB is not capable. This is how I arrive at the conclusion that the system matters more than the outcome for the this staff , this year . I agree with you on what we should be doing. However , you must conclude that CJP either over estimated his personnel or he chose willingly to go with his systems . Regardless of how he will end up as a HC ...I doubt that Pruitt lacks understanding in player skills sets and ability. He has been around the 'best' . He knows what he does not have . That's why I think he has placed structure over results. Again ...I don't agree with it personally but it seems to be what has happened
 
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TommyJoe said:
This is total b.s. You are studying this far to deep with intense to the point of being debilitating wishful thinking. You are slipping out of reality. Please dude....as one vol fan to another, please seek the help of a mental health professional immediately.
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He is not running a typical college offense . He is not running a typical college defense. I believe he understands his personnel short comings given his and his staffs experience. Logically , he would understand that the players are nowhere in the neighborhood of executing the offensive and defensive systems. He needs a QB with a high football IQ and ability pre-snap . He need 3 dominant interior D-linemen to execute his defense. Yet , he is running these systems despite not having the players.

There are only two options. He grossly overestimated his players. I doubt it considering his experience level and the people he has surrounded himself with and the AD he reports to. OR , he made a conscious decision to install his preferred systems on a team that cannot begin to execute them . There really are no other options.

This post in no way says I agreee with this philiosophy , or in no way suggests that it will be successful .
 
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majic73 said:
I agree with scheming to your talent over your system . That is the overriding point of my post ….we are running a pure pro-style offense. We are not running many elements of college-centric offenses . Yet we are running this offense with a QB that is not capable. We are running a balanced pass run offense ...even though our QB is not capable. This is how I arrive at the conclusion that the system matters more than the outcome for the this staff , this year . I agree with you on what we should be doing. However , you must conclude that CJP either over estimated his personnel or he chose willingly to go with his systems . Regardless of how he will end up as a HC ...I doubt that Pruitt lacks understanding in player skills sets and ability. He has been around the 'best' . He knows what he does not have . That's why I think he has placed structure over results. Again ...I don't agree with it personally but it seems to be what has happened
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Pruitt said he would do this. There’s no surprise.
 
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majic73 said:
He is not running a typical college offense . He is not running a typical college defense. I believe he understands his personnel short comings given his and his staffs experience. Logically , he would understand that the players are nowhere in the neighborhood of executing the offensive and defensive systems. He needs a QB with a high football IQ and ability pre-snap . He need 3 dominant interior D-linemen to execute his defense. Yet , he is running these systems despite not having the players.

There are only two options. He grossly overestimated his players. I doubt it considering his experience level and the people he has surrounded himself with and the AD he reports to. OR , he made a conscious decision to install his preferred systems on a team that cannot begin to execute them . There really are no other options.

This post in no way says I agreee with this philiosophy , or in no way suggests that it will be successful .
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majic73 said:
I can't speak to absolute fact , this is strictly my personal observation. This is not an endorsement of CJP or an excuse , because again I can't verify this as fact only an educated guess based on observation. There seems to be a stubborn , dogmatic system building mentality without concern for results. He has modeled the program , the quality control , and the very talented staff on the Bama model . He models his recruiting a player selection on this model as well . He comes in and installs a 34 defense with a hodge podge of defenders that were not very good in a 43. He installs a pro style read and react multi level offense that is QB dependent when the only QB he has is a kid that got the last staff fired. Both the offense and the defense require very specific player types....of which we simply do not have. If you recall the Sal 34 we attempted to install during the Dooley years. This transition is even more disastrous when you are short on talent and depth across the front and youth at linebacker. You can't run this offense without an accomplished playcaller ...not necessarily an athletic QB , but a guy that recognizes fronts and protections.

With Pruitts experience and exposure to top shelf programs and the recruiting abilities he shown , he knows exactly what he has and does not have on his roster. His staff is a collection of talent and experience that would not miss the obvious personnel weaknesses. So why the refusal to play dumbed down systems that fit the talent level of the team ? I think his philosophy is recruiting and building the personnel to fit the system rather than fitting the system to the personnel. He is building an NFL organization that is manned by youth and third stringers. If this is the case and he pulls it off by getting the correct athletes in place , we will have a top tier system. If he stumbles in recruiting , then this will be an unmitigated disaster. I personally think you build a system framework and fit that to your existing squad . Maybe this team should be a 43 hybrid type with a basic run heavy play action O and then build to your desired system based on the recruiting class(s).I am not sure that CGP will be given enough rope to fill his system with appropriate players.

To sum this up , I think building the system is of greater importance than playing within the current rosters capabilities and by extension , the system is more important than winning in the mind of the staff ( CJP ) .
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I agree with most of your observations except the 34 defense. We've mostly played the 4-2-5 as Pruitt mentioned at his presser today. He changes from that to 3-4 to 4-3 during the game. His defense does require a certain type of player though schematically at that's smart, fast, big LBs that can do it all. The LBs have to change roles play to play from DE to cover corners to run stoppers.

While it would be better in the short term to adapt the defensive scheme, it would hurt us long term. I think it takes at least a year or 2 for the players, especially the back 7-8 players to get it. As for the offense, Chaney is well known for adapting his offense to the players he has. The problem there is the QB position has way underperformed what they expected. It's simply a mental thing with JG and the game planning has been structured around him. Maybe we'll see some installs meant for Maurer now, it will be interesting.
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
I agree with most of your observations except the 34 defense. We've mostly played the 4-2-5 as Pruitt mentioned at his presser today. He changes from that to 3-4 to 4-3 during the game. His defense does require a certain type of player though schematically at that's smart, fast, big LBs that can do it all. The LBs have to change roles play to play from DE to cover corners to run stoppers.

While it would be better in the short term to adapt the defensive scheme, it would hurt us long term. I think it takes at least a year or 2 for the players, especially the back 7-8 players to get it. As for the offense, Chaney is well known for adapting his offense to the players he has. The problem there is the QB position has way underperformed what they expected. It's simply a mental thing with JG and the game planning has been structured around him. Maybe we'll see some installs meant for Maurer now, it will be interesting.
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Good points . I think we are lining up 4-2 quite a bit , because we have no pass rush and teams are lining up in more passing sets. We actually have decent run fits , especially early in games. I think we go with 43 fronts at times , because there is again , no pass rush. I agree completely on the time frame to establish players to execute. Especially when the defensive has had a lack of depth and talent for the better part of years. The defense will look a lot better if we can develop or recruit a pass rush and some quality depth , regardless of the formation. A 4 or 5 second pass rush ( we don't even get that sometimes ) will make any QB look great and will make LBs and the secondary look horrible. I don't see that they are game planning for JG. If they were doing that , they would be run heavy with more play action and scripted throws. He is being asked to set protections , ore -read defenses , and check down . He does not seems very good at those things, but like you said they are all mental aspects of the game. I would like to see another QB get a shot , win or lose. GA and BAMA are opportune as there are not legit expectations to win . We will see
 
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AdoptedVOL said:
Good post.

Inky calls this “process before outcomes”. You can’t expect consistency in results (aka wins) until the process is in place.

I also believe “culture” is as important as process. One thing I’ve noticed during interviews with this team is their focus on getting into the film room and playbook study. These represent a new and heightened focus by the players.

I expect to see improvement as the year progresses.

Go BIG ORANGE!
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Only if he makes a change at qb
 
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