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#77
#77
MikeVol44 said:
At the end of the day--that's all that I'm saying.....these guys have to own their performances on the field....it's not from lack of effort....the UGLY TRUTH is that our players are just not very good.....

I haven't seen this lack of talent across the board for a SEC team since Lou Holtz took over USCe back in 1999. It truly is that bad.

No one wants to hear it....but it's just flat out TRUE.....
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The question becomes, why aren't they that good? Why at game 9 are they as bad, or worse than game 1?

Did every other team recruiting them miss on their evaluation? Did every recruiting service miss? Is a year with the team too short a time to get anyone to improve at all?

Did Urban Meyer misjudge it that badly when he offered Micah Abernathy and Daniel Bituli?

Callaway was offered by Florida, Notre Dame, Auburn, Miami, FSU etc. They all miss?

Saban offered Ryan Johnson, did Saban dodge a bullet?

The list goes on and on. It stretches belief that the services and these coaches just happened to miss on the players that committed here. We came into the season behind only Georgia with 4/5 star players on the roster. They simply haven't prospered under any of their coaches yet. I'd hoped that maybe they would show growth under this coach, but so far they've not. Even basic fundamentals are a crap shoot at best. The 7 false starts last week killed us, as did the dumb personal fouls. This week the OL looks like they received matador coaching rather than being taught blocking technique. Something is going wrong somewhere and I don't believe it's the raw ability of the players.

I've been to practices at every level of football, including the NFL. At each one from Middle School to the NFL position coaches have worked fundamentals and technique with their players at some point during practice. It never ends. You practice everything to make sure it's perfect on game day. I sometimes believe people think practice is made up of scrimmages every day.
 
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KBVol said:
Instant gratification? For Tennessee fans? Dude, we’re going on 2 decades since Tennessee has been worth an ish, and there’s no sign, zero sign that it’s getting better anytime soon. Not Pruitt’s fault, but he’s gonna catch some of the frustration, especially when he puts a team out there that looks like it looked today. Being a Tennessee fan is a miserable, loathsome existence on Saturdays in the fall for a long, long time now. Let’s not act like fans are being unreasonable and impatient here.
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Our 2001, 2003, 2006, and 2007 teams were pretty good....especially that 2001 team....

We haven't fielded a team this pathetic--talentwise across the board--since the 1970s.....not even the '86 or '88 Vols were this pathetic talent-wise.

15 years of CRAP collecting here on the HILL in the cesspool and you EXPECT CJP to clean it up in less than 1 season...PURE STUPIDITY and just plain 'ol IMMATURE!

So....yessir.....YOU'RE BEING IMPATIENT WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE!!!

Grow the hell up!
 
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VolArmy74 said:
The question becomes, why aren't they that good? Why at game 9 are they as bad, or worse than game 1?

Did every other team recruiting them miss on their evaluation? Did every recruiting service miss? Is a year with the team too short a time to get anyone to improve at all?

Did Urban Meyer misjudge it that badly when he offered Micah Abernathy and Daniel Bituli?

Callaway was offered by Florida, Notre Dame, Auburn, Miami, FSU etc. They all miss?

Saban offered Ryan Johnson, did Saban dodge a bullet?

The list goes on and on. It stretches belief that the services and these coaches just happened to miss on the players that committed here. We came into the season behind only Georgia with 4/5 star players on the roster. They simply haven't prospered under any of their coaches yet. I'd hoped that maybe they would show growth under this coach, but so far they've not. Even basic fundamentals are a crap shoot at best. The 7 false starts last week killed us, as did the dumb personal fouls. This week the OL looks like they received matador coaching rather than being taught blocking technique. Something is going wrong somewhere and I don't believe it's the raw ability of the players.

I've been to practices at every level of football, including the NFL. At each one from Middle School to the NFL position coaches have worked fundamentals and technique with their players at some point during practice. It never ends. You practice everything to make sure it's perfect on game day. I sometimes believe people think practice is made up of scrimmages every day.
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Right--I get it......we've got comparable talent via rating services on the field so we should be competing better on the field....

So--it's completely LOGICAL to take out all of your anger on the COACH who has spent the LEAST AMOUNT of TIME over the last 3 years with 60 of the 85 players on the field--TOTALLY RATIONAL!

Darn, sir....you MUST be a Wal-MART customer.....
 
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Freak said:
Ah. Gotcha. Size would be interesting. But strength would be a big factor too. I watched the game and didn’t think we looked physically dominant at any point.
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Last week our Defense couldn't win their 1 on 1 matchups against USCe's OL....this week they did....
Last week our OL won their 1 on 1 blocking assignments....this week they didn't....and we didn't attack UNCC the same way we did USCe.....
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Right--I get it......we've got comparable talent via rating services on the field so we should be competing better on the field....

So--it's completely LOGICAL to take out all of your anger on the COACH who has spent the LEAST AMOUNT of TIME over the last 3 years with 60 of the 85 players on the field--TOTALLY RATIONAL!
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Once again, it wasn't just recruiting services who thought our players were good. It was Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Mark Richt, Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, etc who also offered them scholarships.

It's not logical to claim we're throwing trash on the field especially compared to Charlotte. At some point a coach needs to make his players better. These are his players too. The second he took the job last year they became his players. Maybe he should have spent a little more time evaluating what he could do to make the team better when he took the job. But he spent several weeks busy working for Alabama during that time.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Did CBJ's rah rah rhetoric inspire you to be a champion of life? I guess you just don't have a 5-star heart....

It's a 3-4 year process to get his own players......people who live for instant gratification are almost never inspired by anything and habitual complainers about everything..... sound familiar?
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I would like the instant gratification of scoring more than one offensive TD against a halfling 5 year old CUSA doormat. Yes.
 
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Fans have been waiting 11 years since last SEC championship game appearance...20 years since last SEC championship. It's been 12 years since we beat Alabama, Florida has beaten the Vols 15 out of the last 19 times we've played. The fans still show up. The problem is definitely not expecting instant gratification.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Once again, it wasn't just recruiting services who thought our players were good. It was Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Mark Richt, Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, etc who also offered them scholarships.

It's not logical to claim we're throwing trash on the field especially compared to Charlotte. At some point a coach needs to make his players better. These are his players too. The second he took the job last year they became his players. Maybe he should have spent a little more time evaluating what he could do to make the team better when he took the job. But he spent several weeks busy working for Alabama during that time.
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You do know that there's a difference in the kind of offers made to players....It's obvious that you just don't understand that fact.

Not every OFFER made to a player is a "committable" offer....

Those coaches make offers early in the process and back off on a player later.....

Cade Mays had a committable offer to UGA and took it as opposed to committing to BUTCH JONES....
Tee Higgins had a committable offer from CLEMSON and took it as opposed to committing to BUTCH JONES....

How many have we lost from Tenn. to LSU, BAMA, Ole Sis, etc.....We've had to take the leftovers...and that's what CJP has inherited for the most part.

It's ain't rocket science, sir.....MAYS could've really helped this team--as well as Tee Higgins right now.....

Barnett would've NEVER committed to UT if James Franklin would've remained at VANDY....

Face it--when it has come down to OL--CBJ and crew whiffed big-time except for Smith. (Would've liked to see how good Hall could've been without his injuries).

Khalil MacKenzie---what a darn flop of a recruit.....

And I shouldn't have to say anything to make these obvious points....just spend about 30 minutes watching the film from our games this year....

Heck fire, sir....watch Fla's FIRST OFFENSIVE play of our game and watch BITULI whiff on the tackle, Phillips get turned inside and driven 5 yards off the ball, and 34 Kirkland never REACT to the play and get blocked out of it by a 190 lb receiver for Fla....
 
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@Freak

2003 - L to Clemson in the Peach Bowl 27-14. 38 rushing yards, 422 total.

2004 - L to Auburn 34-10. 107 rushing yards, 293 total.
- L to Notre Dame 17-13. 58 rushing yards, 327 total.

2005 - L to Florida 16-7. 66 rushing yards, 216 total.
- L to UGA 27-14. 48 rushing, 358 total.
- L to Bama 6-3. 109 rush, 253 total.
- L to SC 16-15. 172 rush, 271 total.

2006 - L to Penn St. 83 rush yards, 350 total.

2008 - L to Wyoming 13-7. 101 rush yards, 219 total.
- L to SC 27-6. 34 rush yards, 207 total.
- L to Bama 29-9. 36 rush yards, 173 total.

2009 - L to Bama 12-10. 74 rush, 339 total.
- L to VT 37-14. 5 rushing yards, 240 total.

2010 - L to UGA 41-14. 9 rushing yards, 269 total.

2011 - L to UGA 20-12. 21 rushing yards, 269 total.
- L to SC 14-3. 35 rushing yards, 186 total.
- L to KY 10-7. 61 rushing, 276 total.

2012 - L to Bama 44-13. 79 rush yards, 282 total.

2014 - L to UF 10-9. 28 rush yards, 233 total.
- L to Miss 34-3. 0 rushing yards, 191 total.

2016 - L to Bama 49-10. 32 rushing yards, 163 total.

2017 - L to UGA 41-0. 62 rushing yards. 142 total.
- L to Bama 45-7. 64 rushing yards, 108 total.
- L to LSU 30-10. 44 rushing yards, 293 total.


In short, 0 rushing yards to Ole Miss in 2014 is just terrible. However, that was against Ole Miss....not Charlotte. All of these games are against top opponents, and the closest I could find to comparable stats to todays game.

I'm not sure we've ever won a game when only rushing for 20 yards. It was a struggle to even find a game where we only ran for 20 yards.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
Fans have been waiting 11 years since last SEC championship game appearance...20 years since last SEC championship. It's been 12 years since we beat Alabama, Florida has beaten the Vols 15 out of the last 19 times we've played. The fans still show up. The problem is definitely not expecting instant gratification.
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Well--yes it certainly is....becasue all of you keep taking out your frustrations on CJP--when he's been here less than 1 year and was responsible for NOTHING HERE over the last 11 years!!! Maybe you're right--it isn't an obsession with instant gratification....maybe it's just plain 'ol stupidity.
 
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I hated the Butch Jones hire from Day 1. Go back and look. I wasn't happy about the Pruitt hire until his press conference. I felt like he would be able to finally turn it around...but after your boys Lyle and Derek, I'm a bit hesitant to get my hopes up. I figured we would be about how we are.
 
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VolAllen said:
@Freak

2003 - L to Clemson in the Peach Bowl 27-14. 38 rushing yards, 422 total.

2004 - L to Auburn 34-10. 107 rushing yards, 293 total.
- L to Notre Dame 17-13. 58 rushing yards, 327 total.

2005 - L to Florida 16-7. 66 rushing yards, 216 total.
- L to UGA 27-14. 48 rushing, 358 total.
- L to Bama 6-3. 109 rush, 253 total.
- L to SC 16-15. 172 rush, 271 total.

2006 - L to Penn St. 83 rush yards, 350 total.

2008 - L to Wyoming 13-7. 101 rush yards, 219 total.
- L to SC 27-6. 34 rush yards, 207 total.
- L to Bama 29-9. 36 rush yards, 173 total.

2009 - L to Bama 12-10. 74 rush, 339 total.
- L to VT 37-14. 5 rushing yards, 240 total.

2010 - L to UGA 41-14. 9 rushing yards, 269 total.

2011 - L to UGA 20-12. 21 rushing yards, 269 total.
- L to SC 14-3. 35 rushing yards, 186 total.
- L to KY 10-7. 61 rushing, 276 total.

2012 - L to Bama 44-13. 79 rush yards, 282 total.

2014 - L to UF 10-9. 28 rush yards, 233 total.
- L to Miss 34-3. 0 rushing yards, 191 total.

2016 - L to Bama 49-10. 32 rushing yards, 163 total.

2017 - L to UGA 41-0. 62 rushing yards. 142 total.
- L to Bama 45-7. 64 rushing yards, 108 total.
- L to LSU 30-10. 44 rushing yards, 293 total.


In short, 0 rushing yards to Ole Miss in 2014 is just terrible. However, that was against Ole Miss....not Charlotte. All of these games are against top opponents, and the closest I could find to comparable stats to todays game.

I'm not sure we've ever won a game when only rushing for 20 yards. It was a struggle to even find a game where we only ran for 20 yards.
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And I'm absolutely sure that NONE of those teams were anywhere close to being as deficient in talent as this team is.
 
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VolAllen said:
@Freak

2003 - L to Clemson in the Peach Bowl 27-14. 38 rushing yards, 422 total.

2004 - L to Auburn 34-10. 107 rushing yards, 293 total.
- L to Notre Dame 17-13. 58 rushing yards, 327 total.

2005 - L to Florida 16-7. 66 rushing yards, 216 total.
- L to UGA 27-14. 48 rushing, 358 total.
- L to Bama 6-3. 109 rush, 253 total.
- L to SC 16-15. 172 rush, 271 total.

2006 - L to Penn St. 83 rush yards, 350 total.

2008 - L to Wyoming 13-7. 101 rush yards, 219 total.
- L to SC 27-6. 34 rush yards, 207 total.
- L to Bama 29-9. 36 rush yards, 173 total.

2009 - L to Bama 12-10. 74 rush, 339 total.
- L to VT 37-14. 5 rushing yards, 240 total.

2010 - L to UGA 41-14. 9 rushing yards, 269 total.

2011 - L to UGA 20-12. 21 rushing yards, 269 total.
- L to SC 14-3. 35 rushing yards, 186 total.
- L to KY 10-7. 61 rushing, 276 total.

2012 - L to Bama 44-13. 79 rush yards, 282 total.

2014 - L to UF 10-9. 28 rush yards, 233 total.
- L to Miss 34-3. 0 rushing yards, 191 total.

2016 - L to Bama 49-10. 32 rushing yards, 163 total.

2017 - L to UGA 41-0. 62 rushing yards. 142 total.
- L to Bama 45-7. 64 rushing yards, 108 total.
- L to LSU 30-10. 44 rushing yards, 293 total.


In short, 0 rushing yards to Ole Miss in 2014 is just terrible. However, that was against Ole Miss....not Charlotte. All of these games are against top opponents, and the closest I could find to comparable stats to todays game.

I'm not sure we've ever won a game when only rushing for 20 yards. It was a struggle to even find a game where we only ran for 20 yards.
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Just making a comment. There also is not a win in the whole post.
 
#93
#93
KeyVol14 said:
Fulmer said during the spring game it’s going to take a few years to get to bring in GA and Bama type of players in
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Sure, at best. It may be more likec 3-5 in this case. CBJ, the uneducated intern, is now understanding there are areas you don't skimp when building a contender in the SEC. And therefore a contender in any league. Any line, whether it be OL or DL isn't one you shotchange. After that things fall where they may. But weakness in either or both will show up in 60 min of football. It's that simple and I guess it's that hard.
 
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Sorry but for Saban the light went on at some point early on, not to mention he landed in the right spot later on, maybe through personal decision making. I say that because he is a failed NFL coach in between, his personal philosophy failed miserably at that level, or at the very least he gave up. In fact it may/will never work at that "higher" level. But at the NCAA level it's practically infallible. That said he chose wisely at the collegiate level, I'd argue he had to, and kudos to him for doing so. But lest we forget he is a failed NFL coach. Think about it. I see some of the same characteristics in CJP. Not saying it'll happen, but hey we can hope.
 
#95
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Freak said:
You watched the game. Did they look physically superior to you?
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I read several posts that compared Charlotte to a high school / JUCO team.. But when comparing them UT just from their size.. I actually thought UT looked smaller in some positions..
 
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Freak said:
No but it might be interesting to some of us.
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51 Drew Richmond OL R-Jr. 6-5 316
57 Nathan Niehaus OL R-So. 6-6 287
58 Jahmir Johnson OL R-So. 6-5 285
68 Marcus Tatum OL R-So. 6-6 293
70 Ryan Johnson OL R-So. 6-6 302

Fain, Tyler 62 DL 6-4 289
Harris, Tyriq. 10 DE 6-3 232
Highsmith, Alex 5 DE 6-3 235
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