Pruitt's players

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You guys do realize it's possible to build for the future without destroying what you have at the moment. A good coach knows he needs the better players from the previous staff, you tell them the best guy will play, and have the players push each other. If Pruitt has come in and shown favoritism or is purposefully playing a player he recruited over a better player than he is an idiot and if the team collapses and the recruiting class falls apart he will have destroyed the program to an unprecedented level.

I'm not sure I'm buying that theory, he isn't that stupid is he?
 
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Zues1 said:
Look man we've been hearing this since Fulmer was canned. Next guy needs time to get his players in place. Next guy,the current ones aren't buying into the system. Next guy, the current ones while they are 4's and 5's on paper they really aren't that good. Next guy, you cant go by the rankings, blah, blah, blah.

We have one of the best OC's in the bizz, a Heisman winning QB coach, a National Champion passing game coordinator.
It's beyond me how they can't devise an offense that can work with the current players ability to at least be competitive/ stay in the game.

We have a HC that is known as one of the best DC's in the bizz yet time after time the secondary get's touched and the LB's are running around like the clown car at the circus.

Again the team should at least look like they have played a game or two in their lifetimes.

I see one common denominator, the leader of the pack.

You have to hire the right guy to get the job done, apparently the powers that be have no idea how to do that.
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This is where you have to get outside your little mind and think before you type! You are not in the meeting rooms, you are not in practice, you do not know what they come up with as far as an offense, defense, or schemes that can work with the current players ability?

What kind of offense would you like for them to run given the way JG has played this year? He had time to throw this year so it is not on the Oline. He had time during the FL game and missed WIDE OPEN receivers by 10 to 15 yards. How is that the OC's fault? Do you think the plan was for him to miss wood-anderson by 15 yards on the wrong side of his body?

How is it the coaches fault when Warrior gets toasted every other play? Do you think they have not devised a scheme where he covers those guys running open down the field? How many 15 yard penalties did we get? Was the late hit in the middle of the field Tee Martin's fault? NO it is on the players. They are told to play with discipline, they are taught how not to react to things like that, they either dont listen or cant control their actions. None of that is on the coaches.

maybe, just maybe, if you would open your mind to the idea that the coaches are doing their jobs, the players are not. If the coaches said during a press conference, and it has happened lately, that the players are not playing to their ability, you would blow a gasket for the coaches rolling players under the bus. "CJP dont have the players back" is all we would hear. Remember it has happened lately so we already know how that story plays out. So now our coaches dont do that and you assume they are incompetent and lack the ability to game plan around ability. Typical though...sit on the fence so you can say "i told ya" no matter the outcome.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
This is where you have to get outside your little mind and think before you type! You are not in the meeting rooms, you are not in practice, you do not know what they come up with as far as an offense, defense, or schemes that can work with the current players ability?

What kind of offense would you like for them to run given the way JG has played this year? He had time to throw this year so it is not on the Oline. He had time during the FL game and missed WIDE OPEN receivers by 10 to 15 yards. How is that the OC's fault? Do you think the plan was for him to miss wood-anderson by 15 yards on the wrong side of his body?

How is it the coaches fault when Warrior gets toasted every other play? Do you think they have not devised a scheme where he covers those guys running open down the field? How many 15 yard penalties did we get? Was the late hit in the middle of the field Tee Martin's fault? NO it is on the players. They are told to play with discipline, they are taught how not to react to things like that, they either dont listen or cant control their actions. None of that is on the coaches.

maybe, just maybe, if you would open your mind to the idea that the coaches are doing their jobs, the players are not. If the coaches said during a press conference, and it has happened lately, that the players are not playing to their ability, you would blow a gasket for the coaches rolling players under the bus. "CJP dont have the players back" is all we would hear. Remember it has happened lately so we already know how that story plays out. So now our coaches dont do that and you assume they are incompetent and lack the ability to game plan around ability. Typical though...sit on the fence so you can say "i told ya" no matter the outcome.
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Hey, I got your mind right here! The program is a freaking train wreck.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Preach it.
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Offense starts with the QB, so what kind of QB do we have? honestly answer that question and you will know what kind of offense we run.

just in case you are unable to honestly answer, we have a very limited QB, who lacks knowledge and ability to move the ball down the field with accurate correct throws. We have a QB who is unable to change the offense out of a bad play at the line of scrimmage. We have a QB who is not the leader of the offense and therefore we have an offense that displays those same limitations.
 
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YorkVol said:
It shouldn't matter. A coach should be able to coach up anyone to meet their system.

The real question is what kind of offense do we run?
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One with a QB that cannot throw the ball to our team. It’s a very innovative approach.
 
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Zues1 said:
Hey, I got your little mind right here! The program is a freaking train wreck.
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Now this is a hard one, gotta really think here.

When do you think that train wreck started? How long ago? Do you think it might have been possible when Fulmer stopped recruiting at a high level, when he stopped coaching at a high level, when he should have stepped down after the 2001 season but didn't? Because that is when the talent level at UT started to decline, that is when the other SEC East teams began their climb, we passed them on their way up as we were on our way down!

Luckily for us this game is cylindrical and every team that goes up will eventually go back down and every team that goes down will eventually go back up. Had Fulmer worked hard in 2000-2005 he might have been able to keep his run going longer. Saban is said to be one of the hardest working coaches out there, does he need to? Would recruits not come to him anyway? You combine him slacking off work, with a couple upset losses (like our Miss St game and the LSU game in SEC Title games) and missing on a few players......the end would begin.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
This is where you have to get outside your little mind and think before you type! You are not in the meeting rooms, you are not in practice, you do not know what they come up with as far as an offense, defense, or schemes that can work with the current players ability?

What kind of offense would you like for them to run given the way JG has played this year? He had time to throw this year so it is not on the Oline. He had time during the FL game and missed WIDE OPEN receivers by 10 to 15 yards. How is that the OC's fault? Do you think the plan was for him to miss wood-anderson by 15 yards on the wrong side of his body?

How is it the coaches fault when Warrior gets toasted every other play? Do you think they have not devised a scheme where he covers those guys running open down the field? How many 15 yard penalties did we get? Was the late hit in the middle of the field Tee Martin's fault? NO it is on the players. They are told to play with discipline, they are taught how not to react to things like that, they either dont listen or cant control their actions. None of that is on the coaches.

maybe, just maybe, if you would open your mind to the idea that the coaches are doing their jobs, the players are not. If the coaches said during a press conference, and it has happened lately, that the players are not playing to their ability, you would blow a gasket for the coaches rolling players under the bus. "CJP dont have the players back" is all we would hear. Remember it has happened lately so we already know how that story plays out. So now our coaches dont do that and you assume they are incompetent and lack the ability to game plan around ability. Typical though...sit on the fence so you can say "i told ya" no matter the outcome.
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If I'm a family practice doctor with no idea how to do surgery but the hospital administrator keeps scheduling me to do surgeries, it's his fault. JG keeps getting trotted out there when it's blatantly obvious to everyone what will happen when he does. If the administrator hasn't hired any competent surgeons, that too is his fault. There should be no way we don't have a QB better than JG on the roster.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
If I'm a family practice doctor with no idea how to do surgery but the hospital administrator keeps scheduling me to do surgeries, it's his fault. JG keeps getting trotted out there when it's blatantly obvious to everyone what will happen when he does. If the administrator hasn't hired any competent surgeons, that too is his fault. There should be no way we don't have a QB better than JG on the roster.
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Well chico, if you are the only DR in the building and have had 3 years to learn surgery then maybe, just maybe you have a learning disability but since there are no other options........
 
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piratelifeforme said:
Well chico, if you are the only DR in the building and have had 3 years to learn surgery then maybe, just maybe you have a learning disability but since there are no other options........
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Who is responsible for there being no other options? Not JG, that's for sure. JP, that is for sure.
 
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It should not matter who’s recruits they are. These players have been playing football since elementary and middle school. They know how to play. Most of them came from HS teams that competed for state championships on a yearly basis. They know how to win. They got offers from D1 schools so they had to have shown something at some point.
They may not be elite or may not even be the best, but they are very much serviceable. A good coach should have no problem winning at least half of the games, and even stealing a couple here and there with this team.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
At least until the upperclassmen are gone. The risk of losing playing time should be obvious to players. Those who work the hardest, prepare the best, and perform the best will play regardless of their age. If there are players creating these “alliances” (as if it is some realty tv show), then they need to be shown the door. This season is a loss anyway, so let’s complete the transition away from the players who do not want to work hard or do not want to play for the current coaches.
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This is how it should be. From what we have seen I’m starting to think that Pruitt is showing favoritism towards his recruits and sees most of the Butch recruits as damaged goods that need to be replaced.

The play before the end zone interception a perfect play was called. JG had a wide open TE but for some reason Gray was put in at RB. Gray has shown he can’t pass block. He was late and completely missed his block which resulted in the pass being knocked down. Guys on the team know Gray is a good runner but bad pass blocker. Then they see an upper classmen pulled for a play that needed a good pass blocker and replaced with a freshman.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Who is responsible for there being no other options? Not JG, that's for sure. JP, that is for sure.
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well lets see, the other options have only thrown 7 passes in their career. Do you think it might be a bit early for them? Dont compare them to other freshmen out there playing because those freshman are playing behind GREAT Olines and with a defense that does not allow scores every time they are on the field. I am not a JG supporter at all, I think the guy is the reason we suck, but the other 2 are not any better and I would rather them be healthy for later on this year and next. All there is to hope for is the Bailey kid is good and we can get a few more OIinemen.
 
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The point would be if Pruitt's players are better or more talented than what is left of Jones get them all in there to play and move Jones players to the bench. At this point if you don't know which players are playing well and which ones are not then your a terrible coach. That is what film review is for to pick out the bad players and give someone else a chance. I can pick out one to begin it all JG to bench Maurer to QB.
 
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YorkVol said:
Can anyone tell me what type of player would be a "Pruitt player?" Other than the obvious that they were recruited by Bama so therefore I want them too...
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Over 6ft tall DB that has a high football IQ and is fast likes to hit and motivate his teammate's a fast sideline to sideline LB that could line at any lb spot a fast SS that loves to hit and has a nose for the football.
 
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If the programs success is dependent on Pruitt bringing in " his players" then Cornbread has screwed the pooch by regressing over the last six games. I imagine at this point barring a miracle turn around the quality of players he lands in year two will be similar to what we have now. So it will be dependent on X's and O's not Jimmy's and Joe's.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
well lets see, the other options have only thrown 7 passes in their career. Do you think it might be a bit early for them? Dont compare them to other freshmen out there playing because those freshman are playing behind GREAT Olines and with a defense that does not allow scores every time they are on the field. I am not a JG supporter at all, I think the guy is the reason we suck, but the other 2 are not any better and I would rather them be healthy for later on this year and next. All there is to hope for is the Bailey kid is good and we can get a few more OIinemen.
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100 percent of everything you said is 100 percent on Pruitt. He's the one that chose not to play them earlier when it's clear JG isn't a functional football player. If those two aren't good enough, they shouldn't be on the roster and he should have gotten a grad transfer in here. But yes, it actually is valid to compare them to other freshmen who are succeeding. Florida has a terrible OL too, their guy hadn't started a football game since he was a freshman in high school. He looked 100,000 times better than anyone we fielded.

North Carolina lost their best offensive linemen to the NFL and their second best to medical retirement. 3 of their 5 linemen had 1 combined start coming into the season. They also overhauled their offensive with a completely new coaching staff and philosophy. They started a freshman QB and he beat Miami and South Carolina already. Of course Brown knew enough to not be stuck in the past and brought in a Mike Leach/Air raid type OC, which makes things easier for quarterbacks. There are many other examples out there of new QBs or freshmen doing well enough.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
100 percent of everything you said is 100 percent on Pruitt. He's the one that chose not to play them earlier when it's clear JG isn't a functional football player. If those two aren't good enough, they shouldn't be on the roster and he should have gotten a grad transfer in here. But yes, it actually is valid to compare them to other freshmen who are succeeding. Florida has a terrible OL too, their guy hadn't started a football game since he was a freshman in high school. He looked 100,000 times better than anyone we fielded.

North Carolina lost their best offensive linemen to the NFL and their second best to medical retirement. 3 of their 5 linemen had 1 combined start coming into the season. They also overhauled their offensive with a completely new coaching staff and philosophy. They started a freshman QB and he beat Miami and South Carolina already. Of course Brown knew enough to not be stuck in the past and brought in a Mike Leach/Air raid type OC, which makes things easier for quarterbacks. There are many other examples out there of new QBs or freshmen doing well enough.
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Funny you mentioned UNC, didn't they get beat by Wake Forest and Appy state over the last 2 weeks? South Carolina looks amazing this year dont they?!! LOL And Miami.....WOW they are amazing as well with that blowout win against Bethune Cookman......I am not sure how they did that. There is a huge difference between being able to run an air raid offense in the ACC verses being able to do it in the SEC. Even when UF and Spurrier was throwing it all over the field, they did not win when they were out rushed! let that sink in for a few.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
Funny you mentioned UNC, didn't they get beat by Wake Forest and Appy state over the last 2 weeks? South Carolina looks amazing this year dont they?!! LOL And Miami.....WOW they are amazing as well with that blowout win against Bethune Cookman......I am not sure how they did that. There is a huge difference between being able to run an air raid offense in the ACC verses being able to do it in the SEC. Even when UF and Spurrier was throwing it all over the field, they did not win when they were out rushed! let that sink in for a few.
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Tennessee would lose to UNC by 3 touchdowns if they played tomorrow.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
If I'm a family practice doctor with no idea how to do surgery but the hospital administrator keeps scheduling me to do surgeries, it's his fault. JG keeps getting trotted out there when it's blatantly obvious to everyone what will happen when he does. If the administrator hasn't hired any competent surgeons, that too is his fault. There should be no way we don't have a QB better than JG on the roster.
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Amen
 
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